Should book honor $100 max limit verified by manager and quoted to player?

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  • parlayin
    SBR MVP
    • 11-03-07
    • 1091

    #1
    Should book honor $100 max limit verified by manager and quoted to player?
    I feel I wasn't treated fairly by a reputable book but wanted to get other ppl's thoughts.

    In short, I asked the book to confirm their limits on a futures bet before I deposited. They first quoted a number, then checked with a manager and told me a lower number (max $100) but when I deposited and tried to place the bets, the limits were only $25 and $50. I complained before any games started that I was told something different but was not allowed to play $100 as quoted. The lines were not book errors.

    More detailed version:

    Before the Week 17 NFL games, I went on live chat to ask for the max limits on a Super Bowl matchup future (AFC Team X vs NFC Team Y) at a reputable online book and copied and pasted examples of the bets I wanted. The rep asked how much I wanted and I said between 200 and 500 to be safe. She said it wouldn't be a problem. I asked if she was sure because the limit would determine the amount of my deposit (I also wouldn't go through the effort of depositing if the limit was too low). She asked for my account info and said she would check with a manager and put me on hold. When she came back, she confirmed the max is actually $100 and that I could wager that $100 each time after the book moves the line. Since I only wanted the original lines before they moved and would lose value, I ran out and deposited $200 for two separate bets before the morning games started. I logged in and tried to submit $100 bets but was only able to get down for $50 and $25 each. I logged on to chat again a few minutes before the games started to complain that I was told I could do $100, hoping to get an adjustment before kickoff, but to no avail. This all happened in the 2 hours before the morning games (8 to 10 AM PST) last Sunday. When I later asked to speak to the manager, I was basically told no dice with no explanation.

    I have the chat transcripts with the 2 customer service reps and manager but am not trying to tarnish the name of any book if the people here at SBR feel it wasn't wrong. I will post the transcripts and any other details if appropriate.

    I'd appreciate any thoughts or opinions, thanks.
  • Hareeba!
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 07-01-06
    • 37245

    #2
    Based on what you've said you have been dudded.
    Name and shame.
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    • kmarinouofm
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-26-09
      • 8437

      #3
      i think at the very least the book should adjust your tickets the way you wanted them. You told them exactly what you were doing and have it in writing. if they are old school at all. they will honor this
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      • relaaxx
        SBR MVP
        • 06-15-06
        • 3281

        #4
        sportbooks lie - nothing new - how far do you want to push to get whats do
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        • ronald
          SBR MVP
          • 10-31-05
          • 4918

          #5
          Is this GTBets?
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          • Optional
            Administrator
            • 06-10-10
            • 61502

            #6
            Originally posted by parlayin
            I feel I wasn't treated fairly by a reputable book but wanted to get other ppl's thoughts.

            In short, I asked the book to confirm their limits on a futures bet before I deposited. They first quoted a number, then checked with a manager and told me a lower number (max $100) but when I deposited and tried to place the bets, the limits were only $25 and $50. I complained before any games started that I was told something different but was not allowed to play $100 as quoted. The lines were not book errors.

            More detailed version:

            Before the Week 17 NFL games, I went on live chat to ask for the max limits on a Super Bowl matchup future (AFC Team X vs NFC Team Y) at a reputable online book and copied and pasted examples of the bets I wanted. The rep asked how much I wanted and I said between 200 and 500 to be safe. She said it wouldn't be a problem. I asked if she was sure because the limit would determine the amount of my deposit (I also wouldn't go through the effort of depositing if the limit was too low). She asked for my account info and said she would check with a manager and put me on hold. When she came back, she confirmed the max is actually $100 and that I could wager that $100 each time after the book moves the line. Since I only wanted the original lines before they moved and would lose value, I ran out and deposited $200 for two separate bets before the morning games started. I logged in and tried to submit $100 bets but was only able to get down for $50 and $25 each. I logged on to chat again a few minutes before the games started to complain that I was told I could do $100, hoping to get an adjustment before kickoff, but to no avail. This all happened in the 2 hours before the morning games (8 to 10 AM PST) last Sunday. When I later asked to speak to the manager, I was basically told no dice with no explanation.

