Who Makes All These Soccer Lines??

[jjgold]

Is there a company or is it regional??

How the fuk do they have lines on Div 3 games in lets say Japan or Finland??

Its hard to beleive the numbers are pretty accurate too

[Ace_of_Spades]

Yeah, i'm not entirely sure who makes them.

[LostBankroll]

IDK but I think that out of all the sports Soccer is the one where you can make the most money in. Baseball by far the worst for me.

[Fishhead]

ROXY is a soccer guru

ROXY

[Ace_of_Spades]

IDK but I think that out of all the sports Soccer is the one where you can make the most money in. Baseball by far the worst for me.

100x correct on that.

[jjgold]

I would think soccer experts from around the globe have to make lines

No nit wit service out of vegas has a clue on how to make them or knows anything about the game

[LostBankroll]

Sweatshop full of Europeans and Central American soccer sharps making the lines.

[Fishhead]

I would think soccer experts from around the globe have to make lines

No nit wit service out of vegas has a clue on how to make them or knows anything about the game

NIT WIT ROXY lives in ASIA, not Vegas.............

[Karayilan9]

If you have the right contacts and play books who are out of their region you can have better info than the books in soccer

I would be building a contact list in the USL first division if I was in the states now, very low profile league which is open to betting

In Europe there are leagues you can bet on like Blue Square Premier here, some teams are only semi-professional.

[durito]

sbobet

[Duff85]

I was actually intrigued by this same question. You can bet live in the run on Bet365 on Victorian Premier League games. That's the level below the Australian A-League, and for those who don't know the A-League has less profile and cash than the MLS.

So I suppose Bet365 is making the lines, but I wonder who is at the game feeding them the info to allow them to run it in-play, because these games aren't even broadcast on the radio.

[Slainte]

They are scouts in every country for the local low leagues, they examine the league and have all the info needed. It's neither just bet365 or just sbobet. Many online books wait for and take into consideration the opening odds of the national bookie.

The games in-play are also broadcasted by scouts attending the game and sending the info about goals, cards and corners through their own phone with very simple method. I have broadcasted few games and still part time feed some books with livescores.

[Duff85]

Thanks for the info Slainte. Any info on how to get a job as an in-the-run scout? Any qualifications/experience needed?

[Slainte]

It's quite simple, all you need is to pass three test games on your PC, fill in short application and a simple mobile phone, candy bar type of phone is the the best. Where do you live?

[Duff85]

I'm in Melbourne, Australia.

[vitalyo]

JJ bellow i posted my conversation with one of the UK bookmakers . That should explains why people like to bet lower leagues . My posts in the dark blue .
He kind of pissed me off so i quoted him and gave him an explanation .
You will find it bellow that i don't bet EPL, SerieA ,Spain - La Liga.
(hardly maybe 10% max of my total bets) . Leagues off the radar "lower leagues " are much easier to capp / make money ,they present the best value .
GL.



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Originally Posted by daveandchas
Ashtee - the basics are - UK bookmakers just do not want business from certain regions, it is just perfect business sense.

I have no idea how Stan James decide who does, and who does not get restricted etc, I have never had any dealings with them.

But what I can tell you is that your average Aussie punter who bets with a UK bookmaker will be an arber, and so blatant about it that I almost find it offensive at times.

From a recent report - 91.6% of Aussie accounts were opened purely for arbing purposes.

Why would someone's opening line be - I'm looking at your second division Polish basketball market - the alternative market - why would that be - is there all of a sudden an interest in Polish 2nd division basketball - really?

That is why you guys are being restricted - it's not rocket science man.

Quote:
Originally Posted by daveandchas
It just becomes a bit mundane after a while to read people continuously posting about being restricted when I know that the reason for this is that they are almost definitely just arbers.

Another great post ! Again you are talking about arbers.
I have looked at your previous posts (cause i remember you posting same theory before on more then one occasion ) Actually every other post you make ,you are talking about players doing arbing and poor books just trying to protect them selves . Happens to be all of them UK books .
You need to relax ! This is a handicapping forum not an ARBS Paradise .




Quote:
Originally Posted by daveandchas
I must admit these just look like blatant arbs.

Habitually people from Australia, New Zealand and Canada who open accounts with UK bookmakers do so to either cheat or arb, whilst I really don't mean to offend anyone, those are the basic facts and stats we have currently.

