bookmaker & justbet graded my trump/biden ticket a loss before swearing-in ceremony

[BAC]

Hello, I wager about $30,000 on bookmaker & justbet for Trump to win 2020 election. However, I log into my account today and saw both of my bet is a loss.

bookmaker & justbet rule for 2020 election

"Politics / Elections

IMPORTANT NOTICE! All bets for the 2020US Elections are 'All-in' wagers and will stand no matter when the election actually takes place. Should the elections be postponed, bets will still have action, regardless of how long they are postponed.

For bets on head to head vote totals, primary races, or any other market which does NOT directly result in a candidate securing a position in an office, the official results will be based upon those published by at the following site:

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/electionresults.shtml*

*Applies to elections held within the United States only. For races in other countries, wager settlement will be based on results from official government websites (in the case of any discrepancy, JustBet will decide which site will be used for grading purposes).

For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony.

Once lines are posted, all bets will have action even if the candidate withdrawals from a race early."

bookmaker ticket

https://imgur.com/PjbpB9W

bookmaker 2020 election rule

https://imgur.com/MTbGkJ6

justbet ticket

https://imgur.com/fm7ouGo

justbet 2020 election rule

https://imgur.com/xM5GS7n

I spoke with customer service and this is what happened.

"You are being transferred to an agent
You are now connected to Jess.
You - 11:19 AM
hi can you take a look at this Ticket #468568961
Jess - 11:20 AM
Welcome to our Wagering Live Chat Department. My name is Jess. How may I be of assistance?
Will you please confirm your 6-digitPIN code? Thanks.
You - 11:20 AM
*******
the election is not confirmed
Jess - 11:21 AM
Let me check on the ticket, please hold a few minutes.
The report has been made to my supervisor, so it can be addressed to the department in charge. I apologize for the inconvenience, but you will have to try back in awhile.
You - 11:23 AM
yes please
the ticket should be in pending
Jess - 11:25 AM
I am sorry, but the tickets are final. They have been graded.
You - 11:25 AM
where did you get the result?
"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."
this is the rule in your sportsbook
swearing-in ceremony is Jan 20, 2021
Jess - 11:28 AM
For bets on head to head vote totals, primary races, or any other market which does NOT directly result in a candidate securing a position in an office, the official results will be based upon those published by at the following site:
https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml*
*Applies to elections held within the United States only. For races in other countries, wager settlement will be based on results from official government websites.
You - 11:29 AM
exactly
the result for 2020 is not in
Jess - 11:31 AM
The results are final sir.
May I help you with anything else?"

The result on https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/electionresults.shtml * is not confirmed for 2020 election and bookmaker & justbet graded my wager a loss?

Bookmaker/Justbet clearly stated on their election rule
"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

[hank_kingsley]

It's called reality. Look into it sometime.

[Seattle Slew]

The swearing-in part is not relevant, the props are "winning the election." If something happens to Biden before Jan. 20, his bets are still a winner because he won the election. It doesn't say in the bets "person to be sworn-in."

[BAC]

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml

doesn't have the 2020 result yet, so bookmaker/justbet can't determine the outcome

[BAC]

sbr moderator please help me contact bookmaker/justbet and asked them the result for 2020 election is not in

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml

both of my ticket should still be in pending until swearing-in ceremony

[BAC]

The swearing-in part is not relevant, the props are "winning the election." If something happens to Biden before Jan. 20, his bets are still a winner because he won the election. It doesn't say in the bets "person to be sworn-in."

https://get.bookmaker.help/hc/en-us/articles/360002278278-Politics-Elections-

"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

this is not a props bet like States prop

[vampire assassin]

If Trump stages a military coup, Biden still won the election. But raise your dispute then.

[BAC]

bookmaker & justbet rely on https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml for election result, and 2020 election result is not in yet

[jjgold]

It’s over

[Pareto]

So you want to have a losing ticket posted as still pending for another month??

Is this a tax issue?

[BAC]

"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

that date is January 20, 2021 and my bet should be in pending not a loss

[Pareto]

But what is your motive for wanting your bet to still be pending?

Is it because you actually think it can still win? Or do you want to defer your losses to next calender year for tax or other reasons?

[BAC]

Yes, Trump winning at the moment and bookmaker and justbet should honored my wager as pending until January 20, 2021 to grade my tickets.

