I think it's a good sign that Europeans do run bitcoin books
They sure know how to run them as far as betting options and software
They sure know how to run them as far as betting options and software
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Co-signing the Heritage nomination, just deposited and it was instantly credited.Comment -
Interesting. My Heritage BTC deposit experience went nothing like that. It was quite painful and everything that they told me was not followed through on and I had to wait over 15 hours in spite of the transfer going to them being confirmed in minutes.Originally posted by Fiasco01Comment -
I tried jetwin . Deposit was within 30 seconds. If you bet hockey they have alternate lines that I have not seen anywhere else ( including 5dimes) . They have totals that don't include powerplay, for those penalty filled games where you had the under. Overall if it wasn't for Georgia costing me a parlay , the book is excellentComment -
Do Bitcoin books offer horseracingComment -
Is it safe to withdraw bitcoin to Coinbase?? I read somewhere that they will block any account related to gambling transaction.Comment -
It would probably be fine but I would certainly add a degree of separation via a blockchain.info wallet just to be safe.Originally posted by jimmy007ocComment -
Nitrogen changes their withdrawal addresses to make it safe. You can change your deposit address up to 5 times a day at Nitrogen. To be safe I just use blockchain.info when dealing with books. Then I don't have to worry about changing addresses. After that I transfer from blockchain.info, or any other wallet, to Coinbase.Originally posted by jimmy007ocComment -
Hey raiders...Originally posted by raiders72001
Thanks for all your insight with these BTC books...could you give a brief explanation about the few steps you take? For example, what type of site/service is blockchain.info? Is it the same as coinbase? Just trying to understand each step. Thanks!Comment -
It takes a while to get the wallet set up but Nitrogen is an awesome book. So easy and seamless. You will enjoy it.Originally posted by 3runhomerComment -
majman they took your thread off again hmm strange.Comment -
Yup, they did. Obv Heritage has a deal with SBR regarding any negative posts. Disappointing that SBR would do that.Originally posted by ki diceComment -
I saw that on yesterday there was a different Heritage complaint thread by a different poster and that one is gone too. Would love a moderator comment on why that SBR is taking this stance. Isn't this a forum in which posters can share their experiences...good or bad..about books?Originally posted by ki diceComment -
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hmm... I thought Bitcoin's transaction is anonymous
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There are some books (and online casinos, etc) that use just one wallet address, so it is obviously them. If you withdraw bitcoins from one of these books directly to your coinbase wallet, it is a red flag that you have withdrawn from a book and that you have used your coinbase wallet/account to send money to and receive from a sportsbook/casino. Therefore, it is always best to withdraw to another wallet first before sending to your coinbase wallet. If you're going to withdraw a lot, then i would send it around to different wallets and maybe even an aggregator/anonymizer before sending to coinbase.Originally posted by jimmy007ochmm... I thought Bitcoin's transaction is anonymous. How the hell coinbase track down your gambling transaction??Comment -
So what happens if coinbase believes that funds are coming from a sportsbook? I assume they just don't accept them and it gets returned to the book's wallet address? Doesn't seem like such a big deal unless I'm missing something.Originally posted by HuskerExpatComment -
Blockchain.info provides a wallet service which does not require your name or identity. You cannot use blockchain.info to buy or sell bitcoins like you can at coinbase.Originally posted by 3runhomer
Can't speak for raiders but if I was American I would probably buy the coins at coinbase, then send the coins to a blockchain.info wallet. Then send the coins from my blockchain.info wallet to Nitrogen. I would then just do the reverse when it was time to withdraw and sell the coins at coinbase.
Very easy and quick to set up a blockchain.info wallet: https://blockchain.info/wallet/newComment -
I do my transactions the way that Domestic does. Coinbase and blockchain.info are both wallets. As Domestic said the difference is that you can link your bank account right to Coinbase so that you can exchange bitcoins and cash.Originally posted by 3runhomer
1. Link bank account to Coinbase.
2. Buy bitcoins using Coinbase.
3. Transfer bitcoins to blockchain.info
4. Make all transactions between blockchain.info and the sportsbook.
Coinbase is located in the US and they do ask for personal information. If you want to avoid Coinbase and all other paper trails, you can go through localbitcoins.com.Comment -
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_Bi...ewbie_version)Buying Bitcoins (the newbie version)
This page aims to be the best resource for new users to understand how to buy Bitcoins. The existing Buying bitcoins page is too complex.
