What will happen to Livestrong now?

[TheRifleman]

Again you fail.

The UCI banned Jan Ulrich many years before this cureent Lance fiasco. So where is the hypocrisy?

They stripped Floyd Landis of his one Tour de France win when he tested positive. So where is the hypocrisy?

They banned Contador when he tested positive. So where is the hypocrisy?

They banned Ivan Basso when he tested positive. So where is the hypocrisy?

You are clearly choosing to select what you want to believe and what you don't want to.

You have already proven that you know little about the science of AAS, little about the history of cycling. You probably read a blurb or two on the subject, decided to jump on the "lance is a victim" bandwagon, and now find yourself on the losing end of a debate you regret starting. And I'm not your pal.

yeah, right,pal.....thanks for proving my point, AGAIN! PAL! LOL!! ..first of all, hundreds and hundreds of riders, DOPED, but only a select handful were "caught"...lol....and secondly......all the riders you listed...tested POSITIVE...Lance NEVER TESTED positive......let me repeat, because you are dense...LANCE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE!!! Now, what, you moron???? Ok, pal..now run along, your boyfriend is waiting for those warm lips of yours.......

[EVPlus]

yeah, right,pal.....thanks for proving my point, AGAIN! PAL! LOL!! ..first of all, hundreds and hundreds of riders, DOPED, but only a select handful were "caught"...lol....and secondly......all the riders you listed...tested POSITIVE...Lance NEVER TESTED positive......let me repeat, because you are dense...LANCE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE!!! Now, what, you moron???? Ok, pal..now run along, your boyfriend is waiting for those warm lips of yours.......

Lance did in fact test positive and it was thrown out on a technicality. Again, you prove what a moron you are in cycling history/facts.

So who is the idiot now...?

OJ was acquitted - so he must be innocent of the murders, right? Guilty scum get away in the court of law all the time.

So who is the idiot now...?

The testing, in the Tour and other major races, are usually reserved for the stage winners and a few random racers. Logistically, it is simply impossible to test every single rider. So, of course it stands to reason that we read about the select guys who get busted while others slip under the radar.

So who is the idiot now...?

You keep buring yourself deeper and deeper into the sh1tter every time you post on this subject. And I don't mind pushing the lever that flushes.

[EVPlus]

yeah, right,pal.....thanks for proving my point, AGAIN! PAL! LOL!! ..first of all, hundreds and hundreds of riders, DOPED, but only a select handful were "caught"...lol....and secondly......all the riders you listed...tested POSITIVE...Lance NEVER TESTED positive......let me repeat, because you are dense...LANCE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE!!! Now, what, you moron???? Ok, pal..now run along, your boyfriend is waiting for those warm lips of yours.......

The riders that I mentioned were under the spotlight because they won or came very close to winning. And they all received punishment. This actually ruins your argument that lance is being singled out.

Another example of stupidity on your part. And now you're just trying to save face.

[EVPlus]

therifleman is another fool who will be posting, sooner or later, some thread about how sports betting can't be won and gambling is cruel and the rest of that horsesh1t.

How do I know this? His lack of objectivity, lack of research, and lack of emotional detachment from a losing cause are the ingredients of a fool the books love.

I'll be laughing my ass off when you get buried. And you will get buried.

[TheRifleman]

Lance did in fact test positive and it was thrown out on a technicality. Again, you prove what a moron you are in cycling history/facts.

So who is the idiot now...?

OJ was acquitted - so he must be innocent of the murders, right? Guilty scum get away in the court of law all the time.

So who is the idiot now...?

The testing, in the Tour and other major races, are usually reserved for the stage winners and a few random racers. Logistically, it is simply impossible to test every single rider. So, of course it stands to reason that we read about the select guys who get busted while others slip under the radar.

So who is the idiot now...?

You keep buring yourself deeper and deeper into the sh1tter every time you post on this subject. And I don't mind pushing the lever that flushes.

