Kazmir at +100? This a joke?

[ryanXL977]

He was terribly fortunate to make it through 6. One lucky man.

Anyway, Kazmir has gone 6 innings or more like 15 or 16 times this season. "never ever ever"?

thats why i wrote not terribly often
he was lucky to go thru 6

[yisman]

I just think the Rays were the better play tonight, and having predicted a low scoring affair, and it being a 3-2 game through the sixth, I still obviously like their chances. Nothing's a certainty.

Maybe before the game, but I just don't see how you could be so confident seeing how the game is going.

Kazmir was bad. The Rays are lucky to still be in this game.

[yisman]

youd lay -200 on a road game with a 2 run lead in the 4th yisman? seriously?

That was several innings ago. It keeps changing. Now it's down to -140.

[yisman]

thats why i wrote not terribly often
he was lucky to go thru 6

half his starts, man. Half his starts.

[ryanXL977]

kazmir did what kazmir always does
allow 3 runs in 6 innings
he wasnt bad. he allowed a 2 run jack, pretty much it right there
bad he wasnt, good he wasnt. but 3 runs in 6 is fine with rays backers id bet

[ryanXL977]

half his starts, man. Half his starts.

yes i know, i am aware
he is a 5-6 inning guy
happy now?

[firedawg]

about what i expected

kazmir did what kazmir always does
allow 3 runs in 6 innings
he wasnt bad. he allowed a 2 run jack, pretty much it right there
bad he wasnt, good he wasnt. but 3 runs in 6 is fine with rays backers id bet

[yisman]

he did 3 in 6, but he was extremely lucky. The way he pitched, it should've been more like 6 or 7 runs.

Rays are very much in it because of a few fortunate plays by them and stupid plays by the Phillies.

The way Kazmir pitched, this game could've been blown right open several innings ago.

and yeah, 5-6 makes more sense.

[ryanXL977]

but it wasnt, and you have to give him credit for that. the pitcher held them in it.

[yisman]

yeah, he did pitch out of it a few times; I just don't think he's the reason they're still in it. Poor start, and I bet he'd tell you that himself.

Anyway, now it's up to Howell, Balfour, and Wheeler and hope the lineup scores off the Philly pen.

[SBR Lou]

Slow, grind 'em out game. This is baseball at its best.

[ryanXL977]

if howard could get a run in here, i can relax a bit bc lidge will have to go thru crawdaddy, longo and pena

[ryanXL977]

ryan howard is so goddamned worthless

[Tsoprano]

Slow, grind 'em out game. This is baseball at its best.

This is "Just For Men" sales at it's best.

[ryanXL977]

nobody can complain about upton with how many runners the phils have left on

[SBR Lou]

This is "Just For Men" sales at it's best.

Even with money at stake, I'm more excited for NBA action...Going to order the League Pass package on HDTV...

[sportsguy04]

Ill feel alot better about this game if the Rays can get out of this inning with out letting that runner on third score.

[ryanXL977]

i love the nba package, i bought the nhl one this yr

i wish i could cancel the espn gameplan bs college package
no hd, crap games

[yisman]

yeah, it's amazing the way Phillies leave runners on base.

I primarily blame Howard. He just doesn't come up big in the playoffs. Twice he had a runner on 3rd with 1 out and he struck out.

[ryanXL977]

rollins also has been awful
thank god for shane and werth and utley in th eloffs

[yisman]

Ryan Howard:

20 playoff games batting cleanup in a good lineup. 6 RBI.


Rollins just isn't a great hitter. He never deserved the MVP and this year he reverted to his real self (.270-.280 hitter, .330 OBP, 10-15 HR power). The guys that scare me are Chase Utley and Shane Victorino. Werth would be third, because he can also hit.

[yisman]

huge strikeout there

[sportsguy04]

That strike out is huge for us Tampa Backers.

[Tsoprano]

GREAT stikeout. Another inning-ending relief.

[ryanXL977]

rollins did deserve mvp last yr i think

[yisman]

"rollins did deserve mvp last yr i think"

not to derail this thread, but his OBP was under .350 and he wasn't nearly as valuable to his team as guys like Hanley Ramirez and David Wright. Hell, I would've given it to Pujols last year instead of Rollins. Voters like to give it to Phillies for some reason.

[SBR Lou]

Let's go Rays.

[SBR Lou]

Well, win lose or draw, I am a man of my word and I'll admit that Hamels was sharper tonight. Kazmir did skate away from big trouble and Hamels himself escaped bases loaded and stuff like that, but even though it's a 3-2 game in the 8th, I was expecting more out of Kazmir this evening.

Good luck to everyone with an inning left.

[moneyline]

Giving up 3 runs in 6 innings is called a quality start actually ... in case ya didn't know. And if your team has any kind of bullpen and offense, if you are able to do it every time, you win 18-22 games ...

[yisman]

quality start is a crap stat and also, it doesn't tell the whole story. A pitcher could be sharp and have bad luck and allow 3 in 6 or he could be bad and give up 3 in 6 because of getting some good bounces and stupid plays by the other team. Kazmir was the latter.

Plus, when you're facing Cole Hamels, 6 innings and 3 runs allowed ain't gonna cut it.

[ohdear]

can Ryan Howard honestly go another important AB without a hit? if there's ever a time to call a guy due it's right now

[SBR Lou]

Good call Hamel and Philly backers, you deserved it.

[yisman]

No such thing as due when it's Ryan Howard in the playoffs.

[TPowell]

wow Hamels at even money? I would have hit that hard!