THE REAL John Mccain

[ryanXL977]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

[Deuce]

I want to take my political advice from Rolling Stone. Largely written by hippies and left wing radicals.

Listen pal, we're doomed either outcome of this election. Obama will get in office, nothing will change, but I fear he will fukk the health market up. McCain is just as bad, I'd rather see Biden/Palin ticket to be honest.

[durito]

What is the Health Market?

[Deuce]

What is the Health Market?

Reforming health care to the point of no return.

[etothep]

How can you be scared shitless of obama & mccain, but want to see palin in the white house?

[ryanXL977]

yes health care is so good right now, im sure they would **** it up

europe has such awful healthcare

good god dude

the link is more making fun of the dipshit ms6513 than anything else

i guess you can read it or not

[durito]

Reforming health care to the point of no return.

Yea it's so great now.


So great that I dropped my US health plan for one in a third world country.

[daggerkobe]

Just like a neocon to attack the publication rather than dispute the validity of the article.

[Deuce]

How can you be scared shitless of obama & mccain, but want to see palin in the white house?

Well, I know what you are saying here. They give each other a fine median. Palin is shaky, but she is very politically bright. She may come off as a nit wit, but she knows her shit.

I see this being just like the Carter years. Republicans were in office prior, the market tanks, recession, Carter is the new Messiah, just like Obama is portrayed as, comes in does nothing but give us another 4 miserable years, paves way for Reagan. We just now need to find our Reagan.

[daggerkobe]

How can you be scared shitless of obama & mccain, but want to see palin in the white house?

Just a neocon trick. Act like they are undecided but somehow always support McCoot/Pregnant 100%.

[Deuce]

yes health care is so good right now, im sure they would **** it up

europe has such awful healthcare

good god dude

the link is more making fun of the dipshit ms6513 than anything else

i guess you can read it or not

I have fantastic health care. I pay 5 dollars for my scripts, office visits free, etc. The thing here is most of the people that are uninsured are the people that have no jobs, no care to get a job, live off of government handouts and/or don't even belong in this country at all. If people have major health issues as is, they go to the ER and tax payers pay for it anyways.

[ryanXL977]

nobody called obama a messiah
but this country and our economics are so ****ed, more of the exact same shit isnt gonna cut it

and palin doesnt know hher shit
she studied for her debates , good for her
she is not smart. she is an alaskan small town mayor and not a very good one considering her town love meth

[Deuce]

Just like a neocon to attack the publication rather than dispute the validity of the article.

If you really feel this way, you sir are a neolib. There is no validity of the article. I could find dirt on Obama too, none of us know the validity so what would be the point?

[Deuce]

nobody called obama a messiah
but this country and our economics are so ****ed, more of the exact same shit isnt gonna cut it

and palin doesnt know hher shit
she studied for her debates , good for her
she is not smart. she is an alaskan small town mayor and not a very good one considering her town love meth

Bidens state is probably one of the largest drug trafficking states on the country. That means nothing about Bidens character though or his political values.

[ryanXL977]

most people dont have health care like that

and who lives off the government? this isnt the 1960s dude, where are these people? dyou know them? i dont know anyone without a job. i dont know one person who lives off the government. its another strawman bullshit argument

id rather pay for others healthcare than a trillion dollar war and a military we barely need

[ryanXL977]

Bidens state is probably one of the largest drug trafficking states on the country. That means nothing about Bidens character though or his political values.

biden doesnt run the police force in delaware, she does in alaska

[Deuce]

most people dont have health care like that

and who lives off the government? this isnt the 1960s dude, where are these people? dyou know them? i dont know anyone without a job. i dont know one person who lives off the government. its another strawman bullshit argument

id rather pay for others healthcare than a trillion dollar war and a military we barely need

lolol

I guess you don't live in Michigan where 8% of the population is unemployed. Food stamps, unemployment benefits, WIC, Bridge, etc. This shit is everywhere. Don't try to say its strawman when you don't have a clue about the issue.