LOL...yeah, blah, blah, blah, they can't test everybody...sure, pal. EVERYONE dopes, but only 3 or 4 are caught..lol.....you're a complete moron. You have no argument. You're grasping.for anything...now Lance is like Oj....oh, man, make it stop...it hurts......you're DUMB!!

[neverstoppers23]

of course it won't die. it is the cancer foundation. they have so much information on their site alone for cancer patients.

coping with cancer.
clincal trails
message board to connect.

they even will give you free materials, i think its a book on coping, and a cancer diary.

tons of videos.

they give so much to cancer research it won't go under.
lance was just the figure head for it, he was never actually in the planning of the charity.

it helped me a-lot, when i was 15 years old watching his videos. and this whole doping thing doesn;t effect my opinion of lance armstrong at all. he used his fame for good, and worked his ass off. didn't just make some appearances at hospitals once a year. he went to congress, talked at a congressional committee you can say whatever you want about what he did while he was riding a bike. but after that he is a hero to many individuals.

[EVPlus]

LOL...yeah, blah, blah, blah, they can't test everybody...sure, pal. EVERYONE dopes, but only 3 or 4 are caught..lol.....you're a complete moron. You have no argument. You're grasping.for anything...now Lance is like Oj....oh, man, make it stop...it hurts......you're DUMB!!

And how do you know Everyone dopes?

Again, you're showing what a moron you are.

And I didn't imply that lance is a murderer; that getting away under the law and being innocent are two different things.

Again, you're showing what a moron you are.

And like every fool who knows deep inside that he's backing a losing argument, you resort to emoticons.

What's the matter, is mommy not around to hug you good night? Is mommy even in your life?

Or are you like your hero lance, in that your daddy left you when you were a little boy? Do you even know who your daddy is?

Or did mommy get cancer and now lance is your shining light?

What is it? I'd like to know why you are so mentally warped.

[TheRifleman]

And how do you know Everyone dopes?

Again, you're showing what a moron you are.

And I didn't imply that lance is a murderer; that getting away under the law and being innocent are two different things.

Again, you're showing what a moron you are.

And like every fool who knows deep inside that he's backing a losing argument, you resort to emoticons.

What's the matter, is mommy not around to hug you good night? Is mommy even in your life?

Or are you like your hero lance, in that your daddy left you when you were a little boy? Do you even know who your daddy is?

Or did mommy get cancer and now lance is your shining light?

What is it? I'd like to know why you are so mentally warped.

I know you're a dope!!

[EVPlus]

I know you're a dope!!

Now you're making me yawn. That's really the best that you can do?

My guess is that my comments about your mommy or the comment about your daddy is pretty damn close to the mark.

Amazing how predictable you losers are.

It wouldn't surprise me if you are also some overweight piece of shit that is or was thinking of taking up cycling to control your declining health. Yet another reason to cling to Saint Lance with your blind devotion.

Sucks getting caught up in a losing debate, doesn't it? Deep inside, you know you've been pawned. Now, it's all about saving face with lame statements and emoticons.

There was some piece of shit I had fun with a few months back in the nba forum. His behaviour is just like yours. Amazing how predictable the losers of the world are.

[TheRifleman]

yeah, If I don't know what i'm talking about, nobody else does either.....EXCEPT YOU, cause you're so so bright!! LOL!!

you've been PWNED!! PAL!!
http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/F...Farce-20121023

http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/Fans-blast-Tour-de-Farce-20121023

"There are only two types of 'athletes' in the Tour de Farce, those who take hard-to-detect steroids, and those who haven't been caught yet." - Charles Dumbwin

"The past 20 years of cycling has been a farce. They were ALL doing it. Those that didn't do it simply couldn't compete and they never rode for top teams. Why USADA launched this massive witch hunt to discredit Armstrong makes no sense. All that they have done is confirm that the sport was tainted and raised questions about every cyclist that ever succeeded during the past 20 years. Armstrong IS the best there ever was, he competed on a level playing field against all the other dopers and won." - frank.vankaapstad

