Canbet Sportsbook payout issues update - Canbet Director comments..

[hlorenz81]

Has anyone tried to obtain a refund from Skrill or maybe Neteller? 2 years ago Skrill refunded the initial deposits made through Skrill to a scam book 21kbet

Even if we try.... what if i did deposit 500 EUR but in my account there are 2400? I don't think they could ever refund more than the initial deposit...
Personally I got a refund months ago, for a scam, it was not a betting company.... generally policy talks about a limit range of 6 months from the date of initial deposit, means that the initial deposit might be refunded if made within 180 days from the original complaint and refund request. I don't know if this might be the case... But certainly won't give more than that...

[xpress]

you can get a refund via skrill or neteller only if canbet holds money there

[hlorenz81]

Personally i got refunded from a scam company called BANNERS BROKER... think they are famous in the web for what they did.... but this was not with skrill or neteller... have no idea if they were holindg money on their account but i got refunded in 24hrs by *********** when this happened.

[goonerash]

Even your deposit amount back would seem favourable at this time.

[hlorenz81]

No way, once i requested the withdraw and after 40 days the position of GC was: they have technical problems, auditors guaranteed that there are sufficient founds.
I want my whole founds back! They had all the time from 20 november til 31 december to pay me. Someone has to pay all costumers.

[bancoricardo]

I have just got a judgement by default from the small claims court. Has anyone on here got further than this stage i.e. requested a warrant and got the bailiffs on the job (not that they're likely to get their hands on much)?

I got a CCJ and appointed court to enforce - they reported that the Canbet office was simply a mailing address with no goods to seize.

[FENDER1]

An another former Canbet Director Does something look familiar ?
I should make it clear that Mark Read is no longer a Director at Canbet, having resigned last year. The other Director, assuming he hasn't quit is Graeme White

[Hareeba!]

Ah see, I bloody knew they had to still be operating here! They were advertising to hire traders just 4 or 5 months ago... no way that at least one employee wouldn't be chirping if they had closed their Australian office. Thanks to your call at least now I know missioning out in 35+ degree heat today will be worth it as someone will be there.

So, did you manage to find anyone to talk to about it?

[shari91]

Sorry for the slow reply guys. I was sure I posted in here yesterday that something came up and I couldn't get there until this morning but it looks like I never hit send. I did go there this morning and got quite a bit of info. Not sure how useful it'll be but give me a bit and I'll type it all up as my phone is dead and it contains all the notes I took.

[shari91]

This might seem a bit vague solely because a few people helped me out today while I was there and I don't want to cause any drama for them as I'm 99.9% sure now that at least one person from IGAS is following this thread closely (you'll see why below). The people who helped me knew why I was asking questions and who I was but there is no benefit to them for assisting us so I'm not going to throw them under the bus at all.

When I got to the 29th floor I saw 3 offices. Sporting Data which we already knew of, a second company I'd never heard of before and an office that looked to be recently vacated, complete with crap still on the floor. I assumed that the empty office was IGAS and they'd hit the road in the 2 days since someone verified they were still there. I took a few pics of the empty office, went downstairs to have a coffee and post in here that sadly they'd skipped town. However thanks to a few weird coincidences, I managed to find out that they are indeed still on the 29th floor of the ANZ Building. They're just hiding.

The two guys who have your cash are Graeme White (as Fender1 mentioned above) and Peter Lord. As soon as I heard those 2 names I'd remembered seeing them here: http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/canbet-uk

The company in India (Delta) was pumping cash into them from either the day IGAS took control of Canbet or very soon after. A LOT of money, as in millions which is why people are baffled. This is not some recent acquisition. I'm going to start using the word allegedly here just so some money hungry grubs don't try to come after me with a lawsuit: They "allegedly" let half of their staff go with no payouts or entitlements and they "allegedly" told them that they are going to bat for them with Fair Work Australia so they'd keep quiet. As in they are shifting the blame to the money guys in India although they were given MORE than enough to keep the business afloat + the cash they received from player deposits. Hence why no squawkers on any forum yet.