[Pareto]

Take a screenshot of your bets and of bookmaker rules and if Trump gets sworn in again on january 20 then contact Bookmaker.

[BAC]

updated:

I just spoke to customer service again

"15:06, Dec 15
Ray: As per my supervisor, we check several sources, however in regards of the elections if by any chance the outcome changes we will refund every winning bet, but he has to wait till inauguration day.

15:06, Dec 15
You: inauguration day is when, do you know?

15:08, Dec 15
Ray: Inauguration day will be on January 20th, if the outcome changes then the grading team will re graded the ticket if necessary. For the mean time the ticket will remain as it was .

15:08, Dec 15
You: ok

15:08, Dec 15
You: thank you Ray and thank you the supervisor

15:09, Dec 15
You: I will wait till Jan 20

15:09, Dec 15
Ray: My pleasure!"


my conversation with justbet customer service (screenshot)

https://imgur.com/B76906V

[BAC]

Take a screenshot of your bets and of bookmaker rules and if Trump gets sworn in again on january 20 then contact Bookmaker.

thanks pareto

[Optional]

sbr moderator please help me contact bookmaker/justbet and asked them the result for 2020 election is not in

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml

both of my ticket should still be in pending until swearing-in ceremony

Not a chance in the world will I be doing that.


But if you can convince the people in this thread abusing BM and claiming it is fraud that they didn't pay out until now that they are wrong and you are right, I'll do whatever you want.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3631889-books-havent-paid-out-us-election-p9.html

Go...

[Mugsy777]

as always , good job Optional

[Anh Duy]

Hi BAC,
I’m on the same boat with you tho ! My 6k7$ tickets on Trump just got reported as LOSS today on Bookmaker.eu website.
I have not contacted them to dispute it yet. But I will do it tomorrow. Please keep it updated! Thank you

[BAC]

@Duy, dispute it and make them confirm that they will re-grade your trump ticket if the 2020 election result overturn by jan 20, 2021 and screenshot your conversation and ticket.

[Roger T. Bannon]

Not a chance in the world will I be doing that.

Sometimes Optional and SBR are really no help at all.

[PD77]

Sometimes Optional and SBR are really no help at all.

He will never be confused for a players advocate, on the bright side, at least he didn't tell OP to sit on a stake and twirl.

[Optional]

Oh c'mon. Who here would be crazy enough to take a side in this argument if me?

And that was a fair offer! He sounds pretty certain he is right and they are wrong.

[Alfie White]

That is how flat earth works, yes.

Opinions vs facts, and people with opinions are certain they are correct, so much fun.

[BAC]

@ optional
I never said I was right, and if you truthfully want to help me I thank you.

Before I wager on 2020 election on bookmaker & justbet I read their rules and they have to honored. Their rules clearly stated.

"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

The swearing-in ceremony is January 20, 2021

Bookmaker & Justbet Rules
"Politics / Elections

IMPORTANT NOTICE! All bets for the 2020US Elections are 'All-in' wagers and will stand no matter when the election actually takes place. Should the elections be postponed, bets will still have action, regardless of how long they are postponed.

For bets on head to head vote totals, primary races, or any other market which does NOT directly result in a candidate securing a position in an office, the official results will be based upon those published by at the following site:

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml*

*Applies to elections held within the United States only. For races in other countries, wager settlement will be based on results from official government websites (in the case of any discrepancy, JustBet will decide which site will be used for grading purposes).

For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony.

Once lines are posted, all bets will have action even if the candidate withdrawals from a race early."

[Optional]

It sounds like you had a point and have already sorted out the best possible compromize BAC.

Well done and well handled by you.

[milwaukee mike]

That is how flat earth works, yes.

Opinions vs facts, and people with opinions are certain they are correct, so much fun.

more like open mind vs closed mind... people ridiculing others for seeing that there are endless possibilities are the ones certain they are correct, and too blind to see their own ignorance

[Dank_Fire]

I like how you quizzed that guy on live chat if he knew when the inauguration day was, haha your best bet is if Sydney Powell is their official source

[HedgeHog]

Hello, I wager about $30,000 on bookmaker & justbet for Trump to win 2020 election. However, I log into my account today and saw both of my bet is a loss.

bookmaker & justbet rule for 2020 election

"Politics / Elections

IMPORTANT NOTICE! All bets for the 2020US Elections are 'All-in' wagers and will stand no matter when the election actually takes place. Should the elections be postponed, bets will still have action, regardless of how long they are postponed.