In Lance's days everyone did it! As a matter of fact, all 20 samples tested retrospectively in 2003 from TDF in 1999, were positive for EPO! That was 20 different riders at the prologue!Lance has to take the fall for EVERYONE, because he was so successful. As Tyler Hamilton said: 'we had to find a way, everyone else did'." - jurie.grobler

"That's why I have suggested they drop all results from that era. No-one can rightly claim the crown convincingly now. The sporting body and doping agencies were asleep at the wheel and THEY should also take the fall and be charged for incompetence." - John

"Laurent Fignon, TDF winner 1983 and 84 (yes, nearly 30 years), wrote in his autobiagraphy of the drug which dominated his era - cortisone, which was undetectable - pretty much all he tells us is this: "We didn't feel like we were cheating: each of us settled matters with his own conscience. And in any case, everyone did it." His attitude to the doping of his era is perhaps best summed up thusly: "I would never have dreamed of taking a drug that might be detected on the day of a race." Which pretty much sums up the attitude of too many cyclists to drugs: it's not doping if you can get away with it." - rinus.groeneveld.7

"If you check, the earliest admitted "doping" was in 1923 when the cyclists were using ether as a painkiller. I don't care what anyone says, they ALL dope, just some get caught and some don't. The only reason they are getting caught now is because they are keeping samples until the testing technology catches up with the drugs." - Gungets Tuft

[TheRifleman]

Now you're making me yawn. That's really the best that you can do?

My guess is that my comments about your mommy or the comment about your daddy is pretty damn close to the mark.

Amazing how predictable you losers are.

It wouldn't surprise me if you are also some overweight piece of shit that is or was thinking of taking up cycling to control your declining health. Yet another reason to cling to Saint Lance with your blind devotion.

Sucks getting caught up in a losing debate, doesn't it? Deep inside, you know you've been pawned. Now, it's all about saving face with lame statements and emoticons.

There was some piece of shit I had fun with a few months back in the nba forum. His behaviour is just like yours. Amazing how predictable the losers of the world are.

go find some other place to troll, you dumb-ass, troll moron....you know zero about cycling, or anything else.

[TheRifleman]

EVPminus

[EVPlus]

yeah, If I don't know what i'm talking about, nobody else does either.....EXCEPT YOU, cause your so bright!! LOL!!

you're been PWNED!! PAL!!
http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/F...Farce-20121023

http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/Fans-blast-Tour-de-Farce-20121023

"There are only two types of 'athletes' in the Tour de Farce, those who take hard-to-detect steroids, and those who haven't been caught yet." - Charles Dumbwin

"The past 20 years of cycling has been a farce. They were ALL doing it. Those that didn't do it simply couldn't compete and they never rode for top teams. Why USADA launched this massive witch hunt to discredit Armstrong makes no sense. All that they have done is confirm that the sport was tainted and raised questions about every cyclist that ever succeeded during the past 20 years. Armstrong IS the best there ever was, he competed on a level playing field against all the other dopers and won." - frank.vankaapstad

In Lance's days everyone did it! As a matter of fact, all 20 samples tested retrospectively in 2003 from TDF in 1999, were positive for EPO! That was 20 different riders at the prologue!Lance has to take the fall for EVERYONE, because he was so successful. As Tyler Hamilton said: 'we had to find a way, everyone else did'." - jurie.grobler

"That's why I have suggested they drop all results from that era. No-one can rightly claim the crown convincingly now. The sporting body and doping agencies were asleep at the wheel and THEY should also take the fall and be charged for incompetence." - John

