I Just put a 1.5 units on the Raiders to win the AFC West at +500

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  • seaborneq
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    • 09-08-06
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    #1
    I Just put a 1.5 units on the Raiders to win the AFC West at +500
    Carson Palmer, DMac, two speedy receivers on the outside, a new coach, no AL Davis, a rusty Peyton Manning, a broken up Ryan Mathews and missing Vincent Jackson, and a flash in the pan Matt Cassell and a Chiefs coach who got the gig by default. What's could go wrong? Feedback. Thanks.
  • seaborneq
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    • 09-08-06
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    #2
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    • Easy-Rider 66
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      #3
      Where did you get that line? 5D has it at +635. Good value, and they have a shot.
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      • milwaukee mike
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        #4
        i like it at +635
        not so much at +500
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        • crustyme
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          • 09-29-10
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          #5
          who will catch the passes?

          heyward-bust-bey will drop 50 passes that hits him between the numbers. moore will get hurt again. they have tightends who can't catch a cold let alone a pass.

          they need to sign chad Johnson and cooley to have any chance.
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          • Mr Handicapable
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            • 09-23-07
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            #6
            lol...the Raiders will go 5-11. That Carson Palmer trade is one of the worst trades in NFL history. The guy was/is damaged goods....can't throw anymore.
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            • seaborneq
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              • 09-08-06
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              #7
              Originally posted by Mr Handicapable
              lol...the Raiders will go 5-11. That Carson Palmer trade is one of the worst trades in NFL history. The guy was/is damaged goods....can't throw anymore.
              This is undisputable.
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              • baskets
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                • 11-24-11
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                #8
                bye bye 1.5 units
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                • crustyme
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                  • 09-29-10
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                  #9
                  palmer isn't the problem. he was among league leaders in comp%, yds, tds and completions over 20yds.

                  the problem is the receivers. i tuned into a raiders game couple weeks ago and watched heyward-bey drop an easy touchdown and the te juggle every pass.
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                  • seaborneq
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                    • 09-08-06
                    • 22556

                    #10
                    Originally posted by baskets
                    bye bye 1.5 units
                    You trust Denver, Norv, and Cassel more?
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                    • pulledclear
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                      #11
                      That Division is a crap shoot. The Raiders were 10-6 ATS last year. if they stay healthy(and thats a big IF) they could win that GARBAGE Division . the ONLY reason Denver made the playoffs was because the Raiders lost their last game. +635 is a GREAT price!!!
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                      • paranoyd androyd
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                        #12
                        raiders will finish in last place by a wide margin
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                        • pulledclear
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by paranoyd androyd
                          raiders will finish in last place by a wide margin
                          Im going to let you in on a little secret. Peyton Manning is FINISHED!
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                          • paranoyd androyd
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                            #14
                            not expecting much from him either and not a bronco fan. the raiders are just a very bad football team. gl
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                            • PhillyFlyers
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                              • 09-27-11
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by seaborneq
                              Carson Palmer, DMac, two speedy receivers on the outside, a new coach, no AL Davis, a rusty Peyton Manning, a broken up Ryan Mathews and missing Vincent Jackson, and a flash in the pan Matt Cassell and a Chiefs coach who got the gig by default. What's could go wrong? Feedback. Thanks.
                              Palmer is an interception machine. No D-line. No O-line. Dmac the only real offensive threat. DHB has hands like feet. Jacoby Ford plays scared. Raiders finish dead last.
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                              • seaborneq
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                                • 09-08-06
                                • 22556

                                #16
                                Originally posted by paranoyd androyd
                                not expecting much from him either and not a bronco fan. the raiders are just a very bad football team. gl
                                That means you have more faith/confidence in Cassell and Norv. Good luck to you.
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                                • baskets
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                                  • 11-24-11
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                                  #17
                                  sea, how many times after Gruden have the Raiders won the division?
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                                  • baskets
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                                    • 11-24-11
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                                    #18
                                    w/o Gruden they've won the division ONE TIME in the last 30 years ... if I am correct


                                    1984 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1985 Los Angeles Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1986 Denver Broncos 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXI
                                    1987 Denver Broncos 10–4–1 Lost Super Bowl XXII
                                    1988 Seattle Seahawks 9–7–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1989 Denver Broncos 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXIV
                                    1990 Los Angeles Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    1991 Denver Broncos 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    1992 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11–5–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    1994 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXIX
                                    1995 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1996 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1997 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    1998 Denver Broncos 14–2–0 Won Super Bowl XXXIII
                                    1999 Seattle Seahawks 9–7–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                    2000 Oakland Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    2001 Oakland Raiders 10–6–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2002 Oakland Raiders 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXXVII
                                    2003 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2004 San Diego Chargers 12–4–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                    2005 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    2006 San Diego Chargers 14–2–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2007 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                    2008 San Diego Chargers 8–8–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2009 San Diego Chargers 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2010 Kansas City Chiefs 10–6–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                    2011 Denver Broncos 8–8–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                    2012
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                                    • seaborneq
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                                      • 09-08-06
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by baskets
                                      w/o Gruden they've won the division ONE TIME in the last 30 years ... if I am correct


