Who really won the debate last night
Since I didn't really watch it last night I'm not sure who won. I'm hearing that some sources claim it was Sarah Palin while others say Joe Biden.
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i didn't catch it and i don't got that wonderful invention we all call TIVO any good stuff?
CHRIS ROCK ON LETTERMAN
dave: "hey Chris what do you think about the election"
chris: couple minutes later " what is wrong with this white woman i saw her holding a riffle over her right shoulder and a dead moose behind her, and Michael Vick in jail like "why the **** am i in here"
" white woman wanna kill a moose oh well black man wanna kill a dog prison"Comment -
Palin got rocked, that said she did 10x better than anyone expected so that just tells you had bad she is to begin withComment -
I didn't watch it but did read the transcript and I found myself laughing at some stuff Palin was saying but I could kind of take Biden seriously, so I guess that gives it to Joe.Comment -
Originally posted by bigboydan
How Sarah Palin Won The DebateComment -
I imagine if you read the transcript instead of watched on TV, Biden was an even bigger winner. Palin had no substance. Been waiting for her to say almost anything substantial, she can't answer anything that's not pre-writtenComment -
I did by not watching that crap.
Politicians are the lowest form of life...Comment -
Jack Layton without a doubt.Comment -
odds moved shorter on Obama today.. may indicate that Biden won.Comment -
Depends on who you like going in. I really doubt that last night changed anyone's mind from one candidate to the other.Comment -
by enough to give the conservatives a majority?Originally posted by Masu485Comment -
I feel both did their job. Biden didn't do anything to hurt the nice lead Obama has and Sarah didn't make any major mistakes which is in some way a victory for McCain. Saw a poll on CNN Biden won 51% to 36%, I would call it a draw.Comment -
I would have loved to see Wayne Root get on stage with them and debate. All John Stewart would have to do for a few shows worth of material was just air the debate.Comment -
Biden won like 60-40Comment -
If Sarah Palin's head spun around like Linda Blair in The Exorcist, rm would still have a link to an article about her dominance.Originally posted by ms61853Comment -
My wife won the debate in my house after coming home from her business trip and finding out I forgot to water all of the plants on the front deck for three days. I am grounded and will not be able to watch Mythbusters or Walker, Texas Ranger for two weeks.Comment -
Palin did not belong on that stage. She had no substantive answers, continually evaded questions, and sounded like she barely graduated high school. Meanwhile, Biden was composed, consise, and direct when answering the questions. It wasn't even close. It was like Brock Lesnar against Gary Coleman in a cage fight...Comment -
Then why did some reports have her winning then?Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
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Because they are partisan hack jobs and she met already low expectations. Find me one scientific poll that says the public agrees with that assessment. You can't, "I betcha."Comment -
its funny, the country is in such bad shape its so easy to say, oh they all suck. there is no evidence that obama sucks. if he sucks, we will vote him out
we already know mccain sucks, weve seen the evidence for 8 yrs
palin is a loose whoreComment -
Unless Palin would have pee'd herself or drooled out of the side of her mouth, the Republican spin factory was going to claim it a victory. That should be obvious to anyone...Comment -
maverick
you betch
energy independence
joe six pack
hockey moms
im soldComment -
Polls: Biden won debate, though Palin did well
By DAVID LIGHTMAN
McClatchy Newspapers
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- http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.poll/
- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/327/story/53334.html
- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/46166.html
- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/
- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/03/politics/2008debates/main4497138.shtml
- What Palin and Biden got wrong
- In debate, both candidates accomplished their primary missions
- Palin, Biden stake out differences
- Palin stands toe-to-toe with Biden, but that doesn't change the race
- Biden, Palin compete for role of middle-class champion
- Palin, Biden chiefly debate tax policies
Joe Biden won Thursday night's vice presidential debate, according to two national polls, giving the Democrats fresh, important momentum Friday as the campaign for the White House enters its final month.
A CBS News/Knowledge Networks survey of 500 uncommitted voters taken after the debate Thursday night found that 46 percent thought Biden won, while 21 percent gave Republican Sarah Palin the victory. While two-thirds found Palin knowledgeable about important issues, 98 percent said the same about Biden.
A separate CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey found similar views, with 51 percent saying Biden did better, to 36 percent favoring Palin.
Perhaps most significant, the CNN survey found that 87 percent thought the Delaware senator was qualified to be president, while 42 percent saw Palin that way.
"He didn't ramble and he wasn't patronizing. He stayed on message and linked McCain to President Bush in a very effective way," said Douglas Koopman, a professor of political science at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich.