"Laurent Fignon, TDF winner 1983 and 84 (yes, nearly 30 years), wrote in his autobiagraphy of the drug which dominated his era - cortisone, which was undetectable - pretty much all he tells us is this: "We didn't feel like we were cheating: each of us settled matters with his own conscience. And in any case, everyone did it." His attitude to the doping of his era is perhaps best summed up thusly: "I would never have dreamed of taking a drug that might be detected on the day of a race." Which pretty much sums up the attitude of too many cyclists to drugs: it's not doping if you can get away with it." - rinus.groeneveld.7

"If you check, the earliest admitted "doping" was in 1923 when the cyclists were using ether as a painkiller. I don't care what anyone says, they ALL dope, just some get caught and some don't. The only reason they are getting caught now is because they are keeping samples until the testing technology catches up with the drugs." - Gungets Tuft

And this does nothing to hurt my argument that Lance may have responded better and his team was better at the logistics of doping.

Because you know little about the history of cycling (other than what you can scrape from google), I'll let you in on a secret. Lance and his team were the FIRST to prioritize winning the Tour de France at the expense of all other races. Therefore, it stands to reason that Lance and his team were also the first to really refine doping for himself as well as his team mates (i.e. the hiring of Ferrari).

So you've essentially backpeddled into square one:

If everyone is doping, then isn't the playing field an even one?

And I stated this is the last piece of illusion that Lance lovers are clinging onto. The simple fact is, some respond better to drugs than others. We have no way of knowing if Lance's nearest competitors were great responders. We do know what a control freak, detail-oriented nutjob Lance was. This explains just how they were so adept at doping and not getting caught. This means more frequent blood transfusions during the course of a three week race. If you have Lance's team doping more frequently and under the guidance of a better doctor, of course they are going to have an advantage.

At least, to your credit, you've dropped the childish emoticons.

[TheRifleman]

PWNED!!

[EVPlus]

PWNED!!

Not even close. Read my above post.

[TheRifleman]

And this does nothing to hurt my argument that Lance may have responded better and his team was better at the logistics of doping.

Because you know little about the history of cycling (other than what you can scrape from google), I'll let you in on a secret. Lance and his team were the FIRST to prioritize winning the Tour de France at the expense of all other races. Therefore, it stands to reason that Lance and his team were also the first to really refine doping for himself as well as his team mates (i.e. the hiring of Ferrari).

So you've essentially backpeddled into square one:

If everyone is doping, then isn't the playing field an even one?

And I stated this is the last piece of illusion that Lance lovers are clinging onto. The simple fact is, some respond better to drugs than others. We have no way of knowing if Lance's nearest competitors were great responders. We do know what a control freak, detail-oriented nutjob Lance was. This explains just how they were so adept at doping and not getting caught. This means more frequent blood transfusions during the course of a three week race. If you have Lance's team doping more frequently and under the guidance of a better doctor, of course they are going to have an advantage.

At least, to your credit, you've dropped the childish emoticons.

Just STFU..you lost, now scram... PAL...LMFAO!!!

[EVPlus]

Just STFU..you lost, now scram... PAL...LMFAO!!!

And back to childish emoticons.

I must have struck a nerve with my comment about your mommy and daddy. Where is mommy...? Ask her to hug you, you'll feel better.

[EVPlus]

Hey rifleman, I just had a thought as I was posting a comment about another fool that I predicted would get buried (and he did).

You can be like lance and date (if you can actually find dates that don't involve cash transactions) that resemble your mom. This will, in a perverse way, take care of Oedipus Rex issues you have with your parents.

[TheRifleman]

right, pal..now just walk away. SLOWLY, while nobody's watching, with your tail between your legs, feeling like the loser you were before u started posting your total nonsense....nothing has changed!!

LMFAO!!

[EVPlus]

^^^Regarding that above thread. You should take up cycling, bro. It's a low-impact exercise that chubby fukks like you can do to manage your breasts. Obviously, you need to do some resistance exercises and clean up your diet but that's beyond the scope of this thread.

