Liverpool v. Tottenham

**tacomax** · 08-13-09, 11:22 PM

1) Liverpool are away from home
2) They lost Alonso to Real Madrid and the replacement for him is injured
3) Gerrard is doubtful at this time

**Jimmy0607** · 08-13-09, 11:25 PM

Very good points taco

**Totolover1409** · 08-13-09, 11:46 PM

Still wouldn't touch the game Tacos?

**tacomax** · 08-14-09, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Totolover1409

Still wouldn't touch the game Tacos?

Gerrard is their key player. With no true injury information, you can't ascertain whether the odds are good or otherwise. However, you might want to check out SBR Lines since you can get Liverpool at +137 at 5Dimes - and on that basis I wouldn't touch Liverpool at +120.

**Totolover1409** · 08-14-09, 02:25 AM

Most appreciated taco.

**ijustwant2bpaid** · 08-14-09, 02:31 AM

sounds like taco knows his shitt, hes one ugly fukk but he knows his soccer!

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-14-09, 03:55 AM

It does look like Gerrard will be missing, they are unsure at present. However, he is not my main concern. We lost two games last season and a lot of games were played WITHOUT Gerrard and Torres due to injury.

Xabi is a big loss, yes. However, for the time been, Lucas can step into his shoes. Lucas has been showing a lot of promise. Although, not the perfect replacement for alonso, he is improving and will put his work in because he does have something to prove.

Where the concern lies is not with our midfield/forwards, it's in defence. With Agger and Skirtel and possible Carragher injured, it's isn't looking good. Gerrard missing the game wouldn't be the greatest situation but I'm not overly worried.

Despite the issues, I can see Liverpool winning (that is a completely biased view of course). Our last meeting, we beat spurs 3-1. However, last season, ONE of our TWO premier league defeats was to Tottenham at White Hart Lane.

**Shortstop** · 08-14-09, 04:24 AM

Is this a friendly game or does it have significance in the standings?

**tacomax** · 08-14-09, 04:26 AM

1st game of the season. It starts here.

**Shortstop** · 08-14-09, 04:36 AM

Thanks taco. I'm trying to learn as much as I can about soccer.

**Phillth** · 08-14-09, 09:25 AM

Tottenham greatly underperformed last season. Their squad has now had a chance to meld and i think they will be a force to reckoned with. Tottenham will probably come out punching but liverpool alway does enough to at least draw. Im looking for a 2-2 draw in this one. Ill play probably over as well

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-14-09, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Phillth

Tottenham greatly underperformed last season. Their squad has now had a chance to meld and i think they will be a force to reckoned with. Tottenham will probably come out punching but liverpool alway does enough to at least draw. Im looking for a 2-2 draw in this one. Ill play probably over as well

Id recommend the OVER too but hopefully not for a 2-2 draw

**lakerboy** · 08-14-09, 11:08 AM

Tottenham to win or draw is the call here as some of the good teams usually open slow and tottenham have a decent squad.

**Phillth** · 08-14-09, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame

Id recommend the OVER too but hopefully not for a 2-2 draw

Im a liverpool supporter myself. I try not to bet sides in their matches as i would never bet against them and it hurts twice as much when they lose. but i must say the draw looks good here. This weekend looks good for a slew of draws.

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-14-09, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Phillth

Im a liverpool supporter myself. I try not to bet sides in their matches as i would never bet against them and it hurts twice as much when they lose. but i must say the draw looks good here. This weekend looks good for a slew of draws.

Great to see another pool fan

. I don't mind betting totals with Liverpool because Liverpool could win 3-0 and I win the bet. I could not bet against Liverpool as in bet the other team to win. A draw is a very likely outcome. I would obviously love to be able to say LIVERPOOL WILL WIN AND THATS A

but lets not get carried away. Liverpool are the favs and the could very we'll win with style. After saying that, there is nothing to stop Spurs from taking the win, they are we'll capable of it. Spurs are no Burnley.

