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  • tukkk
    SBR Sharp
    • 10-04-10
    • 391

    #141
    Originally posted by PuffPaffy
    He Tukk, I'm wondering at which point you'd give up on your model. You obviously run terrible, but what is the determing factor to abandon your model? Z-score 3.0+? Or you just grind it out untill a certain #bets to get a better sample-size?

    Anyway, best of luck!
    hei, i really dont see why i should give up or whats wrong with model, any thoughts/suggestions are appreciated.
    my volume will improve alot during the next month, when i will be posting all the leagues that are atm starting new season, then i will get a decent sample size.
    my model has been running since the beginning of the year and it is constantly achieving 4+ % closing line ROI, that means im taking Pinny´s opener and it im beating the no-vig closer for 4,15% ROI year to date
    here is a break-down which proves to me, that i beat pretty much every league, be it top league or small
    i myself am not seeing any other problem besides variance, again suggestions are welcome, im trying to improve my model
    ---
    2012 YTD (*vol = games wagered/all games)
    ---
    589 4,15% 7,5%
    n cl roi vol
    1 Allsvenskan 7 2,27% 7%
    2 Argentina B 11 5,09% 7%
    3 Argentine 11 -1,72% 11%
    4 Australia 2 4,35% 3%
    5 Austri RZ EL 4 7,90% 6%
    6 Austrian 3 4,97% 4%
    7 Belgian 9 5,35% 10%
    8 Belgian 2 2 7,62% 1%
    9 Brazil Ser A 5 -1,90% 5%
    10 Brazil Ser B 7 3,62% 7%
    11 Bundesliga 9 2,75% 6%
    12 Bundesliga 2 11 2,63% 8%
    13 Bundesliga 3 2 1,63% 1%
    14 Canadian SL 5 12,72% 11%
    15 Chilean 4 8,21% 7%
    16 Colombia A 0
    17 Croati 1.HNL 4 7,68% 5%
    18 Czech 13 4,01% 15%
    19 Cyprus 1st D 0 0%
    20 Danish 1 9 3,77% 11%
    21 Danish L 1 3,65% 2%
    22 Dutch 1 30 3,05% 21%
    23 Dutch 2 15 4,62% 11%
    24 Ecuador A 0 0%
    25 Eng L1 13 4,58% 5%
    26 Eng L2 5 3,33% 2%
    27 Eng. Chship 7 6,58% 3%
    28 Eng. Conf. 17 3,12% 8%
    29 Eng. Premier 17 0,19% 8%
    30 Finnish V 4 0,66% 4%
    31 France 3 7 6,64% 4%
    32 French 1 14 2,01% 7%
    33 French 2 4 5,02% 2%
    34 Greek 14 5,13% 12%
    35 Hungary BL 6 -0,21% 7%
    36 Icelandic 11 4,41% 20%
    37 Irish 12 4,49% 14%
    38 Irish Div1 16 4,03% 27%
    39 Israel Prem 5 0,25% 5%
    40 J2 League 9 6,11% 4%
    41 J-League 11 1,73% 9%
    42 La Liga 30 4,77% 15%
    43 LFPB 0
    44 Mexican 9 -0,66% 11%
    45 N. Ireland P 4 -4,79% 6%
    46 N.Zealand Ch 5 9,84% 45%
    47 Norwegian 1 7 7,82% 8%
    48 Norwegian T 6 7,89% 6%
    49 Paraguay 0 0%
    50 Paulista 11 8,46% 12%
    51 Peru 1 3 -1,13% 3%
    52 Poland O E 6 2,37% 7%
    53 Portuguese 12 -1,36% 9%
    54 Portuguese 2 2 0,90% 2%
    55 Romania 1 13 3,72% 10%
    56 Scot 1 3 -1,22% 3%
    57 Scot 2 14 4,33% 15%
    58 Scot 3 16 4,17% 16%
    59 Scot Premier 3 4,71% 4%
    60 Segunda Liga 18 9,94% 7%
    61 Serbia SL 10 2,53% 12%
    62 Serie A 16 4,48% 8%
    63 Serie B 10 3,71% 5%
    64 Slovakia CL 4 5,85% 5%
    65 SloveniaPrva 3 -1,29% 5%
    66 Superettan 6 7,25% 6%
    67 Swiss 5 3,91% 9%
    68 Swiss 2 9 10,40% 9%
    69 Turkey SL 14 1,80% 10%
    70 Ukraine P L 11 0,97% 19%
    71 Uruguay 1 0 0%
    72 USA (NASL) 1 8,76% 6%
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    • PuffPaffy
      SBR Rookie
      • 06-23-12
      • 30

