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  • Thomas_Garber
    Restricted User
    • 11-19-09
    • 364

    #1
    WARNING Brazil/N Korea Bettors
    Most of you are slamming Brazil -2, Brazil -2.5, Over 2.5 and Over 3 for the game.

    All those bets are -EV in my opinion for various reasons. Of course this looks like a Brazil squashing of North Koreans but its really not. Sure Brazil might win 4-0, 5-0 etc like Germans did against Australia but the above bets are -ev in the long run.

    - In the opening matches weaker teams will play not to lose, especially if they are playing the strongest opponent. This results in a very defensive game that often ends in a no scoring draw, or a low scoring win or draw. North Koreans will be fielding a very defensive formation...with most of the players in their own end of the field.

    - One might think that if Brazil scores very early, N Korea will try to attack to tie the game resulting in more goals for Brazil with the loser defense for attacking N Korea. But in this situation N Korea will continue to play hard defense to keep the margin of loss to minimal. Goal difference is important for tie breakers.

    - There are rumors that N Korea trained hard in secret locations and they haven't shown their full strength. Probably stupid rumor but you never know considering the state of that communist nation. Their coach on the press today said: "Our players aren't tecnicaly inferior to no one, not even to Brazil. We will beat them tomorrow as a gift to our chief in Korea". The guy was dead serious. Once again, it is probably just smack talking but N Korea is set on winning this game or at least not losing it. If Brazil comes to this game underestimating their opponent (which they will), it is not going to be a 3-0, 4-0 or 5-0 result that everyone is expecting.

    - The match is happening in in Johannesburg (Altitude: 1,214 m above sea level). It is a known fact that Brazillian cannot play at high altitudes. They looked paralyzed against a very poor Bolivian team in Bolivia...well that altitude is much higher (about 5000m above sea level) but still....historically Brazil has played very poorly against weak opponents at high altitude. 1200 is not that high but it is still over 1km over sea level!

    So many people are adding Brazil win with -1000 to -2000 odds to all their bets a a parlay. It is worthless. If somehow this game ends in a draw lots of bankrolls will be broken. I have seen at least 4 people in various forums claiming that they put their entire bankroll on brazil win for the "surewin" microscopic return.

    NO BET FOR Me because of the many factors and shitty odds. But if am forced bet i would consider NKorea +2.5, Under 3 or correct score of 0-0 draw, 1-0 and 2-0 win for brazil.
  • Smogs
    SBR MVP
    • 12-31-08
    • 4173

    #2
    You make a good point, but is it really -ev? I reckon that given 10 games, Brazil would win at least 6 by 3 goals. Hence making it +ev.

    But that's just my opinion and you make some excellent points, good write up
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    • LostBankroll
      Restricted User
      • 02-10-10
      • 4538

      #3
      "Correct score of 0-0" If your considering a 0-0 Draw you must give me your other plays so I can fade you ASAP.
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      • Thomas_Garber
        Restricted User
        • 11-19-09
        • 364

        #4
        Originally posted by Smogs
        You make a good point, but is it really -ev? I reckon that given 10 games, Brazil would win at least 6 by 3 goals. Hence making it +ev.

        But that's just my opinion and you make some excellent points, good write up
        if the ten games had the same circumstance as this game, it is highly unlikely that they will win at least 6 games by 3 or more goals.

        - First game of the round with the easiest opponent, world cup, altitude, playing an unknown team, etc etc....

        In a recent world cup....not sure if it was the last one or the one before.....Brazil was playing Japan as similar favorites....entire world was on Brazil -1.5 -2 etc....they didn't even cover -1.5.
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        • Thomas_Garber
          Restricted User
          • 11-19-09
          • 364

          #5
          Originally posted by LostBankroll
          "Correct score of 0-0" If your considering a 0-0 Draw you must give me your other plays so I can fade you ASAP.
          I said I wouldn't bet/touch this game but if I am forced to bet i would bet on the following scores.

          Lets look at the odds:

          for 0-0 draw +2006
          for 1-0 Bra +650
          for 2-0 Bra +430

          I am not betting it but i rather bet on each of the above three scores rather than Brazil -2.5, Over 3 or Brazil -2 with the crappy odds.
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          • RoagBettor
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 01-20-09
            • 8355

            #6
            I agree, the lines for Brazil just seem like such a trap. If it's too good to be true it usually is (heard that from someone).

            The books are begging people to take Brazil. 99.9% of all parlays have Brazil ML, -1, -1.5, over 2.5, etc. If the books were going to make a killing right off the bat, what better match is there than this one?

