Player vs Oddsmaker dispute

[SBR Natalie]

Scam sportsbook Oddsmaker threatens player

An Oddsmaker Sportsbook (SBR rating F) player has filed a complaint alleging that he has been threatened with legal action over an account dispute. The player claims that after researching Oddsmaker's history he decided he wanted his account to be closed. Oddsmaker ignored the request, leading to the skirmish.

[tto827]

Good video.

Thoroughly confused though as to why people got infractions/bans for posting pictures and stating names in the BI fiasco, but SBR is allowed to state the first and last name of an employee for oddsmaker.

Also, why do legit books use the same CC blacklist as scum companies like this?

[SBR Forum]

Thoroughly confused though as to why people got infractions/bans for posting pictures and stating names in the BI fiasco, but SBR is allowed to state the first and last name of an employee for oddsmaker.

Also, why do legit books use the same CC blacklist as scum companies like this?

It's a fake name & he signs all emails with it. Real names aren't permitted, not XYZ from Live Help or who answers the phone.

[tto827]

Thanks. Appreciate the response.

[robmpink]

I missed the video when A+ book Tony threatened harm on the player.

[SBR Forum]

I missed the video when A+ book Tony threatened harm on the player.

I thought the report did a good job of illustrating that in a perfect world the player makes good, and so does the house with the $250,000+ it has admitted confiscating from winning players.

[raydog]

haha...who cares if they close the acct. or not? how hard is it to never go back to the site again...might as well keep the coin now...enjoy the stress you have given yourself and enjoy the blacklist that you have probably been put on... your bonehead curiosity could give you quite a few headaches if you plan on continuing to bet offshore

[slash]

The guy didn't **** so he cannot be on any list, can he?

[shari91]

The guy didn't ***** so he cannot be on any list, can he?

Yeah I don't get it either. Someone like raydog or touchback would have more of an idea I suppose. Although I do agree with raydog in that I don't understand the desire some people have with having an account officially closed. I can see it if they're trying to curb a gambling addiction but if it's simply because you've come to learn a book is shady then it doesn't make sense to me. I have dormant accounts heaps of places that never cross my mind any more. Or maybe I'm missing something with this particular case?

[djefferis]

Ok..oddsmaker is a potential scam, most players get that...

What I dont get is the published statement that oddsmaker has no legal authority to threaten to collect on a debt..as they are not licensed in the US. Isnt the entire argument on sportsbooks and SBR's advertising to US customers predicated on the fact books are physically located out of the US and abiding by the local code...and not required to obtain a US license??

It is a violation of FDCPA, but no ones claiming that law applies with the alleged creditor. Same principle as payday lending on territorial land or out of CR..they can solicit customers, pursue a judgement in their domiciled location and then file a foreign judgement lien in a US court...Iits up to the US court to decide to accept It..not validate the debt or affirm a foreign courts findings Iin a case. The contract was entered Iinto based on CR law..not US law. The players citizenship or location at the time of agreement doesnt make it a US case.

[djefferis]

And FWIW...having SBR mediate a decision between a player and oddsmaker is like having North Korea mediate a dispute between a citizen and the US government.

The verdict is decided before the first piece of evidence is heard. The player here is a moron..dont play at F books and then threaten them and you dont have these issues.

[SBR Forum]

The contract was entered Iinto based on CR law..not US law.

Actually Oddsmaker is run out of a marketing office in Canada and their company is incorporated in the Philippines where they also run some support, not CR.

[SBR Forum]

And FWIW...having SBR mediate a decision between a player and oddsmaker is like having North Korea mediate a dispute between a citizen and the US government.

The verdict is decided before the first piece of evidence is heard. The player here is a moron..dont play at F books and then threaten them and you dont have these issues.

This is a dispute where all the cards are on the table. There's not too many ways to interpret. Yes he owes his lost deposits back, but his funds were in all likelihood never at risk, as Oddsmaker have themselves admitted not paying players who are "non recreational". They've stolen over $250,000 just that we know about. A scam sportsbook ended up with the short end of the straw for a change.

[touchback]

Nice job on all the video content. This guy is blacklisted by now... the CC probably did it as soon as they returned the funds (gaming cc processors are not in the business of returning money, it is a one way deal) but considering this Tony guys overall demeanor I would say it is a safe wager that he went and put the customer on every negative list he could get his hands on.

[shari91]

The more I've thought about this, here we go:

Anyone who blackmails a book is scum to me.

This person was repaid purely because he threatened a book. All money that he lost legit betting. If I were someone that was owed cash from Oddsmaker I couldn't help but to feel pissed off and like that money should've gone to someone who was part of the $250k stiffed so far.

Yes it's a bad book. I think there's no one in forumland who would say it's a good book. But I don't agree that because they're scum that we should ruin the few (one?) processor they have because as soon as that goes it's sayonara to the hopes of any legit clients getting paid out.

I think there's more to this story than what we're being told because realistically as bettors none of us care if our accounts go dormant. If someone is going to run off with our details they will whether we're active or not. Something is happening with this case that we're not aware of but either way, as much as I despise what Oddsmaker is doing to my friends I can't agree with this method of dealing with them. I'm sorry.

[touchback]

I have to agree with Shari about things not exactly adding up. I have never heard of a service returning all of a customers deposits on their own, threat or no threat . Either way, the player did not actually do a *** and I still consider it karma considering how many customers have had problems with this crew.