The remaining staff are working for a new company called Results International. That's the name I saw on the second office - just a dodgy piece of paper taped on the doorbell - and as I obviously didn't recognise it, I initially thought nothing of it. Although the company name was incorporated a couple of years ago, starting the first week of Jan 2014 docs started to be filed with ASIC. A few weeks before the Jan 28th deadline you guys were given. I was also told they have a website up and running although I haven't looked much for it yet. This company has allegedly been set up to do exactly what IGAS did: Pull in investors with deep pockets, offer stupidly large bonuses to entice players and then live the high life on your cash. Oh and despite Results International being up and running since early Jan, it was pointed out to me that they only bothered to change the name on their door early yesterday morning... the same day I said in here that I planned to go there. Of course that could be a coincidence.

There were some more things that I was told but because it's just peripheral stuff that won't help you get your cash back, I don't want to risk putting anyone in the poo. On the way home I started to second guess all the stuff people told me and wondered if I was being hustled myself so I did an ASIC search. I took a punt and paid for one result in particular hoping it was right and thankfully it was. The two names you see here are the two guys listed as directors of Canbet above and that's the name you'll see on the door of an office on the 29th floor of the ANZ Building. Same address of IGAS. You'll be able to see from the dates when they started to diddle with this company out of the blue and also surpreeze surpreeze IGAS is listed as well. As I had to pay a whopping $9 for these docs and they expire after awhile, if someone could save them and post them as images in this thread that'd be great as I'm not sure how to do it on my phone. https://post.asic.gov.au/CustomerDro...Boe120DmW10%3D

As I said earlier I'm not sure if this info will even be of any use but this is what I could come up with.

[FENDER1]

I just wonder. is this new company, what Peter Lord was on about when he said "As part of our current software upgrade, the company are launching a new state of the art sportsbook and a mobile betting platform in the coming weeks"

[benashey79]

That's great work, thank you very much for your help and effort that you put in, it is much appreciated. The only question now is, where it leaves us in terms of getting our money back, not a lot closer I assume. I do feel this is turning more in to a criminal matter now and may consider informing the police as surely there is fraud being committed. I also feel a call to the local press in Melbourne and the Directors home towns may be worth doing, fortunately I am in Aus at the moment so will consider this.

[shari91]

I just wonder. is this new company, what Peter Lord was on about when he said "As part of our current software upgrade, the company are launching a new state of the art sportsbook and a mobile betting platform in the coming weeks"

If by some chance it were, they should probably pay out the staff and clients they have hanging in the lurch for several months first before worrying about upgrades. No one's claiming Canbet at all now (Delta pretending they have no idea/name change at the office in Melb) and there are employees waiting for FWA to magically show up and others starting to wonder why they were ever kept around and wishing they were let go. I hope you're right although it's kind of scary when their own staff knew the "technical glitch" was a joke and they've blown a self-imposed deadline way out without a peep since. They know I was there today... they can say something. Some of these guys aren't even owed a lot of money in AUD... even ignoring everything else there's no excuse.

[FENDER1]

Outstanding work by the way, thanks very much.

[simply]

Big thanks to Shari91. I can't believe, they are criminals and also very smart criminals. They was in financial shit for a while, then they offered some big bonuses to receive as many cash as possible, then they payed outstanding wages to their staff and also give some minor payouts to players (just to buy some time, before they disappear , and keep us in hope that we will be payed) and keep rest of money in their pockets to start new dirty job. I don't know what are rules in Australian law but, I think this is a job for police. Any thoughts?
Also if Shari91 is interested we will donate some money to you to buy some baseball bat and make some mess in their new offices or maybe some gun

[simply]

I just wonder. is this new company, what Peter Lord was on about when he said "As part of our current software upgrade, the company are launching a new state of the art sportsbook and a mobile betting platform in the coming weeks"

hahah you must be joking

[FENDER1]

Well you could ask him via Facebook

[shari91]