            Brazil may win 5-0, but I'm going to wait and see what the HT score is before I consider a bet at this point.
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            • COOGI
              SBR MVP
              • 05-05-10
              • 1510

              #7
              on the others hand N.korea drink Turtle Blood every day. so they be able to play in the high attitude without broblem
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              • fisel
                SBR High Roller
                • 06-04-10
                • 104

                #8
                Even though I've gone for -1 I don't think it's a trap. You can look at how the other games have gone but Brazil are the favourites and are playing a very poor team. I agree that teams haven't played to lose but when Brazil score NK will need to try and get something from the game.
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                • Thomas_Garber
                  Restricted User
                  • 11-19-09
                  • 364

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LostBankroll
                  "Correct score of 0-0" If your considering a 0-0 Draw you must give me your other plays so I can fade you ASAP.
                  North Korea is fast and their defense is pretty good. Average age is 23 for N Korea and 29 Brazil.

                  Not losing this game will bring world wide attention to them. They will defend the goal post with their lives as they are defending their borders. And you have to love the fact that all NKOREAN PLAYERS ARE REAL SOLDIERS!

                  THUS MOST LIKELY SCORES ARE 0-0 DRAW, 1-0 BRAZIL OR 2-0 BRAZIL.
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                  • docbarnes
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 09-05-09
                    • 127

                    #10
                    To date is Germany the only true favorite to win their game?
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                    • I.L.S
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 05-09-10
                      • 400

                      #11
                      I agree with one thing - shitty odds . its is not about N korea , its about Brazil , they look absolutely fabulous , great game no metter who is coming agaist them , it could be a weak team a good team it does'nt metter , i can see them scoring 2 goals for sure..3rd and 4th goals its depends on how much they want it and i belive they want it after Germany beat Australia , Brazil need to put a mark!
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                      • LostBankroll
                        Restricted User
                        • 02-10-10
                        • 4538

                        #12
                        I AM WILLING TO BET 1,000,000,000,000,000 rupies it wont end as a 0-0 Draw. I agree taking the correct score would be a nice bet. Heck I actually cashed on Slovenia 1-0 Exact Socre (spreadsheet). But If I had to I would play 3-0 and 4-0 Exact scores.
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                        • Thomas_Garber
                          Restricted User
                          • 11-19-09
                          • 364

                          #13
                          Originally posted by docbarnes
                          To date is Germany the only true favorite to win their game?
                          It is more like Australia played terribly rather than Germany played good. Australia was so bad that they made Germans look like champions. Germany was running wild and they will have problems in the defense against better teams. Over bets should cash nicely in their games.
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                          • Thomas_Garber
                            Restricted User
                            • 11-19-09
                            • 364

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LostBankroll
                            I AM WILLING TO BET 1,000,000,000,000,000 rupies it wont end as a 0-0 Draw. I agree taking the correct score would be a nice bet. Heck I actually cashed on Slovenia 1-0 Exact Socre (spreadsheet). But If I had to I would play 3-0 and 4-0 Exact scores.
                            Rupies?

                            Once again I said I am not betting this game but if I have to i would take the correct scores. I wouldn't just take 0-0....i would take all 3 scores that i mentioned.

                            Today it might be a 3-0 or 4-0 but if the exact situation is to repeat for ever my 3 scores with those odds have the highest +EV in my estimate.
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                            • rockman123
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 10-24-09
                              • 300

                              #15
                              this is a no play for me anyways games aabove -200 juice should be avoided
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                              • gryfyn1
                                SBR MVP
                                • 03-30-10
                                • 3285

                                #16
                                This game is more about Brazil -- a team that, at times, gets to fancy for its own good. If Korea come ot with the mindset to just not get blown out - i can see them playing a style that gives them a chance to keep it close - a little luck and i can see the game being 2-0, maybe even 1-0.

                                I do have Brazil in a paraly and a small bet on them at -2,
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                                • lockwoot
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 04-20-10
                                  • 161

                                  #17
                                  gonna try a -1 for brazil they will probably won't score untill late in the first half but the quality difference is just too big that the hard working mentality of the north koreans won't work for the full 90 minutes
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                                  • SpiderMonkey
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 08-30-09
                                    • 552

                                    #18
                                    Good write up - I agree for the most part.

