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  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #36
    The last team to win every single game going into the final was Brazil 1970. Plus Holland also won every single qualifying game.

    Incredible achievement.


    No luck, no cup, but if you think that's the main ingredient you're betting on the wrong sport.
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    • Stifler
      SBR MVP
      • 11-11-09
      • 3511

      #37
      Originally posted by wikkidinsane
      Nederlands missed a lot of chances, it could have easilt been 5-2.
      i probably watch another game then. They had like 3 chances, nothing more tbh...
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82839

        #38
        Netherlands had 11 shots total. 7 were on goal and 3 were goals.
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        • Stifler
          SBR MVP
          • 11-11-09
          • 3511

          #39
          Originally posted by pavyracer
          Netherlands had 11 shots total. 7 were on goal and 3 were goals.
          that simply shows nothing. I can shoot from 30 meters right in the hands of the goalie and and the statistics would count it as a shot on the goal. there were no quality chances except the 3 goals.
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82839

            #40
            Originally posted by Stifler
            that simply shows nothing. I can shoot from 30 meters right in the hands of the goalie and and the statistics would count it as a shot on the goal. there were no quality chances except the 3 goals.
            Well all 3 goals scored touched the post before going in. This is the area where a goalie can't stop them. So they were very effective in all the chances they had in the game. You do not need to create 10 chances to score 3 goals at this level.
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            • Stifler
              SBR MVP
              • 11-11-09
              • 3511

              #41
              exactly what i was trying to say.They had not much chances...my words. Besides that 1st goal is some lucky shot and the 2nd offside in my opinion. But they still deserve to go through, not to get me wrong here. But i think they will lose to germany or spain, whoever wins tomorrow.
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              • pavyracer
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 04-12-07
                • 82839

                #42
                Originally posted by Stifler
                exactly what i was trying to say.They had not much chances...my words. Besides that 1st goal is some lucky shot and the 2nd offside in my opinion. But they still deserve to go through, not to get me wrong here. But i think they will lose to germany or spain, whoever wins tomorrow.
                Do you know how many shots Germany had on goal vs Argentina? 6

                That doesn't mean they didn't dominate the game. They had high efficiency rate just like the Dutch today.
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                • JOHON8
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 01-28-10
                  • 7712

                  #43
                  Netherlands seem to be getting a lot of ugly wins, but it's fair to say all the teams they faced, even Brazil weren't as worthy competition as what is coming for them in the final. Even my cousin who is a die hard Holland supporter said they played a scrappy game, but they were the better side and pulled off the result.
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                  • Stifler
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-11-09
                    • 3511

                    #44
                    Originally posted by pavyracer
                    Do you know how many shots Germany had on goal vs Argentina? 6

                    That doesn't mean they didn't dominate the game. They had high efficiency rate just like the Dutch today.
                    just to notice my main-point. Netherlands didnt play any real good game so far. Just to point out the main point from my first post. I never said anything about netherlands not being effective in the offense. For me Spain and germany are better teams.
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                    • wtf
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 08-22-08
                      • 12983

                      #45
                      Originally posted by JOHON8
                      Netherlands seem to be getting a lot of ugly wins, but it's fair to say all the teams they faced, even Brazil weren't as worthy competition as what is coming for them in the final. Even my cousin who is a die hard Holland supporter said they played a scrappy game, but they were the better side and pulled off the result.
                      brazil NOT WORTHY????????

                      are you psycho, i still contend they should have won that game- dutch are little bitches, turf eating whores
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                      • 20Four7
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                        • 04-08-07
                        • 6703

                        #46
                        Tomorrows game is the finals for what it's worth.... should be the best game of the WC
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                        • DwightShrute
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-17-09
                          • 103302

                          #47
                          Originally posted by wtf
                          brazil NOT WORTHY????????

                          are you psycho, i still contend they should have won that game- dutch are little bitches, turf eating whores
                          should have could have would have

                          wow still not over that game huh?
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                          • JOHON8
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                            • 01-28-10
                            • 7712

                            #48
                            Originally posted by wtf
                            brazil NOT WORTHY????????

