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**mav924** · 12-02-11, 03:38 AM

TheAntFather this has been discussed several times in the thread but here is a link that will explain it best:

http://help.betfair.com/contents/itemId/i65767722/index.en.html

**TheAntFather** · 12-02-11, 04:02 AM

Thank you. It seems 5Dimes and BI doesn't have Dutch football.

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-03-11, 04:28 AM

Hi All,

Willem won 2-0 against 10 men.
Today i will lay the draw in the Furth-Rostock game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**mav924** · 12-03-11, 05:07 AM

GL today BH

**pellumb341** · 12-03-11, 05:35 AM

but what is the odd when you lay ? 1.15 ? and how much do you bet on each game , maybe 100 EUR ? i understand your method this way...you lay draw on a match where the home team odd is around 1.5,so the home team is obvious favourite...if the result is let's suppose 2-0 you don't bet any more...if it is 1-0 and you see that you are in dangerous,you bet X around 80-th minute @15.00 odd ...so you make a small profit or you lose a small amount...am i ok ??

**TheAntFather** · 12-03-11, 06:39 AM

GL today BH.

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-04-11, 12:40 AM

Hi All,

Furth won 3-0, so we had a 100% winner.
pellumb341 you are right, but the lay odds was for example in the Furth game 4.8.

Today i will lay the draw in the Atletico Madrid-Rayo Vallecano game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**nyplayer33** · 12-04-11, 01:50 AM

ty and good luck

**pellumb341** · 12-04-11, 06:26 AM

4.8 ? why is it so high ? please i want to bet too,can you tell me how ? where i can find the section "lay " at betfair ?

**TheAntFather** · 12-04-11, 06:31 AM

Thanks alot BH!

**mav924** · 12-04-11, 06:34 AM

pellumb try this link which should answer you questions

http://help.betfair.com/contents/ite.../index.en.html

**pellumb341** · 12-04-11, 06:48 AM

i just took a look...juventus -cesena...if i lay draw 10 EUR...i win 60 EUR or i lose 50 EUR ...did i get it ?

**mav924** · 12-04-11, 09:41 AM

if you the lay draw for 10 euro at 6.0 (5/1) odds, if either team win then you win the 10 euro minus betfair commission but if the match finishes in a draw then you lose 50 euro

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-05-11, 12:37 AM

Hi All,

Atletico won 3-1 after a 3-0 lead securing us another 100% winner.
Today i will lay the draw in the Lazio-Novara game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**pellumb341** · 12-05-11, 06:22 AM

why 10 EUR ? i looked at 6.00 odd and it said payout 60 EUR , liability 50 EUR ...does it mean that there are 2 options: i lose 50 EUR or i win the difference which is 10 EUR ??? WTF ??? i simply bet 50 EUR juventus -cesena 1 @1.2 and it's the same

**pellumb341** · 12-05-11, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by mav924

if you the lay draw for 10 euro at 6.0 (5/1) odds, if either team win then you win the 10 euro minus betfair commission but if the match finishes in a draw then you lose 50 euro

why 10 EUR ? i looked at 6.00 odd and it said payout 60 EUR , liability 50 EUR ...does it mean that there are 2 options: i lose 50 EUR or i win the difference which is 10 EUR ??? WTF ??? i simply bet 50 EUR juventus -cesena 1 @1.2 and it's the same

**FindTheLock** · 12-05-11, 06:38 AM

I think that you're risking 50 to win 10, but if you do this you better make sure you have a live betting outlet so you can hedge like the betting hedgehog

**TheAntFather** · 12-05-11, 06:44 AM

Thank you BH.

**pellumb341** · 12-05-11, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

I think that you're risking 50 to win 10, but if you do this you better make sure you have a live betting outlet so you can hedge like the betting hedgehog

i am saying that laying draw makes the same profit like you put home win...for example if you lay draw on Juventus-cesena @6.00 odd, you are risking 50 EUR to win 10 EUR ...if you put 50 EUR on Juventus-cesena 1 @1.2 you also risk 50 EUR to win 10 EUR ...it's the same thing ,but done in different ways

**mav924** · 12-05-11, 01:40 PM

Pellumb when it shows payout, it includes the other person's stake. Since you are laying, you are acting as the bookies thus the payout is the liability + the other person's stake where as liability shows only how much you would pay out if the match ended up in a draw. The difference with betting €50 backing Juventus at 1.2 is that if the match draws or cesena wins then you lose so only 1 out of 3 outcome is in your favour whereas if you lay the draw then if Juventus or Cesena win the match then you win the bet thus you have 2 out of 3 outcomes in your favour. Hope this helps

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-06-11, 02:09 AM

Hi All,

thank you very much for the comments. I usually lay the draw instead of backing the favourite. Sometimes it brings me great presents. This year the 2 biggest surprises were: Leverkusen-Monchengladbach 3-6 and Tottenham-PAOK 1-2. Both were winning trades for me.

Lazio won 3-0, so we had another 100% winner.
Today i will lay the draw in the Dortmund-Marseille game, but only for trading purposes.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**TheAntFather** · 12-06-11, 08:26 AM

GL today BH.

**pellumb341** · 12-06-11, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by mav924

Pellumb when it shows payout, it includes the other person's stake. Since you are laying, you are acting as the bookies thus the payout is the liability + the other person's stake where as liability shows only how much you would pay out if the match ended up in a draw. The difference with betting €50 backing Juventus at 1.2 is that if the match draws or cesena wins then you lose so only 1 out of 3 outcome is in your favour whereas if you lay the draw then if Juventus or Cesena win the match then you win the bet thus you have 2 out of 3 outcomes in your favour. Hope this helps

yes i know that...but the possibility of away win is very minimal ,like BH said it has happened just twice

**TheAntFather** · 12-06-11, 03:35 PM

2-0 Borussia Dortmund at HT.

**TheAntFather** · 12-06-11, 03:41 PM

Wow! Marseille scored in the last seconds before HT. It's 2-1 now.

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-07-11, 02:33 AM

Hi All,

Dortmund lost 2-3 after a 2-0 lead. Another underdog winner, it was not only 2 games such kind this year i just mentioned the Leverkusen and the Tottenham games as the biggest surprises. I was out at 1-0 from the Dortmund game as planned before the match.

Today i will lay the draw in the Lille-Trabzonspor game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**TheAntFather** · 12-07-11, 04:20 AM

Thank you BH!

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-08-11, 02:28 AM

Hi All,

Lille-Trabzonspor finished 0-0 and meither team qualified to the best 16. Lille had a 9-0 corner stat but it was not enough them to score.
I was out in the 72nd minute at a 2.0 odds for an acceptable loss.

Today i will lay the draw in the Albacete-Atletico Madrid game.
Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**TheAntFather** · 12-08-11, 02:33 AM

GL today BH.

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-09-11, 10:42 AM

Hi All,

Albacete won 2-1 after a 2-0 lead.
Today i will lay the draw in the Braga-Pacos game if i can get an odds of 5.1

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**exshot** · 12-09-11, 11:10 AM

Under 2 1/2 for braga game?

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-10-11, 02:35 AM

Hi All,

Braga won 5-2 securing us a 100% winner.
Today i will lay the draw in the Bremen-Wolfsburg game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**TheAntFather** · 12-10-11, 08:24 AM

Thank you BH!

**BettingHedgehog** · 12-11-11, 02:25 AM

Hi All,

Bremen won 4-1, so we had another 100% winner.
Today i will lay the draw in the Udinese-Chievo game.

Good luck and have a nice day!

BH

**superpippo** · 12-11-11, 04:55 AM

Thank you BH