Alliance analysis as requested...

**goombah** · 01-30-13, 04:12 PM

Says a lot to have such a strong endorsement.

**dark star** · 01-30-13, 05:33 PM

I also have had positive experiences with this shop

**PharaohUB** · 01-30-13, 11:47 PM

Alliance seems solid, but I'm always skeptical of sites that use others software. I like books with their own IT dept. It indicates they are solid financially. When I know betrevolution clearly has a solid team of IT professionals making 100K+ a year. It makes me feel a bit better about my 5k balance. Alliance on same platform as *****, betislands, easystreet, 7redsports, etc, and many before them. It's an outsource company who handles that side of the biz. So you're left with customer service and sales people running the company(financial transactions are all outsourced too). Me and my buddy and 3 costa ricans can start a book like alliance. To get what heritage, bookmaker, betrevolution, etc have you need an IT dept, HR people to recruit good IT people, solid linesmakers and risk management people, more good HR people to find those people, cash flow, etc. etc. When you can tell a site easily cost a million to design and bring up their website, you can feel safer they won't walk with your money. For all you know alliance promised 30% stake in their company to host their business. Just my two cents.

I will probably use Alliance again when I get a good offer, but never with a big balance. Good luck.

**tto827** · 01-31-13, 01:13 AM

Pharaoh, you have positive experiences with BetRev? I've heard mixed reviews.

**paxton32** · 01-31-13, 04:02 AM

they stiffed me out..and just ignore me...BAD BOOK

**PharaohUB** · 01-31-13, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by tto827

Pharaoh, you have positive experiences with BetRev? I've heard mixed reviews.

. Zero complaints. If you pay attention to roll over rules you will have no problem here. What issues have you heard? It's not for big timers as you can only withdraw a couple k a week. It's the book to have if you are recreational in my opinion

**Hankwins** · 01-31-13, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by paxton32

they stiffed me out..and just ignore me...BAD BOOK

you have zero credability and dumb non believeable story. give it a rest.

**tto827** · 01-31-13, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

. Zero complaints. If you pay attention to roll over rules you will have no problem here. What issues have you heard? It's not for big timers as you can only withdraw a couple k a week. It's the book to have if you are recreational in my opinion

I've just heard its very mom and pop. I haven't seen any payout complaints (why I was still considering playing there). Mainly people that I trust just overall speaking poorly of it. Heard they have some weak lines occasionally, so probably will be the next place I post up at.

**touchback** · 01-31-13, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Alliance seems solid, but I'm always skeptical of sites that use others software. I like books with their own IT dept. It indicates they are solid financially. When I know betrevolution clearly has a solid team of IT professionals making 100K+ a year. It makes me feel a bit better about my 5k balance. Alliance on same platform as *****, betislands, easystreet, 7redsports, etc, and many before them. It's an outsource company who handles that side of the biz. So you're left with customer service and sales people running the company(financial transactions are all outsourced too). Me and my buddy and 3 costa ricans can start a book like alliance. To get what heritage, bookmaker, betrevolution, etc have you need an IT dept, HR people to recruit good IT people, solid linesmakers and risk management people, more good HR people to find those people, cash flow, etc. etc. When you can tell a site easily cost a million to design and bring up their website, you can feel safer they won't walk with your money. For all you know alliance promised 30% stake in their company to host their business. Just my two cents.

I will probably use Alliance again when I get a good offer, but never with a big balance. Good luck.

Pharaoh... ya, pretty sharp post. I hear ya... as the industry evolves and technology has completely saturated the customer base of North America we are seeing a far higher percent of service access via internet which is driven by mobile access and the influence of live wagering. What was, as a call center, once needed... say 80 wagering clerks can now be done with less than twenty... Also, many places are looking to cut operational expenses such as larger IT infrastructure and staffing which is indicated by recent mergers and consolidations... in the last 24 months. You will see more of this down the road... main reasons are the current economic situation so there is just less stupid and or reckless money in the revenue streams which means reduced handles and a higher percentage of sharp action. Live wagering and mobile has helped offset this dynamic but is a continuing downward spiralwhich is forseen by some of the smarter operators. So if you are jumping into the public sector service outsourcing is a good move if you can get a sweet heart deal... which all the old timers can get by connects. The Johnny come lates will pay through the nose which can stress a start up with the usual marketing of the nice bonuses for building customer base... so I really look at the backing and upper management but yes, Alliance is more of a recreationalbook unlike a Bet365, Pinnacle or Bookmaker / DSI deal were it is wiser to send or keepa balance of 5dimes or 10dimes... These smaller recreational books are good for a nickel or dime and to withdrawal when you get up to 3 to 5dimes... ut every solid out is a must if you got any skills,we all know have fast the limits or the door can come... I am also kind of liking BetRevolution.. they seem to be making the right moves and have goo infrastructure so they are surely here to stay...
I do think extreme caution should be used with new Johnny come lately skins with no callcenter and no infrastructure and questionable backing throwing around huge bonuses... it is an eventual problematic scene at best.