**aneurysm00** · 08-15-09, 07:39 AM

Another Liverpool fan here. I never bet on our games but If I were you, I would stay away from this one.
As always, Gerrard is going to be crucial but regardless I always get nervous about games at WHL. You never know which Spurs team will show up. They could play like world beaters one day and relegation fodder the other.

Liverpool also have issues in central defence. Carra and Skrtel should be back but they might not be 100% fit. Moreover, they'll be facing a fired up Keane and Crouch - who would like nothing more than beating Rafa's team.
On the flip side, if Torres decides that he wants to have some fun - there's very little that the Spurs defence would be able to do.

**PAPSMEAR** · 08-15-09, 08:44 AM

Like any sport you get you fair share of dodgy results early in a season whilst teams are rusty...stay away from epl for 4 weeks until things become clearer

**Wilforth** · 08-15-09, 09:07 AM

Tottenham is the call. They do well against strong opposition.

**lakerboy** · 08-15-09, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Wilforth

Tottenham is the call. They do well against strong opposition.

exactly

**DJ RM** · 08-15-09, 09:20 AM

Also a liverpool fan here....and I agree with all the points made above. Yes, we lost to them last season in a terrible fashion at white hart lane and should win this time around but the injury problems have me worried as well. If this wasn't the first match of the year (which can be a bit cagey), I would say the the over 2.5 at even money is a decent bet.

Also, TheBeautifulGame, are you serious about Lucas? I have seen his potential (just pull up the Brazil U20 videos from a few years ago) but he drove me absolutely crazy last year and got us knocked out of the FA cup with that moronic red he got against Everton. I hope you are right though, we need someone to step up while Aquilani is injured. Masch is obviously a fantastic player but doesn't have the passing skills...Xabi was the key to so much of the upfield passing the last few years. Aquiliani is a terrific player but can't stay healthy. Watch out for Plessis this year though, he is coming up from reserves and could be a force to be reckoned with. Big, tall, strong, and surprisingly confident on the ball for such a young kid....plays a bit like Yaya Toure on Barca.

YNWA

**aneurysm00** · 08-15-09, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Wilforth

Tottenham is the call. They do well against strong opposition.

At WHL,
Won 0 out of last 5 against Man Utd
Won 1 out of last 5 against Liverpool
Won 2 out of last 5 against Chelsea (the two victories were recent after a long stretch of not beating Chelsea at WHL)
Won 0 out of last 5 against Arsenal

Spurs +0.5 or +0.25 might be a good bet though as they draw a lot against these teams.

**aneurysm00** · 08-15-09, 09:30 AM

The thing about Lucas is that he must have something for Rafa to persist with him. I've seen it in flashes but maybe this is the year (*fingers crossed*)
It's not like Rafa to keep a dud around, as evidenced by how quickly he got rid of Morientes, Josemi, Kromkamp, Bellamy, Keane.

**pavyracer** · 08-15-09, 09:44 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if this game ends in a draw.

**TheBeautifulGame** · 08-15-09, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by DJ RM

Also a liverpool fan here....and I agree with all the points made above. Yes, we lost to them last season in a terrible fashion at white hart lane and should win this time around but the injury problems have me worried as well. If this wasn't the first match of the year (which can be a bit cagey), I would say the the over 2.5 at even money is a decent bet.

Also, TheBeautifulGame, are you serious about Lucas? I have seen his potential (just pull up the Brazil U20 videos from a few years ago) but he drove me absolutely crazy last year and got us knocked out of the FA cup with that moronic red he got against Everton. I hope you are right though, we need someone to step up while Aquilani is injured. Masch is obviously a fantastic player but doesn't have the passing skills...Xabi was the key to so much of the upfield passing the last few years. Aquiliani is a terrific player but can't stay healthy. Watch out for Plessis this year though, he is coming up from reserves and could be a force to be reckoned with. Big, tall, strong, and surprisingly confident on the ball for such a young kid....plays a bit like Yaya Toure on Barca.

YNWA

The injury problems are a big worry for me. There is no news yet as to who is in and out. As I said above, Gerrard is not the biggest worry for me although, it's a concern, I'm more worried about our defence.

