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  • mav924
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-06-09
    • 718

    #876
    TheAntFather this has been discussed several times in the thread but here is a link that will explain it best:

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    • TheAntFather
      SBR MVP
      • 03-14-11
      • 3021

      #877
      Thank you. It seems 5Dimes and BI doesn't have Dutch football.
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      • BettingHedgehog
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 07-12-10
        • 667

        #878
        Hi All,

        Willem won 2-0 against 10 men.
        Today i will lay the draw in the Furth-Rostock game.

        Good luck and have a nice day!

        BH
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        • mav924
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 12-06-09
          • 718

          #879
          GL today BH
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          • pellumb341
            SBR MVP
            • 11-25-11
            • 1183

            #880
            but what is the odd when you lay ? 1.15 ? and how much do you bet on each game , maybe 100 EUR ? i understand your method this way...you lay draw on a match where the home team odd is around 1.5,so the home team is obvious favourite...if the result is let's suppose 2-0 you don't bet any more...if it is 1-0 and you see that you are in dangerous,you bet X around 80-th minute @15.00 odd ...so you make a small profit or you lose a small amount...am i ok ??
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            • TheAntFather
              SBR MVP
              • 03-14-11
              • 3021

              #881
              GL today BH.
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              • BettingHedgehog
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 07-12-10
                • 667

                #882
                Hi All,

                Furth won 3-0, so we had a 100% winner.
                pellumb341 you are right, but the lay odds was for example in the Furth game 4.8.

                Today i will lay the draw in the Atletico Madrid-Rayo Vallecano game.

                Good luck and have a nice day!

                BH
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                • nyplayer33
                  Restricted User
                  • 09-27-06
                  • 8304

                  #883
                  ty and good luck
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                  • pellumb341
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-25-11
                    • 1183

                    #884
                    4.8 ? why is it so high ? please i want to bet too,can you tell me how ? where i can find the section "lay " at betfair ?
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                    • TheAntFather
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-14-11
                      • 3021

                      #885
                      Thanks alot BH!
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                      • mav924
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 12-06-09
                        • 718

                        #886
                        pellumb try this link which should answer you questions

                        http://help.betfair.com/contents/ite.../index.en.html
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                        • pellumb341
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-25-11
                          • 1183

                          #887
                          i just took a look...juventus -cesena...if i lay draw 10 EUR...i win 60 EUR or i lose 50 EUR ...did i get it ?
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                          • mav924
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 12-06-09
                            • 718

                            #888
                            if you the lay draw for 10 euro at 6.0 (5/1) odds, if either team win then you win the 10 euro minus betfair commission but if the match finishes in a draw then you lose 50 euro
                            Last edited by mav924; 12-04-11, 09:55 AM.
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                            • BettingHedgehog
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 07-12-10
                              • 667

                              #889
                              Hi All,

                              Atletico won 3-1 after a 3-0 lead securing us another 100% winner.
                              Today i will lay the draw in the Lazio-Novara game.

                              Good luck and have a nice day!

                              BH
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                              • pellumb341
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-25-11
                                • 1183

                                #890
                                why 10 EUR ? i looked at 6.00 odd and it said payout 60 EUR , liability 50 EUR ...does it mean that there are 2 options: i lose 50 EUR or i win the difference which is 10 EUR ??? WTF ??? i simply bet 50 EUR juventus -cesena 1 @1.2 and it's the same
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                                • pellumb341
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-25-11
                                  • 1183

                                  #891
                                  Originally posted by mav924
                                  if you the lay draw for 10 euro at 6.0 (5/1) odds, if either team win then you win the 10 euro minus betfair commission but if the match finishes in a draw then you lose 50 euro

                                  why 10 EUR ? i looked at 6.00 odd and it said payout 60 EUR , liability 50 EUR ...does it mean that there are 2 options: i lose 50 EUR or i win the difference which is 10 EUR ??? WTF ??? i simply bet 50 EUR juventus -cesena 1 @1.2 and it's the same
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                                  • FindTheLock
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-27-10
                                    • 7194

                                    #892
                                    I think that you're risking 50 to win 10, but if you do this you better make sure you have a live betting outlet so you can hedge like the betting hedgehog
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                                    • TheAntFather
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-14-11
                                      • 3021

                                      #893
                                      Thank you BH.
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                                      • pellumb341
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-25-11
                                        • 1183

                                        #894
                                        Originally posted by FindTheLock
                                        I think that you're risking 50 to win 10, but if you do this you better make sure you have a live betting outlet so you can hedge like the betting hedgehog
                                        i am saying that laying draw makes the same profit like you put home win...for example if you lay draw on Juventus-cesena @6.00 odd, you are risking 50 EUR to win 10 EUR ...if you put 50 EUR on Juventus-cesena 1 @1.2 you also risk 50 EUR to win 10 EUR ...it's the same thing ,but done in different ways
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                                        • mav924
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 12-06-09
                                          • 718