I don't know if you currently have type 2 or are in danger of it like most shithead trolls on this forum. But from what I've read (because I have no first hand experience), I hear it can be a b1tch.

So, get on that bike, young man! Lose the man boobs!

Oh, jesus, now I'm laughing. Really really laughing. These days with nothing on the card are actually not that bad...

[EVPlus]

Hey rifleman - don't get any fatter, you pathetic sack of shit. Adipose tissues can not only hypertrophy, they can also split. That's right, you oinker! Fat cells can split. Think about that as you're dipping the pizza crust into the garlic butter dip!

God damn, I just found my b1tch for the night. Bless you rifleman, you greasy pork-smelling man-boobed mommy-less loser you!

[TheRifleman]

Hey, troll...I happen to be a runner..I've run at least 20 marathons in my life and I rarely miss a day going to the gym.

Now, what, troll....lmfao!! Hook you pinky finger on to my pants pocket..you're now my pump for life...

EVMinus

[EVPlus]

Hey, troll...I happen to be a runner..I've run at least 20 marathons in my life and I rarely miss a day going to the gym.

Now, what, troll....lmfao!! Hook you pinky finger on to my pants pocket..you're now my pump for life...

EVMinus

What a fukking moron...20 marathons???

So you're now a scrawny fukk that thinks running over 20 miles is cool?

Distance runners are pathetic shits that have zero athletic talent. No wonder they give a medal to every fukk that finishes a marathon. That's right, you're all winners.

Riiiiiiiight. What a sad clown you are.

And what took you so long to make this comment...?

It's because you're either lying and indeed a fat sack of shit.

Or you are telling the truth and a skinny-fat twig of shit.

Either way, you're a loser.

Oh, and if you are a runner, congrats on the impending knee problems, plantar fasciitis, lack of muscle tone, inability to fight your a55 out of a paper bag, and a bony chest that makes the hot chicks shield their eyes at the beach.

So, which is it you dumb fukk???

Oh my god, you are my bitch. This is too easy and too amusing.

Hey, if I don't respond soon to another one of your impotent posts, don't worry. I'm headed to the gym to lift some heavy ass shit, real fukking cardio, and I'll be back to punk you some more. I promise.

[EVPlus]

Hey, troll...I happen to be a runner..I've run at least 20 marathons in my life and I rarely miss a day going to the gym.

Now, what, troll....lmfao!! Hook you pinky finger on to my pants pocket..you're now my pump for life...

EVMinus

Your idea of a gym session is pumping those chrome-plated 10 pound dbs while balancing one legged on a bosu ball.

Or you're one of pathetic chumps that live and die by the hammer strength and smith machine bench press and wonder why you're not getting stronger.

Fukk you. Pu55ys like you are the laughing stock at real gyms.

And this is all if you are even telling the truth. I still suspect you have man-boobs, pasty white skin, don't know how to talk to girls, has unresolved parental issues.

[EVPlus]

Hell, I've seen plenty of marathon runners with man-boobs and guts. This is because they have no clue about the hormonal effects of that lame endeavor called marathon running.

But, of course, this is all in line with your overall stupidity. So, go ahead and google Respiratory Exchange Ratio (just like you googled some half-assed quotes about cyclists). I'd also throw in some relevant research on the catabolic effects of your lame sport that you supposedly do but you're too dumb to get even that.

So, not only do you know shit about one-nut lance, you know shit about cycling, you know shit about proper training and adaptation, and - just like deemer and the rest of those loser trolls - you'll soon prove you know nothing about sports wagering.

Dumb sad going no-where pasty flabby motherfukker.

[EVPlus]

And let's add fugly to that list. I'd offer great odds you have a face that only your mother can love.

[TheRifleman]

lol..troll. I tell you what, why don't you meet me face to face and say that to my face.

Where can we do this??

For whatever it's worth, I'm 6'4, 235, of LEAN muscle. I am also a CHAMPION martial artist.....ask the poster "THE GIANT", he knows who I am.