      #142
      Definitely not suggesting you should give up or anything, was just wondering at which point results are due to a model, not variance. If, lets say n=300 or 500, would/could that still be variance? Just trying to figure out for myself when results are significant enough to abandon a model.

      GLGLGL
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      • tukkk
        SBR Sharp
        • 10-04-10
        • 391

        #143
        consider hypothesis that my model is wrong.
        do you realize what then would have to work?
        you would just bet closing lines that fade line movement and make a boatload.

        in my opinion what has happened to this thread is extreme variance and i definetly dont expect such dramatic movement in the future, hopefully i am starting to get good volume in the coming month so we´ll see what happens.
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        • tukkk
          SBR Sharp
          • 10-04-10
          • 391

          #144
          Pending :
          18.08 J-League FC Tokyo Omiya Ardija over 2,25 @ 1,78 1,78%
          18.08 J-League Sagan Tosu Shimizu S Pulse over 2 @ 1,83 3,34%
          26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
          Adding :
          18.08 Chilean Palestino Rangers Talca under 2,5 @ 1,87 1,94% 188Bet
          18.08 Chilean Union La Calera Union San Felipe under 2,5 @ 1,91 2,02% SBObet
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          • tukkk
            SBR Sharp
            • 10-04-10
            • 391

            #145
            Pending :
            18.08 J-League FC Tokyo Omiya Ardija over 2,25 @ 1,78 1,78%
            18.08 J-League Sagan Tosu Shimizu S Pulse over 2 @ 1,83 3,34%
            18.08 Chilean Palestino Rangers Talca under 2,5 @ 1,87 1,94%
            18.08 Chilean Union La Calera Union San Felipe under 2,5 @ 1,91 2,02%
            26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%

            Adding :
            18.08 Ecuador A LDU Quito Deportivo Cuenca under 2,25 @ 1,90 1,64% SBObet
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            • tukkk
              SBR Sharp
              • 10-04-10
              • 391

              #146
              results at the moment
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              • tukkk
                SBR Sharp
                • 10-04-10
                • 391

                #147
                Pending :
                26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                Adding :
                20.08 Irish Sligo Rovers UC Dublin over 3 @ 1,80 2,31% SBObet
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                • tukkk
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 10-04-10
                  • 391

                  #148
                  Pending :
                  20.08 Irish Sligo Rovers UC Dublin over 3 @ 1,80 2,31% + 3 @ 1,99 0,70% Dafabet
                  26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                  Adding :
                  22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30% Pinnacle
                  Comment
                  • tukkk
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 10-04-10
                    • 391

                    #149
                    Pending :
                    20.08 Irish Sligo Rovers UC Dublin over 3 @ 1,80 2,31% & 3 @ 1,99 0,70%
                    22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30%
                    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                    Adding :
                    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10% Pinnacle
                    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68% 188Bet
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                    • tukkk
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 10-04-10
                      • 391

                      #150
                      Pending :
                      22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30%
                      25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                      26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                      26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                      Adding :
                      24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62% Pinnacle
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                      • tukkk
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 10-04-10
                        • 391

                        #151
                        Pending :
                        22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30%
                        24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
                        25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                        26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                        26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                        Adding :
                        26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81% SBObet
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                        • tukkk
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 10-04-10
                          • 391

                          #152
                          small datastream error, will update later
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                          • tukkk
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 10-04-10
                            • 391