                            are you psycho, i still contend they should have won that game- dutch are little bitches, turf eating whores
                            I love Brazil, but that 2nd half was probably the most pathetic response I've seen a team make in a WC quarter final. Netherlands are turf eating whores, but Brazil let these whores get the best of them at a stage where as professionals they should already be used to and deal with it.
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                            • lakerboy
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 04-02-09
                              • 94379

                              #49
                              Originally posted by 20Four7
                              Tomorrows game is the finals for what it's worth.... should be the best game of the WC

                              not necessarily. the winner vs holland should be a terrific match
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                              • JOHON8
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 01-28-10
                                • 7712

                                #50
                                Originally posted by 20Four7
                                Tomorrows game is the finals for what it's worth.... should be the best game of the WC
                                that's not good logic to follow. How often has a favorite won in this WC?
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                                • pavyracer
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-12-07
                                  • 82839

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by 20Four7
                                  Tomorrows game is the finals for what it's worth.... should be the best game of the WC
                                  Don't be surprised if it's a tactical game. Last time they played in Euro 2008 final both coaches packed the midfield playing with one forward each which resulted in few scoring chances. Both teams are disciplined in their defensive assignments and will not risk too early. I think the game today was very exciting and open because Uruguay played to win instead of not to lose but tomorrow you may see a copycat of the Germany-Serbia game which either team could have won. If the first half is 0-0 bank on a 1-0 or a 0-0 final score either way.
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                                  • Goat Milk
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 03-24-10
                                    • 25850

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by pavyracer

                                    Don't be surprised if it's a tactical game. Last time they played in Euro 2008 final both coaches packed the midfield playing with one forward each which resulted in few scoring chances. Both teams are disciplined in their defensive assignments and will not risk too early. I think the game today was very exciting and open because Uruguay played to win instead of not to lose but tomorrow you may see a copycat of the Germany-Serbia game which either team could have won. If the first half is 0-0 bank on a 1-0 or a 0-0 final score either way.


                                    Its only a matter of time before Spain's D breaks down the Germany defense. If Germany allows a goal in the 70th minute they're going to allow another goal for sure. If the Germans want any chance to win this game they have to score first. Puyol and Pique are too physical they aren't going to let Podolski and Swchine run free into the box and give it to Klose. Casillas will cut them off if they try to penetrate like that.

                                    Anyway Holland is a team of destiny and teams of Destiny have luck on their side.
                                    Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                    • carbonero77
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 01-19-10
                                      • 327

                                      #53
                                      Lucky, lucky,,,see it the 2 goals against uruguay? what a lucky,,,,,orange shame with uruguay,,,
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                                      • hoopster42
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 02-12-08
                                        • 6099

                                        #54
                                        you dont luck your way into the final game of the world cup
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                                        • PeePee
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 10-08-09
                                          • 619

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Stifler
                                          that simply shows nothing. I can shoot from 30 meters right in the hands of the goalie and and the statistics would count it as a shot on the goal. there were no quality chances except the 3 goals.
                                          Actually, they had 2 more chances in the last 10 min of the game (when it was 3-1) but couldn't finish. That was when Uru was in full mode attack and left the back open.
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                                          • PeePee
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                                            • 10-08-09
                                            • 619

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by wikkidinsane
                                            Damn we missed De Jong in that defnsive mid today. he will be in the final babe! Nederlands missed a lot of chances, it could have easilt been 5-2. Hey Uruguay Backers


                                            If we face Germany in finals, I will be worried. If Spain, I will be betting 30 units +


                                            Holland will be underdog against either of Ger/Spain. I think it will be around .25/.5
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                                            • QuantumLeap
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-22-08
                                              • 6880

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by hoopster42
                                              you dont luck your way into the final game of the world cup
                                              The Dutch are a good team but the only talented team they have played was Brazil and they had some luck to win that match.

                                              Denmark, Cameroon, Slovakia, Uruguay, Japan?
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                                              • sportfan
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-22-09
                                                • 10111

                                                #58
                                                all 3 goals were off the post , second goal was offside..duh
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                                                • Cheetahponti
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 12-09-09
                                                  • 377

                                                  #59
                                                  Holland played better today but not by much, ugly football overall. My main enjoyment was booing both teams as I dislike them both about equally for their dirty play. Holland were outclassed by Brazil and would have lost 8 times out of 10 but Brazil crumbled when they fell behind - they showed they are great front-runners but suck when they go down a goal. Uruguay is an ordinary team who have been gifted with the easiest run through to the semis. The fact that Holland couldn't beat them tidily shows a lot.