The fact that someone from one of these regions is constantly betting on lower league European football divisions where there are arbs obviously makes that bookmaker take a second look at the account.

I will have access in the morning to the betting history of the games you mention above, and I must admit I fully expect that you have arbed on these matches.

TNX . Where did you get your stats ? Can you get us more detailed info /prove ?

My self if i see a value i'll bet Nicaragua league 2 or Austria league 3 or any other league i really don't care what league it is because i know how to beat you. If you can't set the line right that's your problem !
Instead of using excuses Quote:
Originally Posted by daveandchas
It just becomes a bit mundane after a while to read people continuously posting about being restricted when I know that the reason for this is that they are almost definitely just arbers.

Call your bookmakers . Line them up and tell them they are bunch of dumb asses. If you are to slow to move your line in live betting then don't offer games in play . Or reduce the # of games that way you can fallow the line .If your bookmakers can't set the lines right for lower leagues .
Don't offer this leagues
Each time you guys f*ck up . It's a players fault . Or player arber /cheat and so on. LOL .

Quote:
Originally Posted by daveandchas
Why would someone's opening line be - I'm looking at your second division Polish basketball market - the alternative market - why would that be - is there all of a sudden an interest in Polish 2nd division basketball - really?

it's not rocket science .really? I strongly believe for you it is !!!



I'll give you an idea why someone would bet second division Polish basketball instead of NBA or 3 top leagues EPL, SerieA ,Spain - La Liga.

I see little or no value to wager on any of them . Books wish they would have all of the wagers to be placed on this 3 leagues It so easy to balance the $ . Lines on this 3 are so grind up that your average Joe is due for a loss .What books hate that someone dumps over a $1000 on Polish/Mexico league 2 match , total wager on the other team is $5 . Right there will be a winner and a loser .You can't balance the money , not enough wagers on the other team . Where in EPL books don't even care who wins because money got spread around evenly so book will make a profit (90% of the time).Guaranteed money .
Instead of calling punters cheats and arbers
Why don't you guys post some sort of warning "IF you bet this leagues you will get restricted " or "you bet this leagues we will close your account"
I forgot . PS that is if you WIN . If you lose it's ok




I don't see Pinnacle closing punters accounts nor limiting players .

UK books are doing such a poor("poor" is a compliment) job and shooting them self in the foot by doing so . Limiting and closing accounts .

91.6% of Aussie accounts were opened purely for arbing purposes.
The % is a bit high . But what do i know .


Quote:
Originally Posted by daveandchas
Habitually people from Australia, New Zealand and Canada who open accounts with UK bookmakers do so to either cheat or arb, whilst I really don't mean to offend anyone, those are the basic facts and stats we have currently.

You see i can prove you wrong about canadian punters .
Simply i couldn't find one book that will say we restrict Canadians . Many books will restrict Europian players .



Limiting players to a $ 1 Unprofessional .
There is no US book that will limit you to $ 1 bet .
If you are $50-$100 bettor you are safe from been limited .At 50-100 they don't even bother .
If you wager $1000 to $5000 per game and winning .Some of the books will cut you off to max $50 -$100
BUT NOT TO A DOLLAR like UK books do.
ARE you guys afraid to lose more then a dollar ???
Then maybe you should sell cars instead of running a book !

I feel like soon you gonna tell us which leagues we should bet on .
Before you call another player an arber ask him what he bet on .
And if it's not related to your book don't fantasize too much .

I know you guys want just losers,but you will not say it , so you use every excuse in the book to limit player ,close his account .

My 2 cents .

Vitalyo - fair points.

I must admit that the other day, after one of my recent posts - I did wonder if I was maybe going on a bit too much about arbers - so the fact you have taken the time to point it out means that I have been.

Maybe in some threads it has been relevant, but maybe in others I have been guilty of saying the wrong things at times, if so I apologise.

I speak my mind, and I tell the truth as I see it - it's a forum after all!

But still guilty as charged

[Chemi]

Thanks for sharing this. I too had my account closed by Stan James and Bet365 restricted my account. The reason given was its not profitable for them. What a joke. And I wasn't even taking thousands from them!

[spartangreen]

They have odd makers for specific leagues, and they make the line and then it gets approved by the head linesmen before being posted