Lest we forget

[RoyBacon]

The American Dream
"The American Dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement."


Our government needs to do its best to provide we the people the best chance to reach our potential.

[rkelly110]

Unless of course if you come from a shithole country or cross the border illegally.

[RoyBacon]

Unless of course if you come from a shithole country or cross the border illegally.

You finally got something right! Amazing.

[RoyBacon]

Allowing millions of illegals including DACA's to work in the US takes jobs from real Americans and waters down wages.

Our government by the people and for the people should give each citizen the best chance to reach the American Dream.

[d2bets]

Allowing millions of illegals including DACA's to work in the US takes jobs from real Americans and waters down wages.

Our government by the people and for the people should give each citizen the best chance to reach the American Dream.

One can only be a a "real American" if said person was born inside its borders?

[jtoler]

Everyone's an immigrant guy.

[rkelly110]

Allowing millions of illegals including DACA's to work in the US takes jobs from real Americans and waters down wages.

Our government by the people and for the people should give each citizen the best chance to reach the American Dream.

Remember, money knows no country. What you should say is, companies hiring illegals and DACA's should be fined
and or have their businesses shut down. Also all companies who went overseas and bringing their product here duty free
should not have their goods reach our shores.....if that's how you feel.

[RoyBacon]

One can only be a a "real American" if said person was born inside its borders?

A citizen by law does not necessarily mean "born inside its borders". Just follow the law. I think you are fully aware of the concept. If you want to change it, fine.

[RoyBacon]

Remember, money knows no country. What you should say is, companies hiring illegals and DACA's should be fined
and or have their businesses shut down. Also all companies who went overseas and bringing their product here duty free
should not have their goods reach our shores.....if that's how you feel.

I believe DACA's have temporary residency, at least until March.

There are already laws on the books that fine companies for hiring illegals.

So your first two points are moot. Your last point is one that Trump agrees with you on. Tariffs should play a part of trade but just like corp taxes, it's adds the tax therefore costs on to products to people that would normally not have to pay them.

[rkelly110]

I believe DACA's have temporary residency, at least until March.

There are already laws on the books that fine companies for hiring illegals.

So your first two points are moot. Your last point is one that Trump agrees with you on. Tariffs should play a part of trade but just like corp taxes, it's adds the tax therefore costs on to products to people that would normally not have to pay them.

DACA is an Obama thing because of a do nothing congress. Those kids are now in their 20's- 30's. Probably married
with their own kids. How many presidents did they live through here? Now all of a sudden you and Trump wants to
throw them out on their ear?

Face the facts. Your guys hate everything social. How can they make laws they are against? They can, but it sure
ain't gonna be pretty. Tax law was horrendous. I can't imagine what the immigration or healthcare law will look
like. Then medicare. Medicaid they now want people working for it. Then they will fuk with SS.

Like I said, a generation.

[RoyBacon]

If a deal can be reached on the DACA's, all good. If one can't then follow the law. Trump offered border security for DACA. Dems rejected it so they go back as the law dictates.

Kelly, Dems won and passed Obamacare. Your team could have passed immigration but didn't. Republicans won and passed tax cuts. It's not complicated. What's peculiar is Dems did not help dreamers in '08-'10 and they won't make a deal now so your blame is misplaced.

[d2bets]

If a deal can be reached on the DACA's, all good. If one can't then follow the law. Trump offered border security for DACA. Dems rejected it so they go back as the law dictates.

Kelly, Dems won and passed Obamacare. Your team could have passed immigration but didn't. Republicans won and passed tax cuts. It's not complicated. What's peculiar is Dems did not help dreamers in '08-'10 and they won't make a deal now so your blame is misplaced.

Republicans claim to be in favor of it. So do it then. Holding dreamers hostage rings hollow.

Not even sure Trump can be blamed. He said he'd sign anything. It's the Repukes in the House.

[RoyBacon]

Republicans claim to be in favor of it. So do it then. Holding dreamers hostage rings hollow.

Not even sure Trump can be blamed. He said he'd sign anything. It's the Repukes in the House.

Not going to pass DACA without border security. The very reason we have DACA in the first place.

There is no being held hostage. Either we fix why we have a Daca & pass DACA or we revert to the laws on the books. It's the Dems choice.

