Canbet Sportsbook payout issues update - Canbet Director comments..

[samuelson]

Ahhh the irony of a bunch of bonus whores losing 'their' money and wanting to take legal action to get some back. But they don't want to risk any money! Pay a lawyer retainer in advance? Gasp! Are you kidding??? Sounds risky!

The guys that are owed $20k are willing to put up $100. LOL

Maybe we can find a law firm that will give us a bonus when we sign up? Hmmmm.... and there must be a way to arb all of the judges rulings? At least lay off some of the risk? If they rule against us, can we win somewhere else? And clear the bonus! Gotta be a way??? Maybe SBR can put up some lines on which way the ruling will go maybe? Otherwise paying a law firm is just too risky. We might lose! We can't have that! We have no risk tolerance!!! That's why we are bonus whores and arbers to the end, right? That's why we all fell for Peter Lordes scam. L O penetrating L.!

It's time to write this loss off, guys. This isn't going anywhere.

I suspect most of you are like me, you bonuswhored and arbed the shit out of these books for years. I'm way way up after 10 years of doing this in my spare time. So Canbet (or somebody) got back $1500 of 'my' money, it was all their money anyway! According to my records I took over $7k in bonuses from Canbet over the years! I got burned once in 10 years, I honestly thought it would happen more often!

Players are blaming everyone but themselves. Someone blamed Skrill? How penetrating ridiculous! You put your money into anything gambling related, YOU are risking that money. YOU are accepting the risk. We all knew full well that an online sportsbook 'licence' from anywhere might not be worth the paper it was printed on or the web page anyone can copy and paste it on. We all deposited anyway. I busted out the final $750 scam bonus one time and redeposited for it AGAIN knowing full well there were non payment issues being reported at SBR. So my fault, my loss. Greed finally got the better of me. I accept that. Although I was smart enough to STOP trying to bust it out when I saw it was going the wrong way.

Yes, it's time to get over this and move on, nobody is going to jump up and represent this case for a portion of possible winnings, there is no motivating reason for them to do this. It's not a case that garners public sympathy, this is not a case where the downtrodden are having their rights further abused. This is just a case where a bunch of greedy 'gamblers' got taken by another couple of greedy fuckers.

Only the lawyers come out ahead in a lawsuit, they are the greediest fuckers of all.

Life goes on. On to the next bonus.

Oi dum fu*k my £10,000 owed is from betting on football matches so please excuse writing this bonus whore bollocks.

[samuelson]

@Krashman Yes you can swallow your losses as you are a cheat player, but I can not. It's two guys who have stolen my money and I see it the same as them breaking into my house and stealing it. It's not a boring threat in a forum I am seeking revenge trust me.

[Krashman]

It's not a boring threat in a forum I am seeking revenge trust me.

I hope you get it.

[Krashman]

Oi dum fu*k my £10,000 owed is from betting on football matches so please excuse writing this bonus whore bollocks.

Well the money they stole from me was from betting on sports too. Bonus whores still gotta bet on something you know.

[GuybrushT]

Oi dum fu*k my £10,000 owed is from betting on football matches so please excuse writing this bonus whore bollocks.

Same here. I usually don't take bonuses in the bookies (not even the welcome bonuses), because a bonus can be tempting, but also leads on faster stake limiting. A new player that takes a bonus (especially if he takes the full amount) is more on the bookie radar, then a player that starts incognito, without the bonus.

So unfortunately I cannot say "ok, Canbet just take back what I already got from them" as Krashman did. Almost all the owed amount was MY DEPOSIT. Maybe 5% are winnings.

I was so stupid to join at the end of October (so near the end), even if I read of the slow pay. But there was a certain Game Commission that assured me there will not be problems. A brand name (Canbet) + "guarantees" from GC = why not?

Stupid, stupid, stupid! A rookie mistake after years of online betting. I cannot figure out how the hell I was such an idiot!

[GuybrushT]

Well the money they stole from me was from betting on sports too. Bonus whores still gotta bet on something you know.

