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[raiders72001]

What a load of crap, you say that the places that are "provably fair" means there's "no cheating", the fact is that they're cheating you already simply by the pure mechanics of the games in the first place you idiot. The fact is that no outside intervention to cheat on a casino's part is needed, as casino games by their very nature are already cheating you for goodness sake, they are a con, and they are rigged in the first place by the very fact that you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, and if you can't see that, then you're completely deluded.

All "provably fair" and all the rest of that crap is saying is that they don't use any additional cheating or rigging of the game to take any more than their house edge, but them just taking their house edge with no additional cheating or anything on top already means you are guaranteed to lose in the long term in the first place, so whether it's "provably fair" or not doesn't matter whatsoever, as you're already being cheated and rigged against in the first place by the very nature of these games meaning you are guaranteed to lose in the long term.

So don't delude yourself into thinking "provably fair" means that these games are somehow "fair" in any way, shape or form whatsoever, as any game where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term with no skill or knowledge that can overcome that, no game of that nature can ever have the word "fair" legitimately associated with it whatsoever, as it's not a fair game, it's a rigged game, plain and simple, and it's only absolutely complete and utter idiots that play such games that you are absolutely guaranteed to lose on in the long term.

And whatever slots you're talking about in Vegas, you're talking complete rubbish. Every single casino game and similar guaranteed loss gambling game is minus expected value, which should actually be expressed with casinos and other forms of guaranteed loss gambling as minus guaranteed value, as it's not that with casino games you are expected to lose in the long term, you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, so minus guaranteed value is the term to use for those games.

There is not a single game in a casino that is plus expected value, as every single game you play in a casino and all the rest of it are guaranteed for you to lose in the long term, it's as simple as that, so your talk of some slots in Vegas being plus expected value is obviously simply a complete load of crap.

This is the definition of "provably fair".

In online gamblingprovably fair describes an algorithm which can be analyzed and verified for fairness on the part of the service operator.^[1] Provably fair algorithms are often used in the operation of an online casino.
In a provably fair gambling system, a player places bets on games offered by the service operator. The service operator will publish a method for verifying each transaction in the game. This is usually by using open source algorithms for random seed generation, hashing, and for the random number generator

Read some on Diamond Mine and Cherry Pie. They are banking slots where the player can get an advantage. There are many more. Fishhead knows a lot more on the subject than I do. Maybe he can jump in here to explain it. He was part of a professional slot team at one time.

I'm not sure if banking slots are made anymore, but the machines do exist.

[raiders72001]

"Provably fair" doesn't mean that you have an advantage.

[raiders72001]

Banking slots

Getting an Edge

Three More Great Advantage-Play Slots

By Frank Scoblete


If you follow the rules completely, the game will never be positive after you collect the bonus because at least one section of the new pie will have no cherries in it, therefore requiring six cherries to fill that section. Since the game is not positive until only five cherries are required to fill the pie, do not continue playing this game after collecting the bonus.

Last issue I gave you three advantage-play slots. These are slots where the player can get an actual edge over the casino when played correctly. You must play these slots exactly as written. I must thank Jerry “Stickman” Stich for the tremendous research he did finding these machines. Sadly, no advantage-play machines are in Atlantic City. But many can be found in casinos around the country in such areas as Nevada, the Midwest and Mississippi.
These articles are excerpted from my book Slots Conquest: How to Beat the Slot Machines!
Fishin’ for Cash
How it Works: “Fishin’ for Cash” works exactly the same as Double Diamond Mine and Triple Diamond Mine (see last issue) except fish are used instead of diamonds. There are three columns that hold fish. A fish is added to a column when the corresponding reel contains a fish symbol. When a column is filled you collect the bonus. Once you collect the bonus and the column is emptied, you then re-evaluate whether you have an advantage or not.

What to Look For: This game is positive when any of the following is true:

• 1 column contains 9 fish
• 2 columns contain 8 fish each
• 3 columns contain 7 fish each

How to Play: Play one credit per spin until you collect the bonus. This amounts to 25¢ a spin for the standard 25¢ machine.