**touchback** · 01-31-13, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Hankwins

you have zero credability and dumb non believeable story. give it a rest.

Hank, how was your throw down with YouWager, you crack em or what buddy...

**erickvivar** · 01-31-13, 03:34 PM

BetRevolution guys, personally, I love them, they have their act together, like Pharaon said, it is all about the details and they pay attention to those. But browse around and check comments from people who actually play there and find out by yourself, thats the best way to find out.

**Hankwins** · 01-31-13, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by touchback

Hank, how was your throw down with YouWager, you crack em or what buddy...

lost in the casino, emailed them today to see if they wanted to give me a better than average reload, as i was writing that email i got a call from aces sportsbook. i am depositing there tomorrow, taking a big freeplay and setting some aside for the poker room(america's cardroom) . looking forward to some serious gambling, i make even attempt at a little bank roll managment.

**paxton32** · 01-31-13, 05:31 PM

Dummy

**touchback** · 01-31-13, 05:31 PM

The frickn casino... oh well. I just made a post about casino algorithms, holds, and RNGs... under the Heritage casino thread. Check it out...

**BigDaddy** · 01-14-14, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by touchback

Originally Posted by Alltheway
Touch you seem to have great knowledge of the industry , I happen to know a few people as well what is your take on Alliance?

ALL, appreciate your trust or inquisitive nature when it comes to my opinion... I will be more than happy to do what you ask but because it will be more detailed I would have to touch base with someone before I do it if you know what I mean... initially will just say your money is safe. Will comment further if I get the go ahead buddy and explain all the parameters-variables behind my opinion. Fair enough? Give me a day or two...

Alliance... a quick review as requested by Alltheway...

Here we go...
The backing is from an industry icon of over 20yrs and has strong finances.
The GM also has 20yrs experience with very successful brands and runs a solid service, using good business sense when it comes to taking or posting up sharp action and minimizing risk by keeping limits proportional to deposit size. The only way you are going to get higher limits at Alliance is if you send larger deposits and request higher limits, this is a smart move.
I personally know the guy and he has been as straight as an arrow for the last 2 decades unlike a lot of scoundrels in this business nowadays.
The risk exposure team on the lines is very experienced and can also deal with any sharp action as needed.
The platform is DGS and offers Live Wagering and Mobile as well as any of the lines any big house would offer including MMA and UFC. They have overnights as well as grading games fast which everyone wants. Lines are set off of Pinny and a consensus of the big houses and are moved using an auto mover tracking Pinny as well as pushing off of known consistent sharp action to fill the wheel.
The office manager has at least 10yrs experience and is very professional and also keeps a sharp eye on things when the GM is not around.
The withdrawals overall have been exceedingly and consistently fast with average p2p same day or within a couple days... nothing is perfect and there is always an exception here and there but we are looking at consistency.
Alliance had a decent marketing budget that went to generous bonuses to gain brand traction after being a private service... really, a 100% or 110% bonus when a shop is run in a manner to be around long enough to pay winners.
They offer free half points and not off of 3 or 7 like another place did as well as having decent contests throughout the year.
There will be no open leg Round Robins or repeat sharp bonuses which also indicate a well run shop.
Customers can also qualify for one free p2p payout every 30 days which is not too shabby nowadays.
Also, they run their sales department pretty respectfully and the sales team also has many years in the industry which adds to the service experience any player would want.
This would technically be the schill of all schills but like I said I do not work for them and receive nothing as well as I was asked to do this and would not have if not. I might get a free lunch if I am lucky... have to pick someplace nice. Anyway... I believe they are here to stay for a while and may be one of the bigger providers down the road and any deposit with them should be safe.

that didnt last long.

i knew when this poster arrived spouting off on betislands etc he was a big penetrating douchebag.