Doesn't matter how you earned the money stolen by those 2 crocks. Bonus, winnings, or deposited money...in all 3 situation it was YOUR MONEY, so even if all the money they owe me were from bonuses (and it isn't), I would feel the same. IT was mine, not Peter's or Graeme's!

[lcasey]

well thats no bad rant , might be true of all of us ,some of us ,but all business is to try and get some money whether you gamble or just stick to being paid a hourly rate.we,ve all tried to take advantage of bonus's thats why the online bookies tempt us with them ,but hey those guys were offering a bonus they had no intention of keeping ,they could have pulled the bonus at any time ,we were not asking them to keep rolling over the bonus's they knew what they were planning to do RUN WITH AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS THEY COULD,.The repeated smokescreens when the had departed and leading up to the end signals that .bookmakers offer bonus's to make money by introducing new customers and retain their old ones,not generally to grab all the cash and go.they are greedy criminals ,some of us by being greedy as you like to call it by having a bet are not criminal. There is a difference

[pajo1206]

People, lets try to concentrate on solutions. Lets consider what we have and what we can do, which is not much now. We have spent lot of time waiting for some government bodies who will not protect you in any case.
First of all we have to find what we can do, and not to leave those two bastards in peace. They have to know with this forum that they will never have peace anywhere in the world. And world become global village, so they will have trace somewhere some day. I will take my money with interest, even if it need hard way.
So, please put here on forum all data about Peter and Graeme, their pictures, all data about them, and their families, houses... If we have enough of data we can make site devoted to their criminal act and follow them with their job. They will not be safe anywhere.
They can not fight with us if we are organised. 300 of us, if not even more are power. We have to understand that.
We can also write petition to Interpol with all details.
I would like someone to make summary in word document about all issue and to send it to me and I will send it to Interpol again, of-course send it to my in private message.
If we make web site with private data, photos of them and family members, data of their asset... they will not sleep well, and presure will be bigger and bigger day by day.
And of-course not to leave other means like court. police investigations and media.
Time is going away, as I said before, we have less chances. But also as organised group we can do much.
I hope you agree.

[pajo1206]

As I can see there are much more people who are not ready to do something than people ready to act.
Most of people just post account number and thanks to Shari, hoping that she will do everything.
So, I am writing to the others who are ready to act.
It seems that Peter and Graeme are most active in this forum in the last time.
That also means that they are very interesting what will be in the end.

If there are some people ready to act, please write so we can make some strategy.

[GuybrushT]

As I can see there are much more people who are not ready to do something than people ready to act.
Most of people just post account number and thanks to Shari, hoping that she will do everything.
So, I am writing to the others who are ready to act.
It seems that Peter and Graeme are most active in this forum in the last time.
That also means that they are very interesting what will be in the end.

If there are some people ready to act, please write so we can make some strategy.

Not everyone gave up. Some of us are waiting some info to see what to do next. Don't worry, when we start something, we will inform everyone on this topic. But right now, more we write here, more info the scammers can get. So we use PM's more then before.

[eddie701]

Hi Guybrush, I tried to sent you a private message, but I need over 40 posts. I will send one in the next couple of hours.

[eddie701]

Now I can sent it.

[lcasey]

all over

well its all gone very quiet on here so i expect what i already knew is now a reality. The gutless aussie scumbags have taken my £3000. Events and circumstance do occur though and the world is a small place,if and its a big if ,I get to hear that any of them are in the UK at any time in the future ,it will be showtime . It has taught me that gambling commissions and so called watchdogs are as bad and toothless

[Lewie]

Australian Law Firms

I have emailed numerous law firms in Australia and continue to do so and the majority have replied saying that it is big news over there.

The reason for this message is to try and get and up to date head count of all people who are owed money and the total amount. I cannot call or correspond with these firms without the correct numbers to assess what figures we are looking at so if anyone can let me know and if you are interested in joining a class action against Canbet and how much you would be willing to pay for the return of your money.

As soon as I have the details I can start contacting firms and see if we get pro bono or a percentage take on the recovered sum.

[GuybrushT]

I have emailed numerous law firms in Australia and continue to do so and the majority have replied saying that it is big news over there.