Big thanks to Shari91. I can't believe, they are criminals and also very smart criminals. They was in financial shit for a while, then they offered some big bonuses to receive as many cash as possible, then they payed outstanding wages to their staff and also give some minor payouts to players (just to buy some time, before they disappear , and keep us in hope that we will be payed) and keep rest of money in their pockets to start new dirty job. I don't know what are rules in Australian law but, I think this is a job for police. Any thoughts?
Also if Shari91 is interested we will donate some money to you to buy some baseball bat and make some mess in their new ofifices or maybe some gun

You guys need to contact Today Tonight or A Current Affair. Every single person in here write like a 5 line blurb... who you are, where you're from, why you chose to bet with them, how much you've been scammed, what hopes you had for that cash and then send all of that together. I know people laugh at those shows but they name and shame, get their faces on camera and get results. We also need to find their new website. I keep saying we despite my never betting a penny with them but this is bloody total conman, scammer behaviour from 2 Aussies and when others help to bury them off the record, it's time for them to fry. They've jacked your cash and they're preparing to do it again... it's not your money they even want, it's their investors. Clients are just byproducts. ALLEGEDLY.

[GuybrushT]

hahah you must be joking

It can be true. Do you people really think that they can just open a new company, not pay all the money the owe, and continue the business legally with the newly opened company? If they can, well, we can all leave our jobs and open bookmakers, offer crazy bonuses, take all the deposited money, open a new bookmaker and so on. And to that publicly, with our real names. Of course the law and police will say "it's ok".

I'm not sure we will get the money we wait, but I see too much negativity here. If you think they can take our money, and continue with a new business without consequences, well, describe me how, maybe I will try. As you people say, the law has nothing against that. So why don't try?

[shari91]

It can be true. Do you people really think that they can just open a new company, not pay all the money the owe, and continue the business legally with the newly opened company? If they can, well, we can all leave our jobs and open bookmakers, offer crazy bonuses, take all the deposited money, open a new bookmaker and so on. And to that publicly, with our real names. Of course the law and police will say "it's ok".

I'm not sure we will get the money we wait, but I see too much negativity here. If you think they can take our money, and continue with a new business without consequences, well, describe me how, maybe I will try. As you people say, the law has nothing against that. So why don't try?

I learned this in grade 11 business class although to be fair I did just double check: I'll bet your fricken booty they can. For the simple reason that IGAS is a corporation - the whole point of incorporating a business is that individuals or their assets will never be legally liable for sins of the corporation. You can walk away tomorrow. Same as slum lords and dodgy restaurant owners do even after killing people. If you have the cash to keep opening up new businesses without being done for whatever reason you sure as f can keep rinsing and repeating. They also have RI as a proprietary company for the moment with their wholesome IGAS as the Utltimate Holding Company which once again means they won't individually be on the hook.

People are negative because the sheeeit is negative.

[simply]

It can be true. Do you people really think that they can just open a new company, not pay all the money the owe, and continue the business legally with the newly opened company? If they can, well, we can all leave our jobs and open bookmakers, offer crazy bonuses, take all the deposited money, open a new bookmaker and so on. And to that publicly, with our real names. Of course the law and police will say "it's ok".

I'm not sure we will get the money we wait, but I see too much negativity here. If you think they can take our money, and continue with a new business without consequences, well, describe me how, maybe I will try. As you people say, the law has nothing against that. So why don't try?

OK you have right, that seems little unbelievable, but if you think that is true do you have any explanation why we have not informed about that. They told all of us to ask Delta corp about our payments, and didn't tell any word about opening new site(company), and staff from Delta corp don't even know what are we talking about when we say Canbet. After that what I can think about them? If I count good, they lied me 5-6 times with their announcements and mails, so that is quite enough for me to understand some things.

[GuybrushT]

OK you have right, that seems little unbelievable, but if you think that is true do you have any explanation why we have not informed about that. They told all of us to ask Delta corp about our payments, and didn't tell any word about opening new site(company), and staff from Delta corp don't even know what are we talking about when we say Canbet. After that what I can think about them? If I count good, they lied me 5-6 times with their announcements and mails, so that is quite enough for me to understand some things.