Read How To Buy Bitcoins With Your ***********, for information about buying Bitcoins with a ***********.
Warning: Please be careful with your money. When sending money to an exchange or seller you are trusting that the operator will not abscond with your funds and that the operator maintains secure systems that protect against theft -- internal or external. It is recommended that you obtain the real-world identity of the operator and ensure that sufficient recourse is available. Because Bitcoin services are not highly regulated a service can continue operating even when it is widely believed that it is insecure or dishonest and webpages recommending them (including these) may not be regularly updated. Exchanging or storing significant amounts of funds with third-parties is not recommended.
- 1 PayPal
- 2 ***********
- 3 Bank Transfer
- 4 Cash
- 5 Personal Checks
- 6 Gift Card (US)
- 7 Money Orders
- 8 Via IDeal (NL)
- 9 Via **
- 10 Finding a direct seller online
- 11 Physical Trading
- 12 Anonymity
- 13 Exchanges
- 14 Avoiding Scams
- 15 Links
PayPal
You can't directly buy Bitcoins using PayPal, because it is risky for the seller, and therefore few sellers will offer this. There are basically 3 reasons for that:
- The buyer of bitcoins can always perform a ********** and there is no way for the seller to contest that
- There are many hacked accounts and when PayPal realizes that such an account has been fraudulently used, they will also perform a **********
- PayPal doesn't like bitcoin, as the bitcoin network is in direct competition to it. They will ban accounts that have anything to do with Bitcoins, and freeze their balance.
Having said that there is a workaround that can be done in order to use Paypal to buy Bitcoins but it holds within it higher transaction fees. Using the Virtual World Exchange you can buy Second Life Lindens (SLL) with Paypal and then convert your SLL to Bitcoins. This process will charge you transaction fees of around 6% but will let you purchase Bitcoins pretty quickly as opposed to a wire transfer. The reason this method works is because you do not buy Bitcoins with Paypal directly, you only buy SLL with Paypal (which is acceptable by Paypal's TOS) and then exchange your SLL to Bitcoin.
Note: If you only want to take advantage of Bitcoin's price volatility You can trade CFDs on Bitcoin via Paypal on sites like AvaTrade or Plus500. When trading online your capital may be at risk. Trading CFDs is suitable for more experienced traders.
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VirWox - The Virtual World Exchange accepts all major ************ (via Paypal or Skrill) and allows you to buy SLL which you can then trade to Bitcoin. Using this method is faster then most options but has larger transaction fees involved.
CoinMama uses ** to allow you to purchase Bitcoins through your ***********. This service is not available in the US.
Brawker is a very easy and different way of buying bitcoins. People can buy bitcoins using Paypal or *********** on Brawker. With Brawker bitcoin buyers buy items at online merchants for people interested in paying with bitcoins. When they receive the items the bitcoin buyers receive the bitcoins that were held in escrow during each transaction.
Bank Transfer
US Only!! Coinbase allows you to buy and sell bitcoin instantly by connecting any U.S. based bank account. You need an account number and routing number, which can be found on a check. A *********** can be optionally linked to your account as well. Coinbase also acts as a bitcoin wallet which can store the bitcoin once it is purchased. Ideal for beginners first getting involved in bitcoin.
expresscoin.com (info) allows customers to buy Bitcoin with a wire transfer. Specific instructions of all payment methods are referenced in the How To Buy page.
Bittylicious allows customers to purchase Bitcoins using an extremely simple interface. All customers need to do is to enter their Bitcoin address and email address and choose how many coins they want. If customers want to purchase more than the default (usually around £50/EUR 55/$80) then they just need to sign up and do some sort of verification. UK bank transfers, Euroean SEPAs, iDEAL and Mister Cash are all accepted.