The reason for this message is to try and get and up to date head count of all people who are owed money and the total amount. I cannot call or correspond with these firms without the correct numbers to assess what figures we are looking at so if anyone can let me know and if you are interested in joining a class action against Canbet and how much you would be willing to pay for the return of your money.

As soon as I have the details I can start contacting firms and see if we get pro bono or a percentage take on the recovered sum.

Hi. On page 25 of this thread you can see how much Canbet owes to SBR users. See if is useful data for you. Of course that is not all they owe, but at least shows that a lot of people are involved in that.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/2657050-canbet-sportsbook-payout-issues-update-canbet-director-comments-p25.html

But now everyone reported to this thread. SBR claims that SBR users that filled complaints are owed $1.2 million (much more then reported on page 25), so maybe SBR admins should be contacted, and asked for that data.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/canbet/

[simply]

Only Canbet directors know exact amount, but they didn't want to say that, because they planned to sell Canbet. Amount is for sure much over $1 000 000. I am intersted for class action, and I am ready to pay 20-30% of my money if returned. I assume that anyone here will be ready to give at least 20% of their money some to some lawyer who want to be payed when we win process. So amount for lawyer will be much over $200000 for sure, which is not small amount I think.

[eddie701]

if returned 20% of €3000

[GuybrushT]

Only Canbet directors know exact amount, but they didn't want to say that, because they planned to sell Canbet. Amount is for sure much over $1 000 000. I am intersted for class action, and I am ready to pay 20-30% of my money if returned. I assume that anyone here will be ready to give at least 20% of their money some to some lawyer who want to be payed when we win process. So amount for lawyer will be much over $200000 for sure, which is not small amount I think.

I think if a lot of us applies, 20-30% would be too much. On a big number of users also 5-10% would be a nice sum. But it all depends of the number of people that would join the action. More we are, less the percentage can be.

[lcasey]

I would be willing to pay 20-30% of my £3000 if they got it back for me ,

[shari91]

Guys hang tight for a minute before agreeing to any percentage. I've just received some news tonight and I'm trying to work my head around it without getting anyone into trouble. I'm waiting for a reply and once I get it, I'll be back in here. Just hold tight and cross your fingers.

[GuybrushT]

Shari, sent you a private message.

[Lewie]

Hi all,

As you know I am trying to get my son in laws, James Mallett, money back for him, he is owed £2500 and with his first child due next week I am doing everything I can.

To date I have received seven replies from law firms in Australia all expressing an interest but without definite commitments by email and amount owed I will not be able to gather a total that I can work with upon further contact with them.

[shari91]

Here are the latest docs I purchased on Friday from ASIC - the day that Peter submitted them.









Peter also apparently sold his Kembla Grange property going back to the end of June when I was first alerted about it: http://www.eldersrealestate.com.au/r...-grange-575892

Yet he still lists his address as Newton Park as of August 12th so either he just entered the wrong address lol on the ASIC papers or he sold to someone he knows *cough* his wife or family member/friend so he could appear to have little assets. For a company that is supposed to have been wiped out with no assets, why is he still filing docs with ASIC?

[shari91]

Hi all,

As you know I am trying to get my son in laws, James Mallett, money back for him, he is owed £2500 and with his first child due next week I am doing everything I can.

To date I have received seven replies from law firms in Australia all expressing an interest but without definite commitments by email and amount owed I will not be able to gather a total that I can work with upon further contact with them.

The exact amount owed you'll never properly get unless someone who worked there stole screenshots. I have yet to see them after this long so I suspect they don't exist. There is a tally in this thread of people who reported being owed and that amount was advised to you above. ^^^ But that doesn't include those who never came to SBR nor the majority of those in Asia which is where the bulk of Canbet's business came from if their former employee is correct.

[simply]

I don't know which amount lawyer could take for this case, so I offered 20-30%, but I will offer even more if necessary. Do we need to resubmit new list for class action against Canbet? Maybe SBR administrators could help us with new list (to put some link on sbr site, where interested for action will apply and report money owed)? I don't understand what is changed in above documents, but I assume that Peter again do some manipulation with his IGAS company, and according to ASIC there is nothing wrong here. I see this whole situation as shame for Australia as country, while some fraudsters which stole millions of dollars from people walk around free for almost year after steal, they arrested men on Australian Open charging him for fixing tennis matches, while he actually only sent scores using his phone.