In regards to European health systems, they appoint you where to go to get health care. You wait on waiting lists depending on severity of your concern. The United States has some of the best physicians world wide because it is a private sector. You would essentially be paying more money in taxes (close to what you pay now for health care) for inadequate service. I don't see how/why you would want that.

For the record, McCain raising taxes on health care benefits is retarted and I don't support that at all either.

[durito]

I have fantastic health care. I pay 5 dollars for my scripts, office visits free, etc. The thing here is most of the people that are uninsured are the people that have no jobs, no care to get a job, live off of government handouts and/or don't even belong in this country at all. If people have major health issues as is, they go to the ER and tax payers pay for it anyways.

This is so unbelievably not true. You only have all of that because you've never been sick. The ER thing is just a Republican scare tactic. They only treat emergent conditions at the ER. So if you have cancer, aids, etc they turn you away until you are dying -- then they admit you, which ends up costing the hospital and taxpayers FAR MORE than if they could have been treated when they were less sick.

I had cancer at 22 and yes I had good insurance and got great treatment. It cost $150,000 and I wasn't charged a dime (same treatment costs $7,000 in mexico though). After my treatment was done my insurance raised my premium to $1,700 a month.

$1,700 a month for a 23 year old individual policy. Changing companies would mean no coverage in case of a re-occurrance of my cancer, which though the chances were <5% was not something to be risked.


Down here in the third world my policy is about $100 a month. It includes house calls, prescriptions, and even treatment in the US if I happen to be there.

[durito]

8% of the population is unemployed

You realize that's one of the lowest rates in the history of the world, right?

[Deuce]

This is so unbelievably not true. You only have all of that because you've never been sick. The ER thing is just a Republican scare tactic. They only treat emergent conditions at the ER. So if you have cancer, aids, etc they turn you away until you are dying -- then they admit you, which ends up costing the hospital and taxpayers FAR MORE than if they could have been treated when they were less sick.

I had cancer at 22 and yes I had good insurance and got great treatment. It cost $150,000 and I wasn't charged a dime (same treatment costs $7,000 in mexico though). After my treatment was done my insurance raised my premium to $1,700 a month.

$1,700 a month for a 23 year old individual policy. Changing companies would mean no coverage in case of a re-occurrance of my cancer, which though the chances were <5% was not something to be risked.


Down here in the third world my policy is about $100 a month. It includes house calls, prescriptions, and even treatment in the US if I happen to be there.

What company was it if you don't mind me asking? Did you shop around different markets i/e BCBS, Aetna, BCN, etc? Sounds pretty severe.

[daggerkobe]

If you really feel this way, you sir are a neolib. There is no validity of the article. I could find dirt on Obama too, none of us know the validity so what would be the point?

It's not about dirt. It's about people that know McCoot the best, a friend/confidant, a fellow maverick congressman who voted against Bush with him and a fellow Hanoi-Hilton POW talking about what makes him tick. It's far more revealing than what I had known about him.

If you have such "dirt" on Obama, post it. I would love to read about what makes him tick from people that know him best.

[Deuce]

You realize that's one of the lowest rates in the history of the world, right?

Yet one of the highest in the country. We're talking America here not the World. I am not trying to praise America or sound ignorant just that is what we are speaking about here.

[mmike032]

Ted Nugent for president

[Deuce]

It's not about dirt. It's about people that know McCoot the best, a friend/confidant, a fellow maverick congressman who voted against Bush with him and a fellow Hanoi-Hilton POW talking about what makes him tick. It's far more revealing than what I had known about him.

If you have such "dirt" on Obama, post it. I would love to read about what makes him tick from people that know him best.

What is the point? It will be deemed racists/ignorant/neocon. You don't have educated rebuttles, you spew neocon/McCoot. You're simply ignorant. Pick up a newspaper before you step up to the plate with the adults.