BitBrothers LLC allows customers and bitcoiners to purchase bitcoins by either sending in cash, money orders, cashiers checks, or ** to a designated location. Bitcoiners can also deposit money directly into one of the corporate business accounts increasing the transaction time to less than an hour. These methods of payments are available to ensure anonymity and protect the ideals bitcoins were founded on. For customers who wish to preform BANK TRANSFERS, the option will be available shortly. BitBrothers LLC guarantees that all customers will be satisfied with their exquisite customer service and overall experience that they are even offering discounts to select customers!
Kraken allows verified users to buy and sell bitcoin using USD and EUR by depositing via wire transfer. Other national currencies can be converted to USD or EUR at transfer. Kraken is an exchange and the market is determined by orders.
BitQuick.co (info) allows sellers to connect to buyers via cash deposit or SEPA transfer. You can buy bitcoin instantly by providing only your email address and bitcoin address. As soon as the deposit is received, the bitcoin are sent.
bit4coin.net (info) Buy bitcoins with bit4coin gift vouchers. Easy to use online shop experience, and the vouchers will be delivered to your doorstep.bit4coin.net guides you through the entire process of redeeming the voucher and getting your first bitcoins - and the voucher doubles up as a great gift, too!
Belgacoin allows you to buy bitcoins via SEPA transfer. It is fast, secure and cheap. No registration needed. We do not charge anything for this service, for the time being.
Bitalo enables you to buy Bitcoins directly from another person. If that person is online and you share the same bank, you can get your Bitcoins in a matter of minutes. The transaction is secured by Bitcoin multi-signature addresses, and Bitalo acts as an escrow. You can store bought Bitcoins on your own address, or using a safe multi-signature Bitcoin wallet on Bitalo, for free.
Asia Nexgen (ANX) (info) allow their customers to buy Bitcoin by sending a wire transfer. They are legally registered and based in Hong Kong and hold a Money Services Operator license issued by the Hong Kong Customs and Excise Department. They support most popular cryto-currencies and all major fiat currencies (including USD, EUR, HKD, AUD, CAD, CHF, GBP, JPY, NZD and SGD). They are currently running a zero transaction fee promotion.
Cash
Local Bitcoins allows sellers and buyers who are located nearby to meet and exchange Bitcoins through various methods including cash, wire transfer, Money Bookers, Skrill and more. Local Bitcoins offers a Bitcoin escrow service that holds the funds until the transaction is complete, therefore reducing fraud.
BitQuick.co (info) allows sellers to connect to buyers via cash deposit or SEPA transfer. You can buy bitcoin instantly by providing only your email address and bitcoin address. As soon as the deposit is received, the bitcoin are sent.
BitBothers LLC allows customers and bitcoiners to purchase bitcoins by either sending in cash, money orders, cashiers checks, or ** to a designated location. Bitcoiners can also deposit money directly into one of the corporate business accounts increasing the transaction time to less than an hour. These methods of payments are avaliable to ensure anonymity and protect the ideals bitcoins were founded on. For customers who wish to preform bank transfers, the option will be avaliable shortly. BitBrothers LLC gurantees that all customers will be satisfied with their exquisite customer service and overall experience that they are even offering discounts to select customers!
Asia Nexgen (ANX) (info) allow their customers to buy Bitcoin by depositing directly into their Australian bank account. They are legally registered and based in Hong Kong and hold a Money Services Operator license issued by the Hong Kong Customs and Excise Department. They support most popular cryto-currencies and all major fiat currencies (including USD, EUR, HKD, AUD, CAD, CHF, GBP, JPY, NZD and SGD). They are currently running a zero transaction fee promotion.
The company prepared to open Hong Kong's first physical bitcoin shop, in Sai Ying Pun in February 2014. Customers, who must supply an identity card and proof of address for anti-money laundering regulatory compliance, will be able to purchase bitcoins for cash.
The company brought the first Bitcoin ATM to Hong Kong. Customers must be verified to use this ATM and will need to use their Bitcoin wallet QR code to make a cash deposit.
bitXoin (info) Buy bitcoin via online ordering and bank deposit, cash over the counter at most banks throughout Australia. Fast processing, low reference rate, low commissions.