I'm serious in a way about Lucas. He's a good player but I agree with you, at times, last season, he was ropey . However, as I said, he does have something to prove to Rafa, he needs to impress. Nowhere near the perfect replacement for xabi but Lucas will play his part and work hard for the team.

I like Plessis and El Zhar. He does not play that often but I also like Dossena

PS - Good to see more Liverpool fans here, I was beginning to think I was the only one

**Johnny Hipster** · 08-15-09, 11:38 AM

This game can be 1 0 or 2 - its very uneasy to predict because the teams will play this match 50:50

I would go for Tottenham if they had King and Woodgate but they are injured so I wont bet on this fixture

**Phillth** · 08-15-09, 04:45 PM

Lucas is my least favorite player who gets regular playing time. Hes soft and makes poor decisions. definitely the weakest link in midfield.

**PortsDave** · 08-15-09, 04:49 PM

Lucas won't be like that this season Phillth, he has really developed his upper body strength over the close season, if you have watched any of the friendlies he has been Liverpools best player by a mile.

Oh and i am a Liverpool fan aswell, You'll Never Walk Alone TheBeautifulGame

**tacomax** · 08-15-09, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by TheBeautifulGame

I'm serious in a way about Lucas. He's a good player but I agree with you, at times, last season, he was ropey . However, as I said, he does have something to prove to Rafa, he needs to impress. Nowhere near the perfect replacement for xabi but Lucas will play his part and work hard for the team.

He has been on fire in the pre-season, hope it continues.

**PortsDave** · 08-15-09, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by DJ RM

Also a liverpool fan here....and I agree with all the points made above. Yes, we lost to them last season in a terrible fashion at white hart lane and should win this time around but the injury problems have me worried as well. If this wasn't the first match of the year (which can be a bit cagey), I would say the the over 2.5 at even money is a decent bet.

Also, TheBeautifulGame, are you serious about Lucas? I have seen his potential (just pull up the Brazil U20 videos from a few years ago) but he drove me absolutely crazy last year and got us knocked out of the FA cup with that moronic red he got against Everton. I hope you are right though, we need someone to step up while Aquilani is injured. Masch is obviously a fantastic player but doesn't have the passing skills...Xabi was the key to so much of the upfield passing the last few years. Aquiliani is a terrific player but can't stay healthy. Watch out for Plessis this year though, he is coming up from reserves and could be a force to be reckoned with. Big, tall, strong, and surprisingly confident on the ball for such a young kid....plays a bit like Yaya Toure on Barca.

YNWA

I was eyeing a Liverpool to win bet up for a month or so but with the injury situation at the club and Tottenham having King fit to play and now Bassong as well i am gonna give the bet a miss and just relax and enjoy the game.

I see your a fan of Plessis, i hope you are right with your prediction, i didn't like the look of him the few times a saw him last season, he looked to me like he hadn't improved at all from the season before maybe even regressed a bit.

**Phillth** · 08-15-09, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by PortsDave

Lucas won't be like that this season Phillth, he has really developed his upper body strength over the close season, if you have watched any of the friendlies he has been Liverpools best player by a mile.

Oh and i am a Liverpool fan aswell, You'll Never Walk Alone TheBeautifulGame

I sure hope youre right. we def need someone to step up with the departure of xabi. im still pissed off at that.

**DJ RM** · 08-16-09, 09:55 AM

After the United result today, I'm thinking of betting the draw. I know that previous results don't impact this game but when was the last time there were NO draws over an entire weekend?

**EaglesPhan36** · 08-16-09, 09:59 AM

Aboot to begin. I got the over as well. Good luck chaps. I'm not calling you chaps, I'm wearing my good luck chaps ... assless.

**Squirrel** · 08-16-09, 10:00 AM

I'm on the overs too, its a great shout IMO.

**20Four7** · 08-16-09, 10:05 AM

I bet liverpool at -185 as a pk. Draw is a push.

My reasoning was explained above

Won 1 out of last 5 against Liverpool

Line is now -200 for that so I'm happy with the bet.