Bankroll Requirements: Your minimum bankroll must be at least 80 credits. This amounts to $20 for the 25¢ game.

Comments: This game is not very volatile. Games tend to be fairly short. You will tend to win most games and sometimes for a relatively large amount. Losses tend to be fairly small.

Wild Cherry Bonus Pie
How it Works: A “Wild Cherry” symbol in one of the nine visible reel positions (3 rows, 3 reels) adds a cherry to the corresponding section of the pie. Each section requires six cherries to fill it—54 cherries to fill the entire pie. When a section of the pie is already full, the cherries are added to the corresponding section of a “bonus” pie. When the main pie is filled, the player collects a random jackpot (25-250 credits) and a bonus equal to the number of cherries in the bonus pie. The bonus pie then replaces the big pie and the bonus pie is emptied.

What to Look For: This game is positive when five cherries (or fewer than five cherries) are needed to complete the entire pie. They could be needed in one to five different sections. It is the total number of cherries needed that is important.

How to Play: Play one credit per spin until you collect the bonus. This amounts to 25¢ a spin for the standard 25¢ machine. If there are two or more cherries required in each of the unfilled sections, play two credits per spin as you will get two cherries when you land on the needed section. Only bet two credits per spin if each of the unfilled sections requires two or more cherries to fill them.

Bankroll Requirements: Your minimum bankroll must be at least 400 credits. This amounts to $100 for the 25¢ game.

Comments: This game has some volatility. It may take quite some time to fill the pie and collect the bonus. Wins and losses tend to vary considerably. If you follow the rules completely, the game will never be positive after you collect the bonus because at least one section of the new pie will have no cherries in it, therefore requiring six cherries to fill that section. Since the game is not positive until only five cherries are required to fill the pie, do not continue playing this game after collecting the bonus.

Wild Cherry Pie
How it Works: A “Wild Cherry” symbol in one of the nine visible reel positions (3 rows, 3 reels) adds a cherry to the corresponding section of the pie. Each section requires six cherries to fill it, with 54 cherries to fill the entire pie. When the pie is filled, the player collects a random jackpot. The big pie is then reset.

What to Look For: This game is positive when 11 cherries (or fewer) are needed to complete the entire pie. They could be needed in from one to nine different sections. It is the total number of cherries needed that is important.

How to Play: Play one credit per spin until you collect the bonus. This amounts to 25¢ a spin for the standard 25¢ machine. If there are two or more cherries required in each of the unfilled sections, play two credits per spin as you will get two cherries when you land on the needed section. Only bet two credits per spin if all unfilled sections require two or more cherries to fill them. If all unfilled sections of the pie require three or more cherries to be filled, bet three credits per spin.

Bankroll Requirements: Your minimum bankroll must be at least 400 credits. This amounts to $100 for the 25¢ game.

Comments: This game has some volatility. It may take quite some time to fill the pie and collect the bonus. Wins and losses tend to vary considerably. Once you collect the bonus the game is no longer positive. Do not continue to play it.

[luctens]

I never said "provably fair" means you have an advantage, I already said that provably fair means that a casino is only taking their house edge and isn't using any additional cheating or rigging to further put the game in their favour. The issue isn't with whether a casino is provably fair or not, as the very simple thing is that whether a casino is provably fair or cheating or rigging the game further, the point is that these games are fixed for you to be guaranteed to lose in the long term anyway, so when people say that it's a provably fair casino so that means no cheating, that's complete crap, as the pure essence of the games are cheating you in the first place by guaranteeing you to lose in the long term.

So even if a casino is "provably fair" and not doing any additional cheating, you are still being cheated anyway by the mechanics of the game meaning you're guaranteed to lose in the long term. So probably fair or not, it doesn't matter, as these games are already a con, already cheating you, and already rigging you simply by the underlying mechanics and mathematics of the game meaning you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, so provably fair or not, everybody needs to avoid absolutely all casino games and all other forms of guaranteed loss gambling, as you're guaranteed to lose on them in the long term, and only idiots play such games that you're absolutely guaranteed to lose on in the long term.