                                                  If Spain makes the final I think Holland could just win as Spain will struggle to break the Holland defense and create genuine chances. If Germany makes the final, I'll be making the largest bet of the cup on them - with Mueller back in the side Holland will be exposed and Germany won't panic like Brazil did.
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                                                  • Augustus
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 09-05-06
                                                    • 2787

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Scorpion
                                                    Spain will beat Netherlands
                                                    Netherlands always chokes in the final
                                                    Netherlands lost to the hosts twice.

                                                    Spain always chokes in the quarterfinals and semifinals. Don't expect them in the final.
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                                                    • lukahh
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 04-08-10
                                                      • 941

                                                      #61
                                                      eh. you need some luck sometimes.
                                                      netherlands have 50% to bring it home now.
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                                                      • cornerkick
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                                                        • 04-19-10
                                                        • 165

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Cheetahponti
                                                        Holland played better today but not by much, ugly football overall. My main enjoyment was booing both teams as I dislike them both about equally for their dirty play. Holland were outclassed by Brazil and would have lost 8 times out of 10 but Brazil crumbled when they fell behind - they showed they are great front-runners but suck when they go down a goal. Uruguay is an ordinary team who have been gifted with the easiest run through to the semis. The fact that Holland couldn't beat them tidily shows a lot.

                                                        If Spain makes the final I think Holland could just win as Spain will struggle to break the Holland defense and create genuine chances. If Germany makes the final, I'll be making the largest bet of the cup on them - with Mueller back in the side Holland will be exposed and Germany won't panic like Brazil did.
                                                        Hm... there were 5 goals, the first was probably the best in this World Cup so far, and both teams kept fighting until the end. That's NOT AT ALL ugly football. Brazil lost, deal with it. Remember, they were leading by 1-0 for 43 minutes, and lost 2-1, a score which was established 22 minutes before the game was over. Who was outclassed by who?
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                                                        • mighty maron
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 04-20-09
                                                          • 4215

                                                          #63
                                                          The ability to win games when not playing sharp is a mark of a championship team. Ned looked like they were griping after UR got the 1-1 equalizer. A little bit of luck and they got thru but do you know what? They put themselves in position to do so.

                                                          Ned have my respect but no money from me in the final. Good luck Ned
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                                                          • Domestic
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 02-10-09
                                                            • 6323

                                                            #64
                                                            They have a good team on paper and are now finishing off their opportunities. Spain/Germany will have their work cut out for them.
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                                                            • username474
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 01-09-09
                                                              • 480

                                                              #65
                                                              How someone can call a team overrated and lucky that has won 12 consecutive matches is beyond me. Holland has the tendency to play down to the competition with a lead, but many other teams including Spain and Germany have the same tendency without a lead. I am really judging Holland's top form from the Brazil game second half and the last 20 mins. of the Cameroon match.
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                                                              • bruceBRUCEbruce
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 06-20-09
                                                                • 2560

                                                                #66
                                                                when was the last time this Dutch team lost a game? Euro 2008? they are, indeed, good and worthy of the finals.
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                                                                • Dark Horse
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-14-05
                                                                  • 13764

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce
                                                                  when was the last time this Dutch team lost a game? Euro 2008? they are, indeed, good and worthy of the finals.
                                                                  Over 90 minutes, in competitive matches, it would go back four years to the previous World Cup. They lost to Russia in extra time at the Euro (after beating WC finalists France and Italy by three goals each), and now are 14-0-0 for the present WC campaign. If they can finish it on Sunday it would be a historic run.
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                                                                  • Sawyer
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                                                                    • 06-01-09
                                                                    • 7761

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Holland is not overrated. Don't forget that they're favored by African Voodoo Magicians. They got Voodo/Magic boost.
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                                                                    • bbar86
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 04-29-10
                                                                      • 163

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Netherland is not overrated, their time has finally come, and they dive just as much as any other team
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                                                                      • tblues2005
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                                                                        • 07-30-06
                                                                        • 9235

                                                                        #70
                                                                        They have played awful well.
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