                                          #895
                                          Pellumb when it shows payout, it includes the other person's stake. Since you are laying, you are acting as the bookies thus the payout is the liability + the other person's stake where as liability shows only how much you would pay out if the match ended up in a draw. The difference with betting €50 backing Juventus at 1.2 is that if the match draws or cesena wins then you lose so only 1 out of 3 outcome is in your favour whereas if you lay the draw then if Juventus or Cesena win the match then you win the bet thus you have 2 out of 3 outcomes in your favour. Hope this helps
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                                          • BettingHedgehog
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 07-12-10
                                            • 667

                                            #896
                                            Hi All,

                                            thank you very much for the comments. I usually lay the draw instead of backing the favourite. Sometimes it brings me great presents. This year the 2 biggest surprises were: Leverkusen-Monchengladbach 3-6 and Tottenham-PAOK 1-2. Both were winning trades for me.

                                            Lazio won 3-0, so we had another 100% winner.
                                            Today i will lay the draw in the Dortmund-Marseille game, but only for trading purposes.

                                            Good luck and have a nice day!

                                            BH
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                                            • TheAntFather
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-14-11
                                              • 3021

                                              #897
                                              GL today BH.
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                                              • pellumb341
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-25-11
                                                • 1183

                                                #898
                                                Originally posted by mav924
                                                Pellumb when it shows payout, it includes the other person's stake. Since you are laying, you are acting as the bookies thus the payout is the liability + the other person's stake where as liability shows only how much you would pay out if the match ended up in a draw. The difference with betting €50 backing Juventus at 1.2 is that if the match draws or cesena wins then you lose so only 1 out of 3 outcome is in your favour whereas if you lay the draw then if Juventus or Cesena win the match then you win the bet thus you have 2 out of 3 outcomes in your favour. Hope this helps
                                                yes i know that...but the possibility of away win is very minimal ,like BH said it has happened just twice
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                                                • TheAntFather
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 03-14-11
                                                  • 3021

                                                  #899
                                                  2-0 Borussia Dortmund at HT.
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                                                  • TheAntFather
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 03-14-11
                                                    • 3021

                                                    #900
                                                    Wow! Marseille scored in the last seconds before HT. It's 2-1 now.
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                                                    • BettingHedgehog
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 07-12-10
                                                      • 667

                                                      #901
                                                      Hi All,

                                                      Dortmund lost 2-3 after a 2-0 lead. Another underdog winner, it was not only 2 games such kind this year i just mentioned the Leverkusen and the Tottenham games as the biggest surprises. I was out at 1-0 from the Dortmund game as planned before the match.

                                                      Today i will lay the draw in the Lille-Trabzonspor game.

                                                      Good luck and have a nice day!

                                                      BH
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                                                      • TheAntFather
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-14-11
                                                        • 3021

                                                        #902
                                                        Thank you BH!
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                                                        • BettingHedgehog
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 07-12-10
                                                          • 667

                                                          #903
                                                          Hi All,

                                                          Lille-Trabzonspor finished 0-0 and meither team qualified to the best 16. Lille had a 9-0 corner stat but it was not enough them to score.
                                                          I was out in the 72nd minute at a 2.0 odds for an acceptable loss.

                                                          Today i will lay the draw in the Albacete-Atletico Madrid game.
                                                          Good luck and have a nice day!

                                                          BH
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                                                          • TheAntFather
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 03-14-11
                                                            • 3021

                                                            #904
                                                            GL today BH.
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                                                            • BettingHedgehog
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 07-12-10
                                                              • 667

                                                              #905
                                                              Hi All,

                                                              Albacete won 2-1 after a 2-0 lead.
                                                              Today i will lay the draw in the Braga-Pacos game if i can get an odds of 5.1

                                                              Good luck and have a nice day!

                                                              BH
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                                                              • exshot
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 12-08-11
                                                                • 125

                                                                #906
                                                                Under 2 1/2 for braga game?
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                                                                • BettingHedgehog
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 07-12-10
                                                                  • 667

                                                                  #907
                                                                  Hi All,

                                                                  Braga won 5-2 securing us a 100% winner.
                                                                  Today i will lay the draw in the Bremen-Wolfsburg game.

                                                                  Good luck and have a nice day!

                                                                  BH
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                                                                  • TheAntFather
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 03-14-11
                                                                    • 3021

                                                                    #908
                                                                    Thank you BH!
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                                                                    • BettingHedgehog
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 07-12-10
                                                                      • 667

                                                                      #909
                                                                      Hi All,

                                                                      Bremen won 4-1, so we had another 100% winner.
                                                                      Today i will lay the draw in the Udinese-Chievo game.

                                                                      Good luck and have a nice day!

                                                                      BH
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                                                                      • superpippo
                                                                        SBR Hustler
                                                                        • 12-11-11
                                                                        • 58

                                                                        #910
                                                                        Thank you BH
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