                                    Thomas_Garber > LostBankroll.
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                                    • rfr3sh
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-07-09
                                      • 10229

                                      #19
                                      How about the North Korean striker who said he will score in every game and that them and Brazil will advance from the group
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                                      • Goat Milk
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 03-24-10
                                        • 25850

                                        #20
                                        Brazil 2-0 seems like the play. Brazil isn't as offensive oriented as everyone thinks, but they should completely shit on NK.
                                        Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                        • I.L.S
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 05-09-10
                                          • 400

                                          #21
                                          MY prediction : half time BRAZIL will lead 3-0
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                                          • Smogs
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-31-08
                                            • 4173

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by rfr3sh
                                            How about the North Korean striker who said he will score in every game and that them and Brazil will advance from the group
                                            Jong Tae Se
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                                            • LostBankroll
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 02-10-10
                                              • 4538

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SpiderMonkey
                                              Good write up - I agree for the most part.

                                              Thomas_Garber > LostBankroll.



                                              LostBankroll>SpiderMonkey


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                                              • I.L.S
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 05-09-10
                                                • 400

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                Brazil 2-0 seems like the play. Brazil isn't as offensive oriented as everyone thinks, but they should completely shit on NK.
                                                isn't as offensive oriented as everyone thinks???

                                                Luis fabiano , Rubinho , Kaka , Grafite , Daniel alves (defender also attacks) , Macon (defender also attacks)......
                                                BEST OFFENCE AS WELL AS SPAIN.
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                                                • TheAntidote
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 08-30-09
                                                  • 869

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by rfr3sh
                                                  How about the North Korean striker who said he will score in every game and that them and Brazil will advance from the group
                                                  After reading this a while back I hit the Over 3 line. This leads me to believe it could indeed be an open game, and not just a 10-man NK defense that everyone seems to think it will be. I think the NK honestly believe they will progress with Brazil through the group, I don't think they just said it to "trash talk". I also put a small amount on a 3-0 Brazil FT line. If this game opens up, it'll be Brazil scoring at will.
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                                                  • AimingHigh
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 06-12-09
                                                    • 670

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Thomas_Garber
                                                    - One might think that if Brazil scores very early, N Korea will try to attack to tie the game resulting in more goals for Brazil with the loser defense for attacking N Korea. But in this situation N Korea will continue to play hard defense to keep the margin of loss to minimal. Goal difference is important for tie breakers.
                                                    This is the one bit of your analysis I disagree with. It's the group of death, not a typical mixed-ability group, so I think, in the event of an early goal, N Korea will be more inclined to try and score than get more defensive. But I also think that the result from the earlier Ivory Coast vs. Portugal game may affect N Korea's thinking on this, so I'm going to wait till after that match is over, and then decide who to take on the spread in the later match.
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                                                    • DrunkHorseplayer
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 05-15-10
                                                      • 7719

                                                      #27
                                                      Brazil -385
                                                      Brazil -2 -145
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                                                      • xxxvince
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 12-17-07
                                                        • 2567

                                                        #28
                                                        have some balls and go all in with brazil man, this is the only sure thing in world cup
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                                                        • lakerboy
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 04-02-09
                                                          • 94379

                                                          #29
                                                          Even if all the North Korean players line up side to side on the goal line 50% of the net will still be open.
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                                                          • RoagBettor
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-20-09
                                                            • 8355

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                                                            Brazil -385
                                                            Brazil -2 -145
                                                            Where are you getting Brazil -385?
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                                                            • DarkNite
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 10-12-09
                                                              • 5023

                                                              #31
                                                              I think N.Korea will defend and HT= Draw.
                                                              As for Brazil, they will try and play with caution in HT.
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                                                              • BillyCostigan
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 11-18-09
                                                                • 712

                                                                #32
                                                                Dark, why would such a huge favorite like Brazil play with caution?
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                                                                • DarkNite
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 10-12-09
                                                                  • 5023

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BillyCostigan
                                                                  Dark, why would such a huge favorite like Brazil play with caution?
                                                                  Brazil as big fave but they will not underestimate the opponent. Brazil will need only 1-2 goals to preserve energy and avoid injuries, they know bigger games are still ahead of them, and I think the goals will come in 2H. They know that they will win but first they want to see how Korea will play. They will try to make Korea get tired then second H, they will crush big time. Just my opinion though.
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                                                                  • Thomas_Garber
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 11-19-09
                                                                    • 364

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by xxxvince
                                                                    have some balls and go all in with brazil man, this is the only sure thing in world cup
                                                                    It takes balls to not to bet on Brazil you pussy.
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                                                                    • polskboy
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-29-10
                                                                      • 1688

                                                                      #35
                                                                      guys make a play at YELLOW CARDS - NORTH KOREA-1½-130
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