            I have the chat transcripts with the 2 customer service reps and manager but am not trying to tarnish the name of any book if the people here at SBR feel it wasn't wrong. I will post the transcripts and any other details if appropriate.

            I'd appreciate any thoughts or opinions, thanks.
            Sounds like a first line CS person asked the wrong person, or limits had recently changed.

            If you would like SBR to seek an explanation for you, you are welcome to fill out a complaint form: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/
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            • parlayin
              SBR MVP
              • 11-03-07
              • 1091

              #7
              Here are the chat transcripts. I inserted "[long pause]" several times in the first chat transcript to show timing. I only deposited $200 and the remaining funds after the $75 in 2 bets have not been played with.

              Chat Transcript #1
              info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
              info: You are now chatting with 'Jane'
              Jane: Welcome to our online Customer Service! How may I assist you today?
              parlayin: hi, what is your max for nfl super bowl futures?
              parlayin: for example, these:
              parlayin: Cincinnati Bengals vs Green Bay Packers +6550 New England Patriots vs Atlanta Falcons +6900 Pittsburgh Steelers vs Dallas Cowboys +7500 San Diego Chargers vs Green Bay Packers +8100
              Jane: Good morning
              Jane: The limits are stated once you try to make the wager if you wish to make a higher amount you may ask for a wagering manager.
              Jane: Or the lines updates every 3 minutes so you may wager on them
              Jane: as many times as you wish.
              parlayin: But the max will determine how much i will deposit
              Jane: How much do you want to wager, in that case I will have to ask?
              parlayin: between 200 and 500
              Jane: That won't be a problem, if you try to make the wager, that amount is still in the ranges.
              parlayin: even for +8100?
              parlayin: i can bet 500?
              Jane: Let's log in.
              Jane: Can you please confirm your account number and password?
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX
              Jane: Just a moment please
              [long pause]
              Jane: I'm still working on it
              [long pause]
              Jane: I see no reason why you couldn't wager that amount but I'm confirming with a manager.
              [long pause]
              Jane: Thank you for holding
              Jane: It seems the max you can wager is $100 on those lines but you may call to the wagering department and ask for the limits to be increased
              parlayin: whoa, its a good thing you asked
              Jane: Or there's another option
              Jane: which I mentioned which is wager several times on the line with the $100 max
              Jane: the lines updates every
              Jane: 3 minutes so you can wager again.
              parlayin: yeah but the value will be gone
              parlayin: might as well bet elsewhere at that point
              Jane: Or you can call and ask.
              Jane: That will be the only way, those lines are high enough.
              Jane: Is there anything else I can assist you with?
              parlayin: no, i may start another chat in a bit to get deposit info
              Jane: Good deal sir.

              Regards,
              5Dimes CS
              Jane: Thank you for choosing us, Happy Holiday's!


