Bernie Sanders Is A Lock In 2020

[brooks85]

you'll have to try again in English and in reality. This made no sense.

Again, fox news is not a show alice. Nice work burying yourself.

keep running deeper into wonderland alice

[RoyBacon]

OK kelly, I'll just assume you fell out of your chair and hit your head midway through your post.

So you are fine with taxing the poorest of poor people on every single purchase they make with a high corp tax? And you are obviously fine with jobs fleeing for low tax(cost) havens. Yea, might as well make the corp tax 60% by your thinking. Better yet, they might as well be state owned.

[rkelly110]

OK kelly, I'll just assume you fell out of your chair and hit your head midway through your post.

So you are fine with taxing the poorest of poor people on every single purchase they make with a high corp tax? And you are obviously fine with jobs fleeing for low tax(cost) havens. Yea, might as well make the corp tax 60% by your thinking. Better yet, they might as well be state owned.

Son, there's a reason why corporations buy their goods from China. Cheap. High mark up value. Why are their imported
goods cheap? Cheap labor.

It's not taxes why companies leave, it's labor costs. They can move out of the country, manufacture their goods
at very low labor costs and bring them back duty free. Win, win.

Most corporations pay little in federal tax after deductions. They probably pay high state and local. NY was offering
corporations no tax for 10 years to draw in corporations.

Trump is codelling corporations instead of getting tough on them like he campaigned on.

Carrier is an example. They got a huge tax cut and are still leaving, because the workers are union and are sick of
dealing with them and their demands. If Trump was tough, he would say tax the fuk out of them if they bring their
goods back like he said at the beginning.

Will consumer cost of goods be cheaper now that corps are getting a tax cut? Maybe, but I doubt it.

[rkelly110]

Adding. Corporations hate people. Don't want to deal with them. Always calling off sick, getting pregnant, prima donnas,
vacation time, paying for their health insurance, adding to their 401k's, yadda yadda yadda.

They are automating and like my company did, buying equipment to do away with people no matter how much it costs,
because they can appreciate the costs (tax write off) over 5 years.

Repubs hate people too, because the corporations hate people and they give to their campaigns as seen by the
partisan tax bill.

[RoyBacon]

If you just learn a single concept from our interaction, let's make it this one. And for background I ran a company that moved jobs out of the US, lots of them.

No company wants to leave the US. Doing business in China or Mexico is brutal. Local politicians are openly corrupt, infrastructure is crap, banking is a throw back to the stone age. Could easily list 20 material reasons but you get the point.

Companies leave because they are scared they can not compete with competitors who have a lower overall cost. In my 40 years in business I never had anyone come up and say I want to leave the US and move to a polluted shthole in China. We hate moving but we have no choice.

So it's total cost, not simply cheap labor. Excessive regulation and high taxes tilt the equation. We will never pay $1 a day like China or $15 a day like Mexico. But we should do everything possible to eliminate as much costs as possible. Instead of surrender.

[reigle9]

roy, you drive that pimpmobile in your av?

[rkelly110]

If you just learn a single concept from our interaction, let's make it this one. And for background I ran a company that moved jobs out of the US, lots of them.

No company wants to leave the US. Doing business in China or Mexico is brutal. Local politicians are openly corrupt, infrastructure is crap, banking is a throw back to the stone age. Could easily list 20 material reasons but you get the point.

Companies leave because they are scared they can not compete with competitors who have a lower overall cost. In my 40 years in business I never had anyone come up and say I want to leave the US and move to a polluted shthole in China. We hate moving but we have no choice.

So it's total cost, not simply cheap labor. Excessive regulation and high taxes tilt the equation. We will never pay $1 a day like China or $15 a day like Mexico. But we should do everything possible to eliminate as much costs as possible. Instead of surrender.

All of what you say makes sense and proves my point that I've made often. Business today is monkey see, monkey do.

Whether it's moving jobs overseas to compete or to layoff thousands of workers, if a couple of high profiles do it,
everyone else follows.

On the positive side of tax cuts and regulations, bonuses and wage increases for workers. On the negative side,
companies are shutting down and laying off thousands. A win for some, a loss for others. Time will tell of the real
benefits or the real drawbacks.

[RoyBacon]

roy, you drive that pimpmobile in your av?

Yep. 18k original miles on it.

[RoyBacon]

All of what you say makes sense and proves my point that I've made often. Business today is monkey see, monkey do.

Whether it's moving jobs overseas to compete or to layoff thousands of workers, if a couple of high profiles do it,
everyone else follows.

On the positive side of tax cuts and regulations, bonuses and wage increases for workers. On the negative side,
companies are shutting down and laying off thousands. A win for some, a loss for others. Time will tell of the real
benefits or the real drawbacks.

China and Mexico are extremely pro business to the point they cheat and steal intellectual property. They will bend over backwards to attract business. Our gov is exactly opposite. Our gov obstructs business at every turn and treats business as the enemy.