I want to believe they have some cash problems, trying to resolve them, and buying time with lies meantime. Because what you people are saying still doesn't make sense to me. I know that the world is unfair, but if everyone can LEGALLY steal as they do (by legally I mean without repercussions), then what's the point of every legal business...is better to scam.

[RyDLloyd]

Well done to shari91 for going down and investigating.

Just registered here to post and let everyone know I'm owed £3,254.77 since 23rd October 2013 and will join in any well organised group action against Canbet, IGAS, the directors or new company.

There is a concept in the UK called 'lifting the corporate veil' which can be done in extreme circumstances to hold Directors personally liable for company debts, especially where the likes of fraud is concerned. I'm by now means a legal expert and do not know what constitutes fraud and the proof required, but I wonder if there is something similar available in Australia?

Ryan

[simply]

I want to believe they have some cash problems, trying to resolve them, and buying time with lies meantime. Because what you people are saying still doesn't make sense to me. I know that the world is unfair, but if everyone can LEGALLY steal as they do (by legally I mean without repercussions), then what's the point of every legal business...is better to scam.

Yes mate, I wanted to believe same, but seems that is not case this time. Of course, this is very legally, they have some paragraph in their rules, that your money is not guaranteed and in case of insolvency, you will receive nothing. I don't know what is job of Gambling commissions, but they are not responsible in any similar case. Who guarantee me that Pinnacle or any other would not do the same thing one day? No one!

[shari91]

So I can kill myself. The amount they owe me is enough to make someone go insane.

No. Don't even suggest such things. I know you're owed a lot of money but we just have to try to be a bit creative. xo

I want to believe they have some cash problems, trying to resolve them, and buying time with lies meantime. Because what you people are saying still doesn't make sense to me. I know that the world is unfair, but if everyone can LEGALLY steal as they do (by legally I mean without repercussions), then what's the point of every legal business...is better to scam.

Most of the time when a business goes bankrupt the directors don't have the cash to start a new one as they were legitimately trying to make the first one work and that's where the money went. It's very embarrassing to go busto for most normal people even when you know you've tried your hardest. However these two guys fed you clients bullcrap about "technical glitches", gave you a deadline that's long passed and have some of their fired staff believing the Indian company is at fault for not paying them. People like this don't operate like most of us do sadly. They are "allegedly" scumbag pieces of rubbish who "allegedly" have pocketed a lot of cash and they haven't even bothered to update you guys after the Jan 28 deadline passed nor contact SBR. They're not even pretending anymore.

Well done to shari91 for going down and investigating.

Just registered here to post and let everyone know I'm owed £3,254.77 since 23rd October 2013 and will join in any well organised group action against Canbet, IGAS, the directors or new company.

There is a concept in the UK called 'lifting the corporate veil' which can be done in extreme circumstances to hold Directors personally liable for company debts, especially where the likes of fraud is concerned. I'm by now means a legal expert and do not know what constitutes fraud and the proof required, but I wonder if there is something similar available in Australia?

Ryan

Hey Ryan - Very sorry we had to meet under these circumstances. I know maybe 8 friggen US lawyers on here but can't think of an Aussie one who'd have a clue. Hareeba??? Lurkerrs? Surely there is someone here who knows without consulting Senor Google.

[benashey79]

If anyone is interested in writing to the Herald Sun (Melbourne newspaper) then here is the link -
I have just emailed them with the story so if a few other people contact them, they might sit up and notice. I figured it would be better doing this in an Australian paper than a UK paper that the Directors couldn't care less about. It's not much but it is a start, I will try contact a few other news agencies to see if they will take the story

[GuybrushT]

Yes mate, I wanted to believe same, but seems that is not case this time. Of course, this is very legally, they have some paragraph in their rules, that your money is not guaranteed and in case of insolvency, you will receive nothing. I don't know what is job of Gambling commissions, but they are not responsible in any similar case. Who guarantee me that Pinnacle or any other would not do the same thing one day? No one!