[shari91]

I have to agree with Shari about things not exactly adding up. I have never heard of a service returning all of a customers deposits on their own, threat or no threat . Either way, the player did not actually do a *** and I still consider it karma considering how many customers have had problems with this crew.

Part of me considers it karma too if I believed in karma. They're getting hosed now for what they've done to other people. However my problem lies in the fact that this person actually bet and lost that cash so the people who do deserve the good *karma* still aren't receiving it. He bet and lost. What about the 250k from people who won???? His method of trying to close his account because he suddenly realised they're not a good book shouldn't be applauded. There has to be a piece missing to this puzzle touchy because it just doesn't make sense.

[Amphiptere]

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[touchback]

I have been thinking about this missing puzzle piece... a valid reason to go out of ones way to have an account closed instead of just forgetting about it is in the hopes of being removed from future marketing and sales campaigns. Considering the crew involved this would be the only plausible answer to our little riddle... would you not agree.

[raydog]

sure, that 1 or 2 phone calls a year, that you dont answer, must be the reason.... haha ... i agree, not wanting to be solicited has to be the only reason, but this guy seems to have done it for no reason and thought he was being smart ..doesnt realize that pulling asshole shit like threatening *** or committing fraud have only made it harder for everyone else to deposit and wd over the years...

[slash]

What the hell is all this censoring about??? Maybe I am just surprised and not used to this, as I happen to be born and live in one of the only free countries in the world.

[djefferis]

Actually Oddsmaker is run out of a marketing office in Canada and their company is incorporated in the Philippines where they also run some support, not CR.

Ok..point taken. Phillipino law (if there actually is such a thing) takes precedent here..not CR as I originally stated.

Regardless of where there marketing office is located..its where the person taking the funds and the wager is that matters (agree, phillipines is most likely where any transactions are processed for obvious reasons).

The marketing office has no standing on where they are domiciled..by that logic SBR is domiciled in the USA...because I got my free papa johns pizza from down the street and my free shirt from a us "co". In reality these are just entities who enter into agreements with SBR to deliver items..like oddsmakers marketing firm does with the parent co.

SBR agrees rightly that the player owes the book...but then goes on to state funds were never at risk, so in essence theft is allowable in this instance?!? HOW? What criteria were applied to determine oddsmaker never has paid a player..the theft of free funds or tagging a player wagering 50k in a few weeks non rec and declining to pay them..the evidence isnt quite there yet. Now if we had 30 players deposit 500 there..and they refused to pay all 30 winnings, there you have solid evidence...after all evidence is not a gut feeling that someones a thief.

Finally, SBR is right in lableing this a bomb on a plane threat..and if I walk onto a plane, announce I have a bomb and they have to cancel the flight...am I not responsible to the airline for the lost revenue and cost of rescheduling 180 passengers and crew? I cost them more than the cost of my ticket..and owe them accordingly.

You need to be more selective on the cases you publish..clearly more to this story than a playrr going on chat saying close my account or I **********..no one gives back 2k without reason. As mentioned before..why is it when a similar stunt with a player wishing cancer on a 5D employee and getting account frozen not worthy of a story..but this is? One was a completely crass and unacceptable move...this is threatning a business. Player was wrong both times, but blaming the victim is worse...no matter what the victims record is (or is publicized by SBR).

[Amphiptere]

I calmly offered to send them a check for the full amount that they took upon themselves to return to me. They did it to protect their illegal business, so they could continue stealing money from winning players. This was his response:

"Bastard!! I ******ing told you we do not take ***. You bastard!!! Either send the ****ing **** as that is the ONLY option or Is wear to the lord almighty my lawyers will ruin your name and credit and sue you through the *****ing teeth. You have proof you send a **** with a receipt you bastard!! I need to enter the**** on my end you bastard!!! Oddsmaker is based out of the Philippines you *****ing bastard!"

This lunatic wants me to do him a favor and go to a **** location and send cash to a random person in the Philippeans (****** ***). I said I wasn't comfortable with that, because what would stop him from continuing to threaten me until I sent him more money. He could just pretend the money was never sent. They are criminals, remember?. This was his response:

"**** you thieving prick. I will make sure they sue your thieving *****ing ass you bastard."

Raise your hand if you'd be willing to help this person.

And what's what all the comments about me needing a good reason to have my account closed? What does it matter, it's not asking that much. I was more annoyed that they were ignoring me (again), than I was about not having my account closed.

[lecubs28]

oddsmaker guy sounds like he is fukkin insane. wouldn't send him a penny tell him to go get fukked

[djefferis]

Wait..so now its their "illegal" business? And you had no knowledge this was illegal until after sending money..or is it that you were willing to overlook this fact until things didnt go your way?

You offer to send a check, which they declined (as would I..why should a person who threatened my financial procesor be entitled to see who I bank with to use it against me), but decline to send via an alternate method claiming funds could be stolen ( what prevents this from happening to your check? )

Heres the solution...you trust SBR..so lets allow SBR to act as mediator and receive the funds on behalf of oddsmaker...and in turn they can return funds to oddsmaker (after all, they agreed the returned funds are owed to oddsmaker). How about oddsmaker step up here and have the funds donated to charity with proof of this being provided by SBR staff on receipt of funds from the player.

Hell, make it happen and I may use oddsmaker this season.

[onemoregoal]

I would have spent the money by now...zzz
just keep it, ignore his emails and move on.

[touchback]

Well, the player did not deserve the refunds and as far as I am concerned Oddsmaker does not deserve them either so the only thing left is a charity and a posted receipt... the end.