This just isn't that complicated.

[chico2663]

Trump turned down 2.8 billion in the wall and extra security for this year. They were going to count the daca kids against the people they were letting in this year. Many repubs are bitching about this.

[chico2663]

Not going to pass DACA without border security. The very reason we have DACA in the first place.

There is no being held hostage. Either we fix why we have a Daca & pass DACA or we revert to the laws on the books. It's the Dems choice.

This just isn't that complicated.

going to be a blood bath this yr. especially if they shut down the govt. We remember how boehner and mcconnell shut down under obama who then took the blame.

[ericc]

The American Dream
"The American Dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement."


Our government needs to do its best to provide we the people the best chance to reach our potential.

[rkelly110]

If a deal can be reached on the DACA's, all good. If one can't then follow the law. Trump offered border security for DACA. Dems rejected it so they go back as the law dictates.

Kelly, Dems won and passed Obamacare. Your team could have passed immigration but didn't. Republicans won and passed tax cuts. It's not complicated. What's peculiar is Dems did not help dreamers in '08-'10 and they won't make a deal now so your blame is misplaced.

You seem to purposely not remember when your boys took control of the house and senate and proceeded to
obstruct everything. Dems got plenty done during their time.

Obama wanted bipartisan DACA legislation from congress, but knew it was hopeless with the party of no, which
was why he took it upon himself later on.

Trump is so hell bent on the wall he campaigned on, he's throwing that in, but will sign whatever they put on his desk.

[RoyBacon]

Incorrect kelly. Obama was afraid to push immigration because he feared the midterm elections. Feel free to google that. I'm not forgetting republicans opposed. I have no problem with dems taking a similar stance. But when DACA's start being deported you have no one to blame but dems. A deal is there but dems would rather obstruct. No prob.

chico, if its a bloodbath, its a bloodbath. You guys really think republicans could face their base by just giving in to DACA without fixing the cause? Do you guys think these things through?

[chico2663]

Incorrect kelly. Obama was afraid to push immigration because he feared the midterm elections. Feel free to google that. I'm not forgetting republicans opposed. I have no problem with dems taking a similar stance. But when DACA's start being deported you have no one to blame but dems. A deal is there but dems would rather obstruct. No prob.

chico, if its a bloodbath, its a bloodbath. You guys really think republicans could face their base by just giving in to DACA without fixing the cause? Do you guys think these things through?

seeing 90 % of repubs are for it. I don't think it matters . If you brush up on your reading skills you would see they passed it but trump thought their wasn't enough commitment to the wall

[RoyBacon]

You guys have been in Fakeville so long maybe there is no honesty to be had.

1) 90% are absolutely NOT for DACA especially if there is a "path"
2) They did not pass anything nor did they have a bill to even vote on. They did have a handful of senators floating around top line bullet points that included a small "down payment" on border security

This reminds me of tax cuts. Dems support tax cuts but Dem leaders told their zombie followers we dont support them now.

Ditto Border Security. Dems support Border Security but Dem leaders tell their zombies we dont now, have to sacrifice DACA's to obstruct...its that important LOL So the DACA folks become the next throw away pawns for Dems.

[chico2663]

You are so stupid. The daca kids had pathways but their parents didn't. The only ones against it are the hard right. Mcconnell,,graham,scott and mccain to name a few are for it

[khicks26]

“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government, I can not be Silent.”

―

Martin Luther King Jr.



Trump has increased drone strikes in the Middle East 10 fold. He's also pumping arms into the Ukraine.


Funny how you guys use King only when you think it fits your agenda.

[RoyBacon]

DACA is unconstitutional. Have it tested in the Supreme Court. Afterwards, deport them and their parents. It's the law. That law btw was written and passed by Dems. After the mid terms try again.

What Dems stupidly dont realize is we already have an immigration law. Dems want to obstruct? Fine. Follow existing law. Everyone happy.

[chico2663]

Shame trump is renting condos to russian's mothers so they can have a child born in usa.

[RoyBacon]

Shame trump is renting condos to russian's mothers so they can have a child born in usa.

As long as they follow the law of the land, written & passed by dems fyi, then Allllll good.