If Dems and Repubs would put its working class first like China does we could accomplish all goals and more. Dante and D2 hint at the solution, we need a more progressive indv tax code. Why should Roy Bacon and D2 pay the same tax % as Donald Trump? Is that fair? But at the same time we need our gov to help its working class and that means help the businesses that employ them.

[reigle9]

Yep. 18k original miles on it.

ha, bs

[khicks26]

[The Kraken]

The Democrats have a pretty easy road to the oval office in 2020

Pick a white guy

That easy

[The Kraken]

OP's net worth is 0

Sick burn bro

You have the IQ of a dementia patient and the wit of an autistic kid

Typical PSU grad

[BOA12]

The Democrats have a pretty easy road to the oval office in 2020

Pick a white guy

That easy

jump started indirectly by don MAKE AMERICA WHITE AGAIN.

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[Forearm Shiver]

Bernie has no chance. Too old, and too far left.

[RoyBacon]

The Democrats have a pretty easy road to the oval office in 2020

Pick a white guy

That easy

Winning will not be easy. Did you guys learn anything from the last election? The last 3?

If the Dems cart out a far left lib they are going to lose almost every state.

[brooks85]

Sick burn bro

You have the IQ of a dementia patient and the wit of an autistic kid

Typical PSU grad

lol kraken you need to get a new name if you're going to try this. Forum knows you're a pill popping idiot .

[BOA12]

Bernie has no chance. Too old, and too far left.

to Jewish? It was scandalous when a Catholic got elected. Just imagine the new Right battle cry: Make America Christian Again.

[DABOOK]

Bernie has no chance. Too old, and too far left.

At some point the uneducated poor will stop voting for (R)s and (D)’s that are owned by lobbyist and Corporations. Trump won on not being owned then installed G Sachs at every turn and coddled up to Koch as much as possible.Eventually old people will stop voting (R) because they slash medicare medicaid and SS.
Bernie is the man that will expose these terrible policy’s and smash who ever in 2020. Trump or Pence after Trump has stroke from a KFC biscuit lodged in his blood stream

[BOA12]

ha, bs

only with his dog and top down,sure not his main ride

[khicks26]

[brooks85]

^alice still running from being caught lying. That's what happens when you repeat bernie... save $17 Trillion lol sheepy

[RoyBacon]

At some point the uneducated poor will stop voting for (R)s and (D)’s that are owned by lobbyist and Corporations. Trump won on not being owned then installed G Sachs at every turn and coddled up to Koch as much as possible.Eventually old people will stop voting (R) because they slash medicare medicaid and SS.
Bernie is the man that will expose these terrible policy’s and smash who ever in 2020. Trump or Pence after Trump has stroke from a KFC biscuit lodged in his blood stream

Bernie offers nothing to working folks, or deplorables as they are now called. Trump won that group 71-29. Bernie is a socialist. He admits it. He will get the blacks, young and welfare'ers but won't get any deplorables.

Dems need a moderate to emerge to have any chance. And the Dem base needs to recognize a liberal or socialist has no chance. A moderate from the midwest might.

[15805]

Bernie is currently the favorite, leading a large field on Predictit to be the Dem 2020 nominee.

I think the only current contender on the list that has a shot is Biden. He can sway back the working class vote that elected DT.

Dems would be smart to find a moderate. So far none on the list.

2020 US Presidential Election- https://www.5dimes.eu/BbGameSelection.asp

101 Donald Trump wins Presidential Election

+190

105 Mike Pence wins Presidential Election

+1000

107 E.Warren wins Presidential Election

+1200

109 Kamala Harris wins Presidential Election

+1200

111 B.Sanders wins Presidential Election

+1500

113 Joe Biden wins Presidential Election

+1800

All candidates below 20 to 1 odds are listed above:
Bernie is behind Harris & Pocahontas according tp top US spoertsbook

[RoyBacon]

Interesting. Predictit.org is a free market and it has Bernie leading Biden & Harris slightly.

https://www.predictit.org/Market/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination

[khicks26]

[RoyBacon]

Sanders was against DACA and all illegals. He had the exact policy as Trump for slightly different reasons. He didn't want them taking real Americans jobs and watering down wages.

He held that opinion up to 2015.

[guitarjosh]

Sanders was against DACA and all illegals. He had the exact policy as Trump for slightly different reasons. He didn't want them taking real Americans jobs and watering down wages.

He held that opinion up to 2015.

I believe he referred to that as a "Koch Brothers Plot"

[brooks85]

I like sander's lie about universal healthcare saving US $17 trillion when the facts show deadweight costs would cost us as much as $1.5 trillion a year.

Guy is a pro con artist and he is starting to get into his groove. I'm sure he is probably dying inside for not doing this sooner considering he is old now. But, he sure is enjoying the ride. Got another mansion and goes outside in $700 coats while complaining that 1% make too much. penetrating pro.

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