Bitcoin (Australia) - pay by cash over the counter at local bank branches.
expresscoin.com (info) allows customers to pay with cash at Credit Unions that support shared branching.
Personal Checks
expresscoin.com (info) allows customers to buy Bitcoin with a personal check. Create a purchase request and mail in a personal check to the listed address and match amount. Specific instructions of all payment methods are referenced in the How To Buy page.
Gift Card (US)
GiftCardDrainer.com allows you to buy bitcoin with ****, **********, AMX or Discover gift cards. Uses the exchange rate provided by coinbase.com at the time that the customer's gift card is processed within 24 hours of card submission. Most cards are processed within a few hours of submission, however it can take up to 24 hours. Customer must provide a bank account number for identity verification.
Money Orders
expresscoin.com (info) allows customers to buy Bitcoin with a personal check. Create a purchase request and mail in a USPS *********** to the listed address and match amount. Specific instructions of all payment methods are referenced in the How To Buy page.
Via IDeal (NL)
Bitonic allows you to buy bitcoins with IDEAL.
HappyCoins allows you to buy Bitcoins with iDEAL and SEPA bank transfer.
Bittylicious allows you to buy Bitcoins with iDEAL and SEPA bank transfer.
Via **
BitBrothersLLC Buy bitcoins with ** anywhere in the U.S.
You can buy Bitcoins with a ** or ** money transfer via coinmama.com.
Finding a direct seller online
If you can find another person that is willing to sell them to you, you can transfer him money via any payment method (including PayPal), and he'll send you the Bitcoins. The following websites can be used to find direct sellers online Bitcoin OTC, Local Bitcoins or the Currency Exchange Forum Section. Be extremely cautious of scammers when dealing over the counter. Ask an admin, moderator or a trusted person if you think someone is suspicious.
Physical Trading
BitBothers LLC LOCAL PURCHASES IN COLORADO. We also accept **
You might be able to find an individual with whom you can Buy bitcoins locally. Always choose somebody with many reviews.
Starting in October of 2013, physical Bitcoin ATMs have been installed in Canada, Finland, Slovakia, Australia, Germany, and the UK. Use a Bitcoin ATM Locatorto find a machine near you.
Anonymity
There is a huge demand for buying Bitcoins off the grid due to ever-increasing government regulations and private agency intrusions and discrimination against alternative currencies. Due to the possibility of facial recognition cameras at banks and the paper trail involved with ************, there are very few options to have high levels of anonymity when buying Bitcoins those ways. DNA, Fingerprints, phone and internet records, audio and video records will not be discussed, but they all are possible tools which attackers could use to uncloak even the stealthiest Bitcoin buyer. There are a couple known ways, depending on your location, to buy Bitcoins outside of the standard banking system with relatively high anonymity. Buying locally with cash using a burner or payphone allows a high level of anonymity with the exchange being the weakest link. Many sellers online will also trade Bitcoins for MoneyPak codes or other cash-like gift codes which can be bought at a local store with cash. Another way to buy Bitcoins with a high level of anonymity is by sending cash in the mail.
Exchanges
For a list of other major exchanges, see Market Exchanges
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Is there any particular reason why GoBetGo.com is not on the list of the bitcoin sportsbooks, when they offer the lowest margins on earth.. and much better odds than pinnacle or 5diems...and take bitcoin?Comment -
They are fairly new and are going through a lot of growing pains. They do have the lowest margins in soccer.Originally posted by portman
Gobetgo has confiscated winnings from players, claiming bonus abuse. There are other claims of confiscation and it's unsure if the player was a cheat or the book was a cheat. In communication with players, Gobetgo is similar to Tony at 5Dimes.
Here is a recent post from Gobetgo showing that they are still working out the kinks.
We did an upgrade of our servers recently, which we hoped would fix the performance issue. Unfortunately it didn't. Therefore, our tech supplier decided to entirely change the frontend technology we are using to a new one, which will greatly optimize the performance. So they are pretty much rebuilding the whole website right now.