That's the problem. If Canbet gets away with that without repercussions, then every bookie can do the same in case the business starts to go downstairs. Where is the logic? They can operate a risk free job? If things go well they earn, if things go bad, no problem, customers will pay.

Few years ago a new bookmaker (Getwin) opened, but they were inexperienced, followed slowly the line changes on the market, and had odds above the average all the time. So good bettors took advantage of that and make good winnings. After less then 2 months, they closed accounts to about 20 most winnings players (I was one of them), they paid their deposits back, and told the winnings will not be paid, because all that bettors were part of a betting syndicate (a lie of course). So they lead their business badly, and instead of pay for their mistakes, they tried to steal money owed to the customers. Of course players complained against them (to lga Malta), and you know what? After 3 months they paid ALL the owed money to the players, and sent a mail with apologies to everyone! And closed their website meantime.

So why Getwin had to follow the rules, and Canbet do not?

[CunningStutns]

Very interesting update! Thanks shari for going to this much effort for us.

I'm a student who is really struggling now due to those corrupt b******** at canbet. I will gladly participate in any group legal action against them as I have been constantly lied to from the beginning. I received a "personal" letter from Peter Lord asking me to hold off on my legal action with the promise of being paid on the 28th, obviously I didn't get paid or hear anything back. Now my court case is basically useless aswell. It makes my blood boil! The gambling commission are freaking useless. I called them 3 days ago and they stated a statement/update would be released later that day, nothing was posted so I call the day after and then claim there was never going to be an update as they have no new information!!

[muffins]

Creditors will appoint a liquidator to wind up the company. The liquidator would pass any evidence of fraud off to police.
Simply put, being an incompetent businessman is not a crime and it doesn't make you personally liable for a pty ltd company's debts. Only fraud would.
Sending one business broke doesn't stop you starting another, though hard to see why anyone would do business with the new one I don't know.
Get canbet wound up via liquidator appointment due to defaulting on creditors. Hope fraud is identified so directors can be pursued. Track new company and if they seek gaming licenses make sure governing body (probably Norfolk island or the like!) is aware they are failed sports book operators so hopefully licences aren't given. Notify any company you see them doing business with that they're dealing with defaulting debtors.
They're just going to move on to a new set of customers, probably in unregulated Asian markets, so may not even get licenced. Not much can really be done.

[GuybrushT]

Well done to shari91 for going down and investigating.

Just registered here to post and let everyone know I'm owed £3,254.77 since 23rd October 2013 and will join in any well organised group action against Canbet, IGAS, the directors or new company.

There is a concept in the UK called 'lifting the corporate veil' which can be done in extreme circumstances to hold Directors personally liable for company debts, especially where the likes of fraud is concerned. I'm by now means a legal expert and do not know what constitutes fraud and the proof required, but I wonder if there is something similar available in Australia?

Ryan

Google gave me that:

[CunningStutns]

If anyone is interested in writing to the Herald Sun (Melbourne newspaper) then here is the link -
I have just emailed them with the story so if a few other people contact them, they might sit up and notice. I figured it would be better doing this in an Australian paper than a UK paper that the Directors couldn't care less about. It's not much but it is a start, I will try contact a few other news agencies to see if they will take the story

I just emailed them too mate. Hopefully we can push something along if enough of us do it

[RyDLloyd]

I just emailed them too mate. Hopefully we can push something along if enough of us do it

Also just emailed the Herald Sun

[benashey79]

I agree with what you are saying, however when speaking to the Gambling Commission they informed me that auditors had confirmed that there is money in accounts to pay all customers, the people who have done the audit are 'independent' ,which as I suggested to them means they could be on the take as well, however someone has got to take the hit some where, either the Auditors who submitted the audit to the Gambling commission showing proof of funds are lying and thus would be in deep s*** or the audit was correct at the time and all the money has now mysteriously disappeared, either way this is not a simple liquidation and has to be fraudulent.

[benashey79]

I just emailed them too mate. Hopefully we can push something along if enough of us do it

Good stuff,thanks

[benashey79]

Also just emailed the Herald Sun

Cheers