[paybk99]

i owe $5000 i can donate 20-30% too. please someone get a lawyer.

[paybk99]

what is SBR doing now? cant they go and interview Peter and get some reply.

[goonerash]

Same here Guybrush, i had problems with canbet payouts 4 years ago and was always aware of the bad SB rating. Think i was struggling to make money at the time and was seduced by the bonus despite smelling a rat.

[simply]

If I remember good some of SBR administrators earlier told to us that they are in contact with Peter and company regarding this case. So it will be good that SBR contact Canbet directors for some new information about this case. Last info(lie) from their side is that they almost sold Canbet assets and that we will be payed. That was about 6 months ago, and we have no any update from their side. The worst thing is that fraudsters are still on freedom, although ASIC confirmed that directors are also involved in some others frauds, but of course there is no necessary for any kind of investigation. Just think if ASIC behave same if they lost their own money on Canbet. Who cares about couple of hundreds or thousands people which money disappeared, that is just a couple of millions of dollars, not a big deal, and because of that it is absolutely no necessary for any kind of investigation. I sent them a mail and they even didn't respond to me.

[RyDLloyd]

OK So I got an alert from a website here in the UK that I set up to alert me for changes to Canbet's status - Canbet Sports Bookmakers UK Limited have changed their name to 4607216 LIMITED as of 11th August 2014.... Not sure what this means

[RyDLloyd]

Also noticed change of registered address in the UK to

1A Rugby Road
Big Yellow Suite 5850
Twickenham
TW1 1DG

And finally company accounts for the period to 30 June 2013 filed on 7 August 2014. As at 30 June 2013 Canbet had net worth of -£826,424

[marinemonk]

Prob how much they owe in £

[RyDLloyd]

Well yes exactly, but that was as at 30 June 2013, before the bulk of the slow paying commenced in the second half of 2013.

You have got to wonder also, what are they trying to achieve by changing the company name, does this render the CCJ I have against Canbet Sports Bookmakers Limited invalid? I think not.

Big Yellow is a storage facility by the way, how companies house allow that to be the registered address of a company is beyond me.

[RyDLloyd]

I cant recall if any of this has been mentioned before, but the parent company of the now 4607216 LIMITED remains to be the company previously known as CANBET UK LTD who is now known as AA6559609 LIMITED, still owned by INTERACTIVE GAMING & SPORTS PTY LTD with the ultimate parent company of YIN KHING INVESTMENTS LTD a company registered in Singapore

[shari91]

what is SBR doing now? cant they go and interview Peter and get some reply.

If I remember good some of SBR administrators earlier told to us that they are in contact with Peter and company regarding this case. So it will be good that SBR contact Canbet directors for some new information about this case. Last info(lie) from their side is that they almost sold Canbet assets and that we will be payed. That was about 6 months ago, and we have no any update from their side. The worst thing is that fraudsters are still on freedom, although ASIC confirmed that directors are also involved in some others frauds, but of course there is no necessary for any kind of investigation. Just think if ASIC behave same if they lost their own money on Canbet. Who cares about couple of hundreds or thousands people which money disappeared, that is just a couple of millions of dollars, not a big deal, and because of that it is absolutely no necessary for any kind of investigation. I sent them a mail and they even didn't respond to me.

You guys need to remember, SBR is not involved in this. SBR has never had a relationship with Canbet so the statements we could get were just bonuses. There is no "Peter to go get to reply" because unless he makes himself available to a website he never had a relationship with, then there's nothing. If you contact people and they don't reply your answer is zero.

I know there are various ways things are going in here but for me I'd be focusing on Australia. Trying to get the UK to not only lift the corporate veil but then to chase these guys down when there are already judgements out there against them seems a bit remarkable. I'd say focus on the Aussie lawyers but again I have no $ involved so best of luck with it all xo