                            #153
                            ...
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                            • tukkk
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 10-04-10
                              • 391

                              #154
                              oh, still problems with ukrainian data lol
                              Comment
                              • tukkk
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 10-04-10
                                • 391

                                #155
                                Pending :
                                22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30%
                                24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
                                25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                Adding :
                                25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36% Pinnacle
                                25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02% Pinnacle
                                26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96% Pinnacle
                                26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08% Pinnacle
                                Comment
                                • tukkk
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 10-04-10
                                  • 391

                                  #156
                                  Pending :
                                  22.08 J2 League Roasso Kumamoto Thespa Kusatsu under 2 @ 2,12 1,30%
                                  24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
                                  25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                  25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
                                  25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
                                  26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                  26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                  26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                  26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                  26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                  Adding :
                                  26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83% Pinnacle
                                  Comment
                                  • tukkk
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 10-04-10
                                    • 391

                                    #157
                                    Pending :
                                    24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
                                    25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                    25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
                                    25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
                                    26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                    26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                    26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                    26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                    26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
                                    26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                    Adding :
                                    25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% Pinnacle
                                    Comment
                                    • tukkk
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 10-04-10
                                      • 391

                                      #158
                                      Pending :
                                      24.08 Danish L Nordsjælland Sonderjyske over 2,25 @ 1,60 0,62%
                                      25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                      25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
                                      25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
                                      25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% + 2 @ 2,50 0,22% Pinnacle
                                      26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                      26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                      26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                      26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                      26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
                                      26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                      Adding :
                                      24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85% SBObet
                                      Comment
                                      • tukkk
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 10-04-10
                                        • 391

                                        #159
                                        Pending :
                                        24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85%
                                        25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                        25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
                                        25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
                                        25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
                                        26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                        26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                        26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                        26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                        26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
                                        26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                        Adding :
                                        25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43% Pinnacle
                                        26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04% Pinnacle
                                        Comment
                                        • tukkk
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 10-04-10
                                          • 391

                                          #160
                                          Pending :
                                          24.08 Canadian SL SC Toronto York Region Shooters over 3 @ 1,96 1,85% + 3 @ 2,56 1,10% Dafabet
                                          25.08 J-League Gamba Osaka Consadole Sapporo over 3,25 @ 1,72 0,68%
                                          25.08 Ukraine P L Illychivets Hoverla Uzhhorod over 2,25 @ 1,87 1,36%
                                          25.08 Ukraine P L Dynamo Kyiv Chernomorets Odessa over 3 @ 2,32 1,02%
                                          25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43%
                                          25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
                                          26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                          26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                          26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                          26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                          26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
                                          26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                          26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04%
                                          Comment
                                          • tukkk
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 10-04-10
                                            • 391

                                            #161
                                            Pending :
                                            25.08 Chilean Colo Colo Cobreloa under 3 @ 1,61 2,43%
                                            25.08 Brazil Ser A Ponte Preta Portuguesa Desportos under 2 @ 2,38 1,29% & 2 @ 2,50 0,22%
                                            26.08 Ukraine P L Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Volyn over 2,25 @ 1,72 1,96%
                                            26.08 Finnish V Inter Turku Jaro over 3 @ 2,06 0,81%
                                            26.08 Norwegian T Haugesund Stabaek over 3,25 @ 2,10 0,82%
                                            26.08 Ukraine P L Shakhtar Donetsk Karpaty Lviv over 3 @ 1,88 4,08%
                                            26.08 Norwegian 1 Sarpsborg 08 Tromsdalen over 3,25 @ 1,60 3,83%
                                            26.08 Danish L Brondby IF Esbjerg under 2,75 @ 1,80 1,10%
                                            26.08 Chilean Universidad Catolica Unión La Calera under 3 @ 1,74 2,04%
                                            Adding :
                                            25.08 Canadian SL Niagara United St. Catharines Wolves under 3 @ 2,46 0,99% Pinnacle
                                            Comment
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