[ryanXL977]

what do you disagree with in the article

[durito]

What company was it if you don't mind me asking? Did you shop around different markets i/e BCBS, Aetna, BCN, etc? Sounds pretty severe.

I had aetna through my dad's business, they left Colorado at the end of my treatment and my policy was transferred to anthem/blue shield/blue cross.

I could not shop around as new policies exclude pre-existing conditions, which includes the cancer even though at the time there was no sign of it in my body. After 5 years you are considered cured and you can get a normal policy.

I shopped around the world and the policy I found here fit the best (note this is not Socialized medicine here in that everyone does not have the same policy, they have gov't coverage for poor people -- which helps keep overall costs down -- and rich people can buy whatever private coverage they want. this is remarkably similar to obamas plan)

[daggerkobe]

Oh, you mean the URBAN LEGENDS and OUTRIGHT LIES that your neocon pal ms posts on a daily basis?

That aint news, retard, that's unfounded propaganda that mentally slow people like you eat up on a daily basis.

But then again, you think abortion should be outlawed because only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape/incest. I'm sure if your daughter was raped by a gang of black hoodlums and pregnant with triplets. You would probably perform the abortion yourself with a coat hanger.

[Deuce]

what do you disagree with in the article

That it is a smear tactic by RollingStone.

For the record, I dislike McCain. He does nothing for me. He is the lesser of two evils though. Obama wants to reform everything this country has ever stood for. Even his own party disagrees with him.

[durito]

Yet one of the highest in the country. We're talking America here not the World. I am not trying to praise America or sound ignorant just that is what we are speaking about here.

I'm just pointing out that even in the history of the US, 8% unemployment is low.

Recessions as recently as 20 years ago saw rates over 10% in the USA. I don't think we go that high this time around, but I bet you we see 8% nationwide next year.

[Deuce]

Oh, you mean the URBAN LEGENDS and OUTRIGHT LIES that your neocon pal ms posts on a daily basis?

That aint news, retard, that's unfounded propaganda that mentally slow people like you eat up on a daily basis.

But then again, you think abortion should be outlawed because only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape/incest. I'm sure if your daughter was raped by a gang of black hoodlums and pregnant with triplets. You would probably perform the abortion yourself with a coat hanger.

Don't put words in my mouth pal. I never said they should be outlawed. They should be causeworthy. They shouldn't be doing abortions because the dumb whore forgot to close her legs or the cock sucker didnt feel like wearing a jimmy hat because it doesn't feel as well.

[daggerkobe]

Smear tactic by Rolling Stone.

The same idiot that eats up every URBAN LEGEND that ms posts on a daily basis.

[Deuce]

Smear tactic by Rolling Stone.

The same idiot that eats up every URBAN LEGEND that ms posts on a daily basis.

Are you that thick headed? I never said any of his shit was my values. When he posts shit like, "GWB is a great president" I shake my head pal. Get your facts straight before you open up your cock suckers.

[daggerkobe]

Don't put words in my mouth pal. I never said they should be outlawed. They should be causeworthy. They shouldn't be doing abortions because the dumb whore forgot to close her legs or the cock sucker didnt feel like wearing a jimmy hat because it doesn't feel as well.

Then why are you supporting Palin who is against teaching safe sex in schools?

Rather than trying to stop sex, wouldn't safe sex and morning after pills curb unwanted pregnancies and thus less abortions?

[daggerkobe]

I have never seen you use the words "smear tactic" to describe any of ms' posts.

[Deuce]

Then why are you supporting Palin who is against teaching safe sex in schools?

Rather than trying to stop sex, wouldn't safe sex and morning after pills curb unwanted pregnancies and thus less abortions?

So I can't support someone if I disagree in one of her many concerns? I am not a neocon that you try to pound here pal. I agree in reform as well. Sex should be taught. The dangers/risks and everything involved needs to be taught starting with contraception and/or abstinence.