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  • Scratch
    SBR Sharp
    • 08-19-07
    • 366

    #1
    Kentucky Derby Article
    last year an article was written by SBR Staff that narrowed the Derby field down to 2 horses based upon history and past trends. One of the horses was Animal Kingdom that went on to win at 20-1 odds I believe.

    Has this article been written for this years Derby?
  • mikemca
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-10-10
    • 10047

    #2
    Think you have something confused , maybe someone picked him but he sure didn't have any history or trends on his side.


    He was the first horse to have never raced on dirt to win the derby.The first since 1956 to win off a 6 week layoff and I know Big Brown won on less but he was the first since 1918 to win in 5th career race.

    The only things he had going for him were that he closed strong in his prep and he was working really well leading up to the derby.
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    • Br0nxer
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-25-11
      • 13665

      #3
      Originally posted by mikemca
      Think you have something confused , maybe someone picked him but he sure didn't have any history or trends on his side.


      He was the first horse to have never raced on dirt to win the derby.The first since 1956 to win off a 6 week layoff and I know Big Brown won on less but he was the first since 1918 to win in 5th career race.

      The only things he had going for him were that he closed strong in his prep and he was working really well leading up to the derby.

      mike who do you like this year
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      • Poppa Catfish
        SBR MVP
        • 09-22-10
        • 3352

        #4
        Originally posted by mikemca
        Think you have something confused , maybe someone picked him but he sure didn't have any history or trends on his side.


        He was the first horse to have never raced on dirt to win the derby.The first since 1956 to win off a 6 week layoff and I know Big Brown won on less but he was the first since 1918 to win in 5th career race.

        The only things he had going for him were that he closed strong in his prep and he was working really well leading up to the derby.
        No he is right, I remember that post as well. I wish I remember who did it, but they laid out the ground work for the selection in great detail.
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        • chico2663
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 09-02-10
          • 36915

          #5
          not true he ran at turfway park
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          • Easy-Rider 66
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 02-14-12
            • 36848

            #6
            Originally posted by chico2663
            not true he ran at turfway park
            I believe Turfway Park is a synthetic track.
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            • Justin_sane
              SBR High Roller
              • 03-07-12
              • 160

              #7
              Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
              I believe Turfway Park is a synthetic track.
              Bingo.
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              • yamark
                SBR Rookie
                • 11-02-11
                • 5

                #8
                Ohhhh do I ever remember that article...it was a fantastic breakdown and analysis. I thought it was so useful that I bookmarked it. Moneyline Express was the author and here is the link:

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                • Louisvillekid1
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-17-07
                  • 52143

                  #9
                  nice article, lets see what his formula produces for this year
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                  • Jayvegas420
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 03-09-11
                    • 28213

                    #10
                    Wasnt Uncle Mo a scratch?
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                    • ttwarrior1
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 06-23-09
                      • 28462

                      #11
                      trend ? /

                      well he was the only horse in the field that ran 1 1/4 mile

                      I also picked him for that reason
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                      • Louisvillekid1
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 10-17-07
                        • 52143

                        #12
                        His formula produces

                        Creative Cause and Dullahan has his 2 top contenders followed by Union Rags and Take Charge Indy...
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                        • GOIRISH
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-25-10
                          • 2072

                          #13
                          Take charge Indy for the win
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                          • yamark
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 11-02-11
                            • 5

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jayvegas420
                            Wasnt Uncle Mo a scratch?
                            Yes. He was scratched the day before the race. I believe this guy wrote this right after they drew the PP's.
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                            • mikemca
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-10-10
                              • 10047

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Br0nxer


                              mike who do you like this year
                              Post positions get drawn today.Don't know yet.


                              Originally posted by chico2663
                              not true he ran at turfway park

                              Stick to sports betting.


                              Originally posted by yamark
                              Ohhhh do I ever remember that article...it was a fantastic breakdown and analysis. I thought it was so useful that I bookmarked it. Moneyline Express was the author and here is the link:

                              http://moneylineexpress.mysbrforum.c...cky-derby.html

                              Not to nitpick as that was a very well thought out post but he would have landed squarely on Pants On Fire because of this "Don't pick a horse with a new jockey" rule.Johnny V picked up the mount after Robby Albarado got hurt .
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                              • DMBcardinal
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 01-20-08
                                • 218

                                #16
                                Wow good article. Looking forward to this years.
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                                • Scratch
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 08-19-07
                                  • 366

                                  #17
                                  Thanks yamark for the link.

                                  I'll be sure to keep it this year.

                                  Thanks LouisvilleKid for the current analysis.
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                                  • LT Profits
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-27-06
                                    • 90963

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                    His formula produces

                                    Creative Cause and Dullahan has his 2 top contenders followed by Union Rags and Take Charge Indy...
                                    Good to hear as my top 2 are Unions Rags and Creative Cause. I am looking at using Gemologist and Bodemeister (I know, chalk) underneath.
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                                    • Louisvillekid1
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 10-17-07
                                      • 52143

                                      #19
                                      Ion with u lt, but threw out gem
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                                      • Br0nxer
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 03-25-11
                                        • 13665

                                        #20
                                        im likin alpha
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                                        • LT Profits
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 10-27-06
                                          • 90963

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                          Ion with u lt, but threw out gem
                                          I know gem's speed figures aren't the best but I like his 2.73 dosage,
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                                          • SBR Chris
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 04-25-12
                                            • 616

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Scratch
                                            last year an article was written by SBR Staff that narrowed the Derby field down to 2 horses based upon history and past trends. One of the horses was Animal Kingdom that went on to win at 20-1 odds I believe.