Particularly impressive, Koopman said, was how Biden dealt with Palin's repeated reference to John McCain as a "maverick."
"I love him," Biden said of McCain, his longtime Senate colleague. "He's been a maverick on some issues, but he has been no maverick on the things that matter to people's lives," such as the economy, health care and education.
Even so, reviews for Palin, whose approval numbers had been tumbling in recent weeks, were generally favorable too.
"Had Palin blown it, it probably would have been the end of McCain's candidacy, but she dug in her heels and enhanced her credibility," said Wayne Lesperance, associate professor of political science at New England College in Henniker, N.H.
But at this stage of the campaign, with Americans weary of war and anxious about the declining economy, the Republican ticket faces a hostile environment since it represents the incumbent party at a time when voters are seeking change. Palin had to do more than merely hold her own to shift the campaign's overall dynamic. But there's no evidence she did that, even if she exceeded expectations for her performance.
Obama led by an average of 5.8 points in national surveys over the past week before the Biden-Palin debate, according to RealClearPolitics.
"Every day that goes by with Barack Obama about 5 to 8 points ahead is not a good day for John McCain," said vice presidential expert Timothy Walch.
"Every day of the next month is important," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.
Nevertheless, Republicans claimed new momentum.
Palin, who has been unavailable to most of the press corps ever since she joined the GOP ticket, will "be available to the press, and she'll talk to every American voter. She'll be out 24/7," vowed McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt.
Some experts agreed that Palin's folksy style could resonate, particularly with women in the Midwest and West, a trend that may not show up right away.
"People listen to what the neighbors say, what their favorite pundit says and sometimes there's a disconnect between that and what the media are saying now," said Wayne Fields, a professor of English and American culture studies at Washington University in St. Louis.
Ultimately, he said, people base their opinions on their intuition, and "they really don't know specifically what they're basing their judgment on."
Yet Palin probably won't have much more opportunity to be widely heard. Public attention tends to focus most on presidential candidates, especially in the final weeks of a campaign, and there are no more vice presidential debates. With a crush of other big news stories - including the House of Representatives' passage of the financial-rescue plan on Friday and the second McCain-Obama debate coming up on Tuesday - the Biden-Palin encounter is likely to fade quickly.
"The vice presidential story is essentially over now," Walch said. "By Monday, we'll be on to another topic."
Biden was in Dover, Del., on Friday, saying goodbye to his son, Beau, who is Delaware's attorney general. Beau Biden's National Guard unit headed to Texas Friday to train for deployment to Iraq. Palin was in Dallas for two private campaign events.
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The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.poll/
The CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4497138.shtml
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look, i dont know who won or lost but for christ sake, she said words with nohting inside them. over and over she said the same redmeat tlaking points
i mean, who cares about gay marriage when you cant pay for ****ing petroleumComment -
Definitly not America that won. If novelty totally unqualified knuckleheads like Palin (and W) keep getting cast into the main seats - we all lose.
It's all a dog and pony show in politics... Last night was the perfect example. Debates require discourse. Biden tried and Palin read her cards and said what she felt like rather than answering questions. Although the format didn't include discourse - it's clear the Republican candidates have no desire to speak with their opponent (or look at them in McCain's case) when it's beyond bullshit pleasantries.
We all lose when one side thinks it's above everyone else - and that's all I'm seeing from the Republican Party.
Crap, my ice cream I was eating went up my nose when Palin spoke about BROADENING the powers of the VP (which is defined in the constitution). I couldn't believe the blatent disregard for the framework of our nation - although, Dick Cheney has been doing it for 8 years.
The neocon has destroyed the constitution and really doesn't give a f about it - that statement really makes me feel good about abadoning the party that abandoned it's core philosophy.Comment -
would you eat her Alaskan pelt? Would ya?Comment -
Kind of reminds me of a certain presidential candidate. Hope and change comes to mindOriginally posted by ryanXL977Comment -
bbd, really. You know better. Wake up.Originally posted by bigboydanThen why did some reports have her winning then?Comment -
Because she kicked his assOriginally posted by Sinister Cat
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Tighten up your game a little bit... Or go to bed, you're getting sloppy.Originally posted by ryanXL977Comment -
Just go to bed. Your game has no hope.Originally posted by pimikeBecause she kicked his assComment -
alaskan pelt.... lol now that's goodOriginally posted by colt29Comment -
seriously though... if I hear maverick or "team of mavericks" anymore i'm gonna shoot whomever is nearest to me and use them for their pelts this winterComment