For bets on head to head vote totals, primary races, or any other market which does NOT directly result in a candidate securing a position in an office, the official results will be based upon those published by at the following site:

https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/electionresults.shtml*

*Applies to elections held within the United States only. For races in other countries, wager settlement will be based on results from official government websites (in the case of any discrepancy, JustBet will decide which site will be used for grading purposes).

For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony.

Once lines are posted, all bets will have action even if the candidate withdrawals from a race early."

bookmaker ticket

https://imgur.com/PjbpB9W

bookmaker 2020 election rule

https://imgur.com/MTbGkJ6

justbet ticket

https://imgur.com/fm7ouGo

justbet 2020 election rule

https://imgur.com/xM5GS7n

I spoke with customer service and this is what happened.

"You are being transferred to an agent
You are now connected to Jess.
You - 11:19 AM
hi can you take a look at this Ticket #468568961
Jess - 11:20 AM
Welcome to our Wagering Live Chat Department. My name is Jess. How may I be of assistance?
Will you please confirm your 6-digitPIN code? Thanks.
You - 11:20 AM
*******
the election is not confirmed
Jess - 11:21 AM
Let me check on the ticket, please hold a few minutes.
The report has been made to my supervisor, so it can be addressed to the department in charge. I apologize for the inconvenience, but you will have to try back in awhile.
You - 11:23 AM
yes please
the ticket should be in pending
Jess - 11:25 AM
I am sorry, but the tickets are final. They have been graded.
You - 11:25 AM
where did you get the result?
"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."
this is the rule in your sportsbook
swearing-in ceremony is Jan 20, 2021
Jess - 11:28 AM
For bets on head to head vote totals, primary races, or any other market which does NOT directly result in a candidate securing a position in an office, the official results will be based upon those published by at the following site:
https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/el...results.shtml*
*Applies to elections held within the United States only. For races in other countries, wager settlement will be based on results from official government websites.
You - 11:29 AM
exactly
the result for 2020 is not in
Jess - 11:31 AM
The results are final sir.
May I help you with anything else?"

The result on https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/electionresults.shtml * is not confirmed for 2020 election and bookmaker & justbet graded my wager a loss?

Bookmaker/Justbet clearly stated on their election rule
"For bets on a candidate to win an office, all bets will be graded at the time of the winner’s swearing-in ceremony."

LOL, if Biden had lost and pulled this same BS, you'd be bitching about your winning ticket not being graded. Stop being a pussy, you lost your Trump bet a month ago.

[BAC]

@HedgeHog

biden win? sources??

[HedgeHog]

@HedgeHog

biden win? sources??

Seriously, do you pull this nonsense with all your losing sports bets too? Do you want a recount on the points scored by the Jets on Sunday? Were there TD's they scored that were not counted?

[BAC]

sports & politic are different

I'm just asking which sources you use to determine if trump loss and your opinion is not a source

[TheGuesser]

@HedgeHog

biden win? sources??

https://apnews.com/article/electoral-college-confirm-joe-biden-win-2d4fd7368d8fd6cb47ff0b2cc206271a

Electoral College makes it official: Biden won, Trump lost


By MARK SHERMANDecember 15, 2020

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Electoral College decisively confirmed Joe Biden as the nation’s next president, ratifying his November victory in an authoritative state-by-state repudiation of President Donald Trump’s refusal to concede he had lost.
The presidential electors on Monday gave Biden a solid majority of 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232, the same margin that Trump bragged was a landslide when he won the White House four years ago.

[BAC]

you have sources from .gov ?

because the media doesn't decided who the president is

[TheGuesser]

you have sources from .gov ?

because the media doesn't decided who the president is

The Electoral College does(unfortunately, hope that changes), and they have spoken.
But actually I'm on your side. How Bookmaker worded the bet, they shouldn't have paid it out until Jan 20th. They are doing a solid for the winners. For loser tickets like you hold, it doesn't really matter when they grade it a loser, today or Jan 20th, it's still a loser. But for consistency purposes they should wait until Jan 20th. I have a Kamala as next POTUS ticket with Bookmaker that they graded a loser on election day. If G-d forbid Biden gets sick and can't serve between now and then, she'll be inaugurated and will be the winner and I'll be revisiting that with Bookmaker.