                                            Has this article been written for this years Derby?
                                            Scratch, there will be an article or two getting thrown up shortly and i¨ve put up props already on Friday¨s race at Churchill Downs, glad you liked last years breakdown. You can place your point bets here. Hopefully this year's article will be just as good. I¨ll keep you all updated with the props as they go up...roll on the Derby.


                                            May 04 - 4:45 PM CHURCHILL DOWNS: 2012 KENTUCKY OAKS: 1 1/8MILES
                                            1 GRACE HALL +250
                                            2 BROADWAYS ALIBI +400
                                            3 ON FIRE BABY +400
                                            4 SUMMER APPLAUSE +1500
                                            5 BELIEVE YOU CAN +1000
                                            6 EDENS MOON +1200
                                            7 JEMIMAS PEARL +1200
                                            8 AMIES DINI +1000
                                            9 AND WHY NOT +1800
                                            10 KARLOVY +2000
                                            11 HARD NOT TO LIKE +2000
                                            12 YARA +3000
                                            13 COLONIAL EMPRESS +5000
                                            14 SACRISTY +5000
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                                            • imack
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 09-08-10
                                              • 61

                                              #23
                                              A buddy of mine called the winner AND The tri last year and my 9-year old wanted to bet some of his piggy bank on it. My wife (admirably) kiboshed his gambling and the little guy is still pissed. Probably best if he loses his first several bets so he isn't here hanging with you degenerates in ten years.
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                                              • BOA12
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 02-19-12
                                                • 20622

                                                #24
                                                with u on alpha
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                                                • SBR Chris
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 04-25-12
                                                  • 616

                                                  #25
                                                  Preview and our odds.
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                                                  • Madison
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-16-11
                                                    • 6465

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mikemca
                                                    Think you have something confused , maybe someone picked him but he sure didn't have any history or trends on his side.


                                                    He was the first horse to have never raced on dirt to win the derby.The first since 1956 to win off a 6 week layoff and I know Big Brown won on less but he was the first since 1918 to win in 5th career race.

                                                    The only things he had going for him were that he closed strong in his prep and he was working really well leading up to the derby.
                                                    Hey Mike,

                                                    Gonna be betting as much of the card as I can watch from the couch. Will you be offering a few opinions on the entire card for us challenged handicappers?
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                                                    • mikemca
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 03-10-10
                                                      • 10047

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Madison
                                                      Hey Mike,

                                                      Gonna be betting as much of the card as I can watch from the couch. Will you be offering a few opinions on the entire card for us challenged handicappers?

                                                      Yeah definitely,Saturday's card is reaaaaallly wide open though which is a good thing but it is going to be hard to nail every race.Hopefully I can hit one or two big ones.
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                                                      • blackbox
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 02-28-08
                                                        • 1415

                                                        #28
                                                        GREAT input in this thread- love to watch these races. However way too horses to follow. My 2 favorite gentlemen whose opinions are respected most highly are both named Mike. Mr. MikeMca the above poster, and Mike Batagglia.;sp wrong please excuse] AND Mike hit the nail on yhe head with a remark about wagering on horses for myself. I stick to sports handicapping and follow the horses. Mike you know Walt Matson? formally from Tahoe. Good day gentlemen and my sincere good luck.
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                                                        • DanL32
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 12-05-10
                                                          • 160

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Br0nxer
                                                          im likin alpha
                                                          same
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                                                          • unluckysob
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 05-21-08
                                                            • 1527

                                                            #30
                                                            AGREE---if a young gambler hits first few bets-----thinks its easy---
                                                            Originally posted by imack
                                                            A buddy of mine called the winner AND The tri last year and my 9-year old wanted to bet some of his piggy bank on it. My wife (admirably) kiboshed his gambling and the little guy is still pissed. Probably best if he loses his first several bets so he isn't here hanging with you degenerates in ten years.
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                                                            • Ketch
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 01-16-11
                                                              • 145

                                                              #31
                                                              Is there a write up for this year?

                                                              Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                                              His formula produces

                                                              Creative Cause and Dullahan has his 2 top contenders followed by Union Rags and Take Charge Indy...
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                                                              • Louisvillekid1
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-17-07
                                                                • 52143

                                                                #32
                                                                No I just ran the numbers
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                                                                • Madison
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 09-16-11
                                                                  • 6465

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by mikemca
                                                                  Yeah definitely,Saturday's card is reaaaaallly wide open though which is a good thing but it is going to be hard to nail every race.Hopefully I can hit one or two big ones.
                                                                  Much appreciated. I'll be looking for your post. Thx!
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                                                                  • stuntin909
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 08-05-10
                                                                    • 933

                                                                    #34
                                                                    thanks for the info guys. very useful
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