Now, what TROLL? LMFAO!! You're still my girl, though!!!



Tell him, RichardA sent you....

[neverstoppers23]

this is way off topic. but riffle man. i do not get your e.c break down at all. you have wisky and pa for romney? when polls are double digits there for both in some polls. is that just a dream you had?

[EVPlus]

lol..troll. I tell you what, why don't you meet me face to face and say that to my face.

Where can we do this??

For whatever it's worth, I'm 6'4, 235, of LEAN muscle. I am also a CHAMPION martial artist.....ask the poster "THE GIANT", he knows who I am.

Now, what TROLL? LMFAO!! You're still my girl, though!!!



Tell him, RichardA sent you....

Fukk you, you worthless piece of sh1t. You think you have any credibility to me?

You know shit about cycling. You know shit about the science of how AAS works.

You're either a fat ugly fukk or a scrawny ugly fukk.

And even if you are captain america like you describe, I will meet you any time you motherless pu55y.

[EVPlus]

champion martial artist!

oh my fukking god, you are comic gold. that shit doesn't work on the street, you dumbest of a55holes.

next thing you're going to tell me is that you do MMA and you'll get me in an armbar. well, while my one arm is in jeopardy, I'll take my good arm and gouge your eyes out. my arm will heal, you'll be sightless the rest of your life

this is street fighting. there's no tapping out and there sure ain't no refs.

you dare threaten me, you pu55y? your whore of a mother must have dropped you on your head when she crapped you out into the world in some back alley

[EVPlus]

this is way off topic. but riffle man. i do not get your e.c break down at all. you have wisky and pa for romney? when polls are double digits there for both in some polls. is that just a dream you had?

That demographic pic, the piece of shit has is just another example of how out of touch with reality he is. Read every single post on this thread and it clearly shows he's either some pathetic kid or a borderline retard. Or both.

[EVPlus]

I don't need to go the the giant or anyone else to know what a pu55y you are, riflebitch.

Pull that 6'4" 235 of lean muscle martial arts champion bullshit in my back yard and reality will take a steaming dump on your world.

riflebitch, you continue to amuse me while proving to everyone who reads your posts what an idiot coward you are.

[EVPlus]

riflebitch

clueless about what a scumbag lance is

clueless about the history of cycling

clueless about the physiology of cycling with or without peds

claims to have run over 20 marathons and claims to be all muscle at over 200 pounds. that comment alone shows the world just how full of shit you are.

claims to be a "champion martial artist"

cannot win what should have been an adult debate about lance so he takes things personal using emoticons to support his idiocy

congratulations, riflebitch. in an impotent effort to get in the last word you've made a complete and utter fool of yourself.

I said it before and I'll say it again: you're a two-bit punk bordering on mental retardation whose whore of a mother did something to fukk with your psyche. That about sums you up.

[convick]

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=1

Fraud.

[TheRifleman]

champion martial artist!

oh my fukking god, you are comic gold. that shit doesn't work on the street, you dumbest of a55holes.

next thing you're going to tell me is that you do MMA and you'll get me in an armbar. well, while my one arm is in jeopardy, I'll take my good arm and gouge your eyes out. my arm will heal, you'll be sightless the rest of your life

this is street fighting. there's no tapping out and there sure ain't no refs.

you dare threaten me, you pu55y? your whore of a mother must have dropped you on your head when she crapped you out into the world in some back alley

I tell you what tough-guy, I'm going to be in Vegas the first week of December.2-10...I'm staying at the Mirage. If you could get there, maybe get a little vacation time..does Burger King give vacation time? We can get this done at Sunset Park at midnight...it's a huge park. we can Find a nice spot where you;re life will change forever....but, you are a punk-ass bitch boy, and you WILL with 100% certainty....make excuses as to WHY you can't show....I already know, bitch-boy....LMFAO!!