              Chat Transcript #2
              info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
              info: You are now chatting with 'Butch'
              Butch: Welcome to our online Customer Service! How may I assist you today?
              parlayin: hi, i just deposited $200 to place 2 separate $100 futures bets because i spoke to customer service chat who said the max was $100 for the super bowl matchups
              parlayin: i pasted the matchup bet type i wanted and she took a while to check with her manager
              parlayin: now when i try to submit it says only $50 and $25 max
              Butch: Just a moment please
              Butch: what you can try is placing several wagers for the max amount sir
              parlayin: i first copied and pasted the bets i wanted and asked for the max. she asked how much i wanted to play. i said $200-500 and she said it would be fine but i doubted her so i asked if she was sure. she said she didn't think it would be a problem but would check with her manager to be sure. she came back and said it's actually $100. i said well its a good thing i asked her to check. so i went and withdrew $, took it to a ** location, and made a $200 deposit for 2 $100 bets and now it wont let me
              parlayin: no, the lines will change. i told her that was my concern and i didnt want to place multiple bets after the line has dropped and the value is gone
              parlayin: that's why i wanted to confirm that $100 was the max. initially she said $200-500 would be fine but i knew that couldn't be right
              parlayin: i need an answer on this because the lines will be taken down in 5 minutes when the nfl games start
              parlayin: "You have wagered $50.00 out of a total $50.00 on selection: NFL Football Super Bowl XLIX matchup : XXXXXXXX vs XXXXXXXX +6300 . You will be permitted to wager again on this event once the limit is reset or the line has changed."
              parlayin: "You have wagered $25.00 out of a total $25.00 on selection: NFL Football Super Bowl XLIX matchup : XXXXXXXX vs XXXXXXXX +12200 . You will be permitted to wager again on this event once the limit is reset or the line has changed."
              Butch: try placing the wager for the max again in 5 minutes
              parlayin: it wont be there in 5 minutes because the NFL games are starting in 3 minutes
              parlayin: also, the lines will be reset, which is specifically what i didnt want to happen. that's why i asked her to check with her manager...to avoid this very situation
              Butch: yes sir, I am sorry but you are too close to game time, the limit is normally reset every few minutes
              parlayin: then why did she tell me $100 was the max after checking with her manager?????
              parlayin: i didn't want to bet it at LOWER ODDS
              Butch: you can try calling them again to see if they can do something for you sir
              Butch: but we are too close to game time now
              parlayin: can i talk to tony
              parlayin: this is not right
              Butch: sir he is extremely busy at this time
              Butch: Just a moment please
              Butch: did you talked with that person over the phone?
              parlayin: no, on chat
              parlayin: do you keep records of chats?
              Butch: yes sir
              parlayin: im' sure you can find it if you look up my account #. i would also like it emailed to me
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com
              Butch: sir we looked at the chat
              Butch: She told you: 'It seems the max you can wager is $100 on those lines but you may call to the wagering department and ask for the limits to be increased'
              parlayin: yes, increase ABOVE $100
              parlayin: please email me the chat log
              parlayin: i'd be surprised if tony reviews that chat and this one and agrees with your interpretation
              Butch: you can try calling the wagering department as you were adviced to do in those cases
              parlayin: did you email it to me?
              info: Your chat transcript will be sent to XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com at the end of your chat.
              Butch: no sir, I will ask the email department to do it
              parlayin: when will i get a chance to chat or talk to tony?
              Butch: But any way sir, the limits can always vary, it is just the nature of the business
              parlayin: i told her i wanted to confirm the max because my deposit amount would be determined by the max she was quoting me
              Butch: Maybe at night or tomorrow, not on a busy day when there are plenty of games
              parlayin: that's why i wanted her to confirm with her manager before i ran out and did the work of depositing
              parlayin: does he have a direct email address?
              Butch: no, only by chat
              parlayin: so i can just come on here and ask the rep to put him on?
              Butch: yes
              parlayin: ok, i will do that
              parlayin: please have the email department send me that previous chat
              parlayin: thanks
              Butch: You're welcome.