And about these slot games you're talking about, the casinos only provide slot games that are guaranteed to make them money in the long term and that are guaranteed for the player to lose money in the long term, it's as simple as that. There is simply no way of making money out of any slot games in the long term, plain and simple, as you're absolutely guaranteed to lose on all slot games in the long term, it's as simple as that, so your crap about these slot games is simply that, crap.

[Alfa1234]

Luctens, I can't believe you... The post above yours actually describes the way to get a +EV on those slots and you still managed to just completely dismiss it without actually adressing it. Congrats, you have once again managed to prove you are stuck in your own narrow minded thoughts without being even a tiny amount open to other opinions and facts if they don't correlate with those of your own. Kudos to you.

Thinking you know something =/ always being right.

[luctens]

Luctens, I can't believe you... The post above yours actually describes the way to get a +EV on those slots and you still managed to just completely dismiss it without actually adressing it. Congrats, you have once again managed to prove you are stuck in your own narrow minded thoughts without being even a tiny amount open to other opinions and facts if they don't correlate with those of your own. Kudos to you.

Thinking you know something =/ always being right.

It's obviously complete rubbish to anybody with any common sense. Firstly, if casinos had any slot machines anywhere that could be profited on in the long term, they would throw the slot machines out or re-programme them or whatever, they simply wouldn't let it happen. Secondly, whoever has put these details up on whatever website he put it up on, if he really had found something, he'd have kept it to himself and would simply just be doing it himself going round all the casinos that have these slot machines, but no, he's decided to put it on a website or whatever and make it publicly available. And thirdly, if there were really some slot machines that could be played for long term profit, everybody in these casinos would simply be filling up every one of these machines and raking it in.

So why are the casinos happy to have these slot machines? Why has the guy that wrote this information in the first place not just kept the information to himself and just simply raked it in on these machines? And why after the information was made publicly available isn't everybody fighting over each other to get on these machines and rake it in? The answer to all three of these questions is that it's all obviously a complete load of rubbish. You need to stop being so gullible.

[Alfa1234]

And you need to stop thinking everything you think you know is the absolute thruth. This same principle applies to everything. You know you can beat bookies even though the vast majority of gamblers don't. Why can't you accept the fact a slot machine can be beaten in a similar way by a pro even though the vast majority of it's users doesn't beat it?

You need to stop being so narrow minded and stuck in your ways.

[luctens]

And you need to stop thinking everything you think you know is the absolute thruth. This same principle applies to everything. You know you can beat bookies even though the vast majority of gamblers don't. Why can't you accept the fact a slot machine can be beaten in a similar way by a pro even though the vast majority of it's users doesn't beat it?

You need to stop being so narrow minded and stuck in your ways.

Slot machines obviously can't be "beaten" by anybody in the long term. What a load of crap. Slot games are games of pure chance that are guaranteed for every single player to lose in the long term without skill or knowledge ever being able to override any slot game, so nobody can use any skill or knowledge to "beat" a slot machine in the long term, as they are games of pure chance.

Sports betting is completely different, as it isn't a game of pure chance and allows skill and knowledge to override the margin, and as such, somebody with enough skill and knowledge can win at betting in the long term.

That's the difference, sports betting allows for skill and knowledge to come into play, and therefore players that are good enough can win at sports betting in the long term. But with slot games, it's not a question of being good enough or not, as it doesn't matter how "good" you are or how smart or thick you are or anything with slot games, as every single person has exactly the same chance as each other of winning in the long term at slot games, and that is zero chance, as these are are games of pure chance so they can't be beaten by anybody in the long term.

I'm most definitely not "narrow minded" or "stuck in my ways", what I am is realistic and I take a common sense view, and I most definitely know a load of crap when I hear it. You need to develop some of those qualities yourself, as you're obviously far too gullible and easily taken in like a mug by this stuff you've heard about slot machines, which anybody with any common sense knows is a complete load of nonsense.