We will also release an automated API for betting, similar to pinnacle's.Comment -
Thanks raiders72001...you are a huge help in this area!Comment -
Dear Raiders thanks for your post,
As an experienced player I have used hundreds of bookmakers. Being new is not a reason for exclusion at least at my own humble opinion. As the motto says ‘’noone was born experienced’’. I am using them the last five months and I am surprised from the product they offer, very low margins probably the lowest out there, fast payouts and modern approach to bookmaking. From my experience I can understand when a bookmaker is gonna offer my troubles and when not. I have played in hundreds of shops and generally speaking, there I am feeling safe, a feeling that doesn’t hold for other B-rated shops. There are of course problems with their site (sometimes I can say that you have to wait more for placing a bet than for getting paid your winnings!) but I do not regard it as a serious burden for the professional punter. Also I have to say that I have no sympathy for abusers and I would recommend other bookmakers to follow 5dimes and GBG’s example, and being harsh to them. If we require honesty from bookmakers we have to be honest as players too, right? Despite your parallelism of their customer service to 5dimes’ and Tony (I have plenty of experiences with him and okay he is bizarre but I appreciate his work and the level he raised his shop), 5dimes is still in the list while Gobetgo no, which means that this is not an argument for exclusion from the list. Also if their slow site justifies exclusion, then what one can commend for Cris group which brought suddenly off both e-wallets (Skrill and Neteller) and has kept them out for two months now, which means that some EU players’ funds are well trapped during all this period? Why don’t you simply start rating them so as to have countable complaints, and give them a good incentive for being right and fair to everyone? It will be good for all parties know that their shop has to give account somewhere and this is the right place, the best forum around with thousands of players
It would be good for us players, to seed in their mind that if they will not be fair in the future, their reputation is going to be collapse in no-time by utilizing this forum’s power
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Great post and thoughts. I hope the best for Gobetgo since their margins are to the benefit of us players. They cater to Soccer and the margins are higher in American markets.Originally posted by portmanDear Raiders thanks for your post,
As an experienced player I have used hundreds of bookmakers. Being new is not a reason for exclusion at least at my own humble opinion. As the motto says ‘’noone was born experienced’’. I am using them the last five months and I am surprised from the product they offer, very low margins probably the lowest out there, fast payouts and modern approach to bookmaking. From my experience I can understand when a bookmaker is gonna offer my troubles and when not. I have played in hundreds of shops and generally speaking, there I am feeling safe, a feeling that doesn’t hold for other B-rated shops. There are of course problems with their site (sometimes I can say that you have to wait more for placing a bet than for getting paid your winnings!) but I do not regard it as a serious burden for the professional punter. Also I have to say that I have no sympathy for abusers and I would recommend other bookmakers to follow 5dimes and GBG’s example, and being harsh to them. If we require honesty from bookmakers we have to be honest as players too, right? Despite your parallelism of their customer service to 5dimes’ and Tony (I have plenty of experiences with him and okay he is bizarre but I appreciate his work and the level he raised his shop), 5dimes is still in the list while Gobetgo no, which means that this is not an argument for exclusion from the list. Also if their slow site justifies exclusion, then what one can commend for Cris group which brought suddenly off both e-wallets (Skrill and Neteller) and has kept them out for two months now, which means that some EU players’ funds are well trapped during all this period? Why don’t you simply start rating them so as to have countable complaints, and give them a good incentive for being right and fair to everyone? It will be good for all parties know that their shop has to give account somewhere and this is the right place, the best forum around with thousands of players It would be good for us players, to seed in their mind that if they will not be fair in the future, their reputation is going to be collapse in no-time by utilizing this forum’s power
My feeling is that many of the bitcoin books have gone under in the first year.
BitBook
Bit365
Coinbet
Bitcoinlivebets
Blockbet
Some of them were considered top books at one time. I think that those rating books should take caution when rating newer books. When a high rated book goes under, it's a reflection upon the person/site that had them rated high.