              Chat Transcript #3
              info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
              info: You are now chatting with 'Tracy'
              Tracy: Welcome to our online Customer Service! How may I assist you today?
              parlayin: hi, i requested a chat transcript from butch last sunday. he said he would ask the email dept to send it to me but i haven't received it
              parlayin: it was for a previous conversation that same day i had with a female rep. maybe you or lisa
              Tracy: Greetings, I can help you with that.
              Tracy: Can you please confirm your account number and password?
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX
              Tracy: Let me check your account, just a moment please.
              Tracy: Thank you for waiting, we are still working on your request.
              parlayin: its been a week
              Tracy: With Lisa are you sure?
              parlayin: no
              Tracy: What was the chat about?
              parlayin: not sure
              parlayin: it was about the max bet for futures
              parlayin: i said i wanted to know the max because it would determine the amount of my deposit
              parlayin: she checked with her manager then quoted me a number
              parlayin: i dont know who it was with
              parlayin: i thought it was a female
              Tracy: Let me check your account, just a moment please.
              Tracy: This is your email correct?
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com
              Tracy: We need to use the one on the account sir.
              Tracy: Are you with me?
              parlayin: yea
              parlayin: XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com?
              parlayin: i got another one emailed to my XXXXXXXX account. when i click the email icon at the top, i just use XXXXXXXX
              parlayin: which email address do u want to send it to?
              Tracy: XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com
              parlayin: i just created that account because there was identity fraud issue with my account a couple yrs ago
              parlayin: if i can select a diff email address when i'm logged into chat, why does it matter?
              Tracy: There is available balanace in your account I cannot update it then
              Tracy: So please send an email to info@5dimes.eu wit your account and password also the request to update your email.
              parlayin: ok i see it now
              parlayin: is tony available
              parlayin: ?
              Tracy: Just a moment please
              Tracy: What would this be in reference to?
              parlayin: the max issue
              parlayin: i woudl like him to read both transcripts
              Tracy: I appreciate your patience, as soon as I have an answer I will get back to you.
              parlayin: thanks
              Tracy: You're welcome.
              info: Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Tony'.
              info: You are now chatting with 'Tony'
              Tony: greetings
              parlayin: hey tony
              parlayin: sorry for the hold
              parlayin: went to the bathroom
              parlayin: were u able to review my chat transcripts with jane and butch?
              Tony: give me the cliff's notes on those conversations
              parlayin: before last sunday's nfl games, i logged into chat and asked jane what the max bets were for super bowl futures and pasted examples of super bowl matchups
              parlayin: she gave a vague answer and i said the max would determine how much i would deposit
              parlayin: she asked how much i wanted, i said 200-500
              parlayin: she said that won't be a problem for those bets. i asked her is she sure you'd take 500 even on those high payout ones?
              parlayin: she said she doesn't see why not but would confirm with manager
              parlayin: i waited
              Tony: limits are cleared within 1-3 minutes of a wager
              Tony: then you can wager again
              parlayin: she came back and said actually $100
              parlayin: i said whoa its a good thing u asked your manager
              Tony: your limits were lowered at some point in the past
              Tony: and have been returned to house limits now
              parlayin: so i rushed out to bank and money gram location and deposited 200...for 2 separate wagers
              Tony: so from here, i've done all i'm going to do
              parlayin: yea she asked for me login so she looked up my account before saying 100
              parlayin: wait
              Tony: you've got my final answer on this one
              Tony: i'm done
              parlayin: she checked with manager and looked at my account and said 100
              Tony: i don't care
              Tony: you keep talking, and i'll make the limits lower than what they were
              parlayin: tony, is there a reason you're annoyed with me? i've talked to you before in the past and you helped me with identity fraud issue with my accounts. we haven't had issues before
              Tony: i'm busy
              Tony: when i'm busy, i handle things very quickly
              Tony: your problem is solved as far as its going to get solved by me
              parlayin: ok
              info: Your chat transcript will be sent to XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com at the end of your chat.
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              • Optional
                Administrator
                • 06-10-10
                • 61502

                #8
                You said you were blown off without explanation when asking to speak to a manager. I see the CS agent explaining multiple times that it was a busy moment and it was best to speak to Tony "Maybe at night or tomorrow, not on a busy day when there are plenty of games".

                The first CS agent gave you the correct info, your limit could be seen when trying to bet and general limits were $100 at the moment you asked. But as Tony explained in the last transcript your account had lower limits set, which he has reset for you now.

                Trying to bet less than 3 minutes before the game kickoff comes with risks. If you had been earlier you would have had the chance to rebet each 3 minutes and the odds very well may not have changed each time. And honestly, how skinny is your edge anyway if you are thinking a 70/1 shot is value but a couple of points less no longer is? But in my experience those high odds props don't shift after 1 max bet anyway.
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