[Alfa1234]

*sigh*

On a lighter note, this "discussion" reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2tQl-pmZc

[luctens]

*sigh*

On a lighter note, this "discussion" reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2tQl-pmZc

It so obviously shows you know you're talking rubbish when you try and change the subject from the crap you were spouting out in the first place.

[Alfa1234]

Having a 'discussion' with you is like talking to a 5 year old.

You "Can I go on a rollercoaster please"?
Me "Yes, but only if they allow you to go on. That is, if you're tall enough so the park will let you go on".
You "I'm very tall so I can go, YAY"
Me "I didn't say that, I said you can only go if you're tall enough so they actually let you go on the ride"
You "Yay, I'm tall so I can go on the ride!"
...

I am done Luctens, you never listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you. You reply only to whatever suits your opinion best and ignore everything else, you don't actually discuss, you state an opinion and stick to it and nothing can make you change your mind even when that opinion is refuted by facts. You are narrow minded and I am done trying to broaden your horizon.

[raiders72001]

It's obviously complete rubbish to anybody with any common sense. Firstly, if casinos had any slot machines anywhere that could be profited on in the long term, they would throw the slot machines out or re-programme them or whatever, they simply wouldn't let it happen. Secondly, whoever has put these details up on whatever website he put it up on, if he really had found something, he'd have kept it to himself and would simply just be doing it himself going round all the casinos that have these slot machines, but no, he's decided to put it on a website or whatever and make it publicly available. And thirdly, if there were really some slot machines that could be played for long term profit, everybody in these casinos would simply be filling up every one of these machines and raking it in.

So why are the casinos happy to have these slot machines? Why has the guy that wrote this information in the first place not just kept the information to himself and just simply raked it in on these machines? And why after the information was made publicly available isn't everybody fighting over each other to get on these machines and rake it in? The answer to all three of these questions is that it's all obviously a complete load of rubbish. You need to stop being so gullible.

There are people that beat slots in the long run. They jump in on the machine when there is a positive expectation.

It's the same with a card counter in black jack. He ups the stakes when there is a positive expectation.

[JosephPavs]

[luctens]

Having a 'discussion' with you is like talking to a 5 year old.

You "Can I go on a rollercoaster please"?
Me "Yes, but only if they allow you to go on. That is, if you're tall enough so the park will let you go on".
You "I'm very tall so I can go, YAY"
Me "I didn't say that, I said you can only go if you're tall enough so they actually let you go on the ride"
You "Yay, I'm tall so I can go on the ride!"
...

I am done Luctens, you never listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you. You reply only to whatever suits your opinion best and ignore everything else, you don't actually discuss, you state an opinion and stick to it and nothing can make you change your mind even when that opinion is refuted by facts. You are narrow minded and I am done trying to broaden your horizon.

First you try and change the subject, now you run away altogether. Poor showing.

[evo34]

During your four-month career here, how many threads have you hijacked with off-topic rants on semantics?

[luctens]

During your four-month career here, how many threads have you hijacked with off-topic rants on semantics?

None. Take this thread for example. This thread is about blackjack, and I am clearly stating that blackjack like all other casino games are a complete con as you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, so I am most definitely not talking "off-topic". I wasn't having a "rant" as I am very clearly just stating the facts about these games, and what I am saying is not "semantics", as what I am saying is the most important part about these games, in that it boils down to the very essence of these games, in that they are rigged against you in the first place to guarantee you to lose in the long term, so it's only complete idiots that play on such games where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term.

[raiders72001]

None. Take this thread for example. This thread is about blackjack, and I am clearly stating that blackjack like all other casino games are a complete con as you are guaranteed to lose in the long term, so I am most definitely not talking "off-topic". I wasn't having a "rant" as I am very clearly just stating the facts about these games, and what I am saying is not "semantics", as what I am saying is the most important part about these games, in that it boils down to the very essence of these games, in that they are rigged against you in the first place to guarantee you to lose in the long term, so it's only complete idiots that play on such games where you are absolutely guaranteed to lose in the long term.

Blackjack is just a form of entertainment and the house edge is low.