This is a personal guideline that I use:
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing playersComment -
I would just stick to the top bitcoin books that players here have solid experiences with
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Dear Raiders many thanks for your response, the point you raise is conceivable. My argument is that I wanted to commence a Gobetgo’s rating section. Although I remain silent most of the time, rest assured that I follow the site and the forum for many years. It is my source for knowledge when I am about opening up new relationships with a certain bookmaker. And in that particular case, it looked bizarre that a bookmaker that has made a vivid entrance in this industry during the last year, remains absent from the site’s lists. Especially when most of the bookies involved in the bitcoin list are far less popular than Gobetgo at least in my own view. Probably they may be more popular in the other side of the Atlantic, but here in Europe, I barely recognize any among the listed and trust me, I am pro player for several years.
Dear jjgold it is a matter of personal style and preferences. Every player has his own profile, and his distinctive pattern of play. I am playing in Gobetgo because they allow professional action, they are easily taking my 5-digit stakes and payout my winnings in no time. My last withdrawal took place two days ago, it was a high 5-digit sum which was processed in less than ten minutes. I believe that my action would not be affordable for most of the other shops in the list, I see several excited users with 5dimes which only accepts 200$ in major leagues from me! However since I haven’t used most of the shops listed, feel free to indicate if there is anything interested out there that I haven’t yet discover...New knowledge - new power
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There are approximately 40 books, exchanges and agents accepting bitcoins. Bitbm, just stiffed a player 6 BTC.Originally posted by portmanDear Raiders many thanks for your response, the point you raise is conceivable. My argument is that I wanted to commence a Gobetgo’s rating section. Although I remain silent most of the time, rest assured that I follow the site and the forum for many years. It is my source for knowledge when I am about opening up new relationships with a certain bookmaker. And in that particular case, it looked bizarre that a bookmaker that has made a vivid entrance in this industry during the last year, remains absent from the site’s lists. Especially when most of the bookies involved in the bitcoin list are far less popular than Gobetgo at least in my own view. Probably they may be more popular in the other side of the Atlantic, but here in Europe, I barely recognize any among the listed and trust me, I am pro player for several years.
Dear jjgold it is a matter of personal style and preferences. Every player has his own profile, and his distinctive pattern of play. I am playing in Gobetgo because they allow professional action, they are easily taking my 5-digit stakes and payout my winnings in no time. My last withdrawal took place two days ago, it was a high 5-digit sum which was processed in less than ten minutes. I believe that my action would not be affordable for most of the other shops in the list, I see several excited users with 5dimes which only accepts 200$ in major leagues from me! However since I haven’t used most of the shops listed, feel free to indicate if there is anything interested out there that I haven’t yet discover...New knowledge - new powerComment -
They are also snooping in your account data for any memos sent with the transactions. If the memo even remotely suggests sportsbooks or fantasy football, your account will likely be suspended/deactivated. Same thing the same guys did at paypal back in the day. Advice: never do transaction with the same address twice, and never put anything in the memo field. Even the word "football" can get you booted.Originally posted by jimmy007ochmm... I thought Bitcoin's transaction is anonymous. How the hell coinbase track down your gambling transaction??Comment -
nitrogen is a pinnacle for bitcoins, is there a bitcoin of 5dimes, ( i know they take it, but the whole process is very slow)Originally posted by raiders72001
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We need a btc rating section where players grade the books. Another site did this & betcoinsports was very poorly rated by a lot of players but i haven't seen any issues mentioned here. Anyone who plays or will play with serious money at a btc book needs as much player feedback as possible. I'm a bigger player so I'm still a tad reluctant to plunge into btc books considering the dearth of info. We especially need to find out about the size of payouts. Anyone can run a ponzi and pay out 2k here and there...the question is which books are making consistently large payouts...or in this case many payouts equaling large sums...since I wouldn't think players would keep large balances in btc books for various reasons.Comment -
Webetcoins clones 5Dimes lines but it's not recommended to play there. Lots of slow pays and most players left.Originally posted by thespeculatorComment -
Betcoinsports is a very good book with reduced juice. Be careful of the polls at other sites. They are filled with shills/ghosts skewing the ratings.Originally posted by JohnnythunderComment -
Agreed, they will also just take like one or two pieces of feedback and slap a D rating or something on a book which is pointless. Someone then goes and reads that particular thread and just thinks, hmm it must be a D book. Some ratings with proper sample sizes could be a good database for SBR to start.Originally posted by raiders72001Comment