                                      1984 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1985 Los Angeles Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1986 Denver Broncos 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXI
                                      1987 Denver Broncos 10–4–1 Lost Super Bowl XXII
                                      1988 Seattle Seahawks 9–7–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1989 Denver Broncos 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXIV
                                      1990 Los Angeles Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      1991 Denver Broncos 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      1992 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1993 Kansas City Chiefs 11–5–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      1994 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXIX
                                      1995 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1996 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1997 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      1998 Denver Broncos 14–2–0 Won Super Bowl XXXIII
                                      1999 Seattle Seahawks 9–7–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                      2000 Oakland Raiders 12–4–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      2001 Oakland Raiders 10–6–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2002 Oakland Raiders 11–5–0 Lost Super Bowl XXXVII
                                      2003 Kansas City Chiefs 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2004 San Diego Chargers 12–4–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                      2005 Denver Broncos 13–3–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      2006 San Diego Chargers 14–2–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2007 San Diego Chargers 11–5–0 Lost AFC Championship Game
                                      2008 San Diego Chargers 8–8–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2009 San Diego Chargers 13–3–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2010 Kansas City Chiefs 10–6–0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
                                      2011 Denver Broncos 8–8–0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
                                      2012
                                      Yep. If playing the percentages the Raiders would be a no go.
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                                      • rm18
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                                        • 09-20-05
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                                        #20
                                        Chiefs are a mortal lock
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                                        • baskets
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                                          • 11-24-11
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                                          #21
                                          to me, tho, it's not about percentages.

                                          that franchise is shit b/c of Al Davis.... and he left a shit cloud hanging over the team


                                          they won when they had Gruden b/c Gruden is a winning coach.

                                          there is nothing that says the Raiders will be very good or better than Denver or San Diego


                                          bol to you, tho
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                                          • The Kraken
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                                            #22
                                            The play seems fine even though you can get better numbers, I just don't personally like having money tied up that long.
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                                            • baskets
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                                              • 11-24-11
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                                              #23
                                              kraken, go suck a liberal's ding dong
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                                              • BarkingToad
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                                                #24
                                                The health of McFadden will be the biggest factor in the Raiders having a chance to win the division. If he's healthy all year +600 is great value, if he isn't, they won't win.
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                                                • seaborneq
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                                                  • 09-08-06
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                                                  #25
                                                  Raiders have the least amount of question marks in the division. What a division when the Raiders have the most solid outlook coming into a season.
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                                                  • ramones951
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                                                    #26
                                                    Too much focus on skill positions of other teams... I don't think losing Vincent Jackson will hurt the Chargers that much, for example. Definitely not enough to provide any more value for the Raiders...
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                                                    • seaborneq
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                                                      • 09-08-06
                                                      • 22556

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by ramones951
                                                      Too much focus on skill positions of other teams... I don't think losing Vincent Jackson will hurt the Chargers that much, for example. Definitely not enough to provide any more value for the Raiders...
                                                      You think Vincent Jackson's replacement Robert Meacham makes the chargers better?
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                                                      • vaas187
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                                                        #28
                                                        Feedback? Oakland will finish last in the division. Easily. The shittiest team there.
                                                        Mcfadden won't have as big of a year....Chiefs may take the division in my opinion if not 2nd to broncos.
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                                                        • ThaTopMoron
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                                                          #29
                                                          Peyton is going to make you very, very mad this season
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                                                          • ramones951
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by seaborneq
                                                            You think Vincent Jackson's replacement Robert Meacham makes the chargers better?
                                                            Nope. I said they aren't worse. You really think one medium sized downgrade at WR on the Chargers is going to give you extra value on the Raiders? You don't think they are going to spend that large amount of cap space they saved by letting Jackson go to upgrade at other positions?

                                                            Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad play, but I question your reasoning
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                                                            • birdman24
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                                                              #31
                                                              It's gonna go down to the last game I'll tell you that!
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                                                              • seaborneq
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                                                                • 09-08-06
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                                                                #32
                                                                Bad play by me. Same old sorry ass Raiders. New coach, new qb, new gm, new attitude.................As Tim McDonald once said "Same old sorry ass rams"
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                                                                • High3rEl3m3nt
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                                                                  • 09-28-10
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Can you imagine Oakland D trying to defend Manning on the hurry-up?
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                                                                  • seaborneq
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                                                                    • 09-08-06
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                                                                    Can you imagine Oakland D trying to defend Manning on the hurry-up?
                                                                    They can't score. The defense is fine and undisciplined.
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                                                                    • GunShard
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                                                                      • 03-05-10
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Yea, I have the Broncos winning the AFC West. I placed a bet on them during the preseason.

                                                                      You can't trust teams with either poor offense, poor defense or too many penalties.
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