Pete Carroll: Top Recruiter, Bad On-Field Coach

fiveteamer · 09-25-08, 09:45 PM

Pete does not set the lines.

It is pretty hard to be critical of him.

Conference games are always tough.

ritehook · 09-25-08, 09:49 PM

Every coach and college player knows what the line is.

purecarnagge · 09-25-08, 10:11 PM

dude... please... Pete is a great college coach.

big joe 1212 · 09-25-08, 10:21 PM

Pete is top 5 in CFB all time !!!

Panic · 09-25-08, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

Pete is top 5 in CFB all time !!!

Sure it had nothing to do with talent and being in Cali with all the recruits.

big joe 1212 · 09-25-08, 10:29 PM

So why werent the coaches before him as successful?

big joe 1212 · 09-25-08, 10:29 PM

And Texas and Florida have more football talent!

rjt721 · 09-25-08, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

dude... please... Pete is a great college coach.

He's a great college coach because he's an exceptional recruiter. What he isn't is a great in-game coach, something that's been proven time and time again in close games. Just ask the New England Patriots and New York Jets about Carroll's abilities as an in-game coach. It's easy to look good when you have the most talent.

rjt721 · 09-25-08, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

So why werent the coaches before him as successful?

They didn't recruit like Pete. No one's denying he's a fantastic recruiter, the single most important aspect to being successful at the college level.

Panic · 09-25-08, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

So why werent the coaches before him as successful?

When? I guess you want to talk recently. Do you know how many titles USC has? So I guess Pete Carroll is not the be all to end all....unless you're going to play the recent card.

Panic · 09-25-08, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by rjt721

They didn't recruit like Pete. No one's denying he's a fantastic recruiter, the single most important aspect to being successful at the college level.

Thats actually a good point, rjt. Pete is a good recruiter, much like Mack brown, but they cant coach...If it wasnt for Vince Young, Mack Brown would still be waiting for a National title.

big joe 1212 · 09-25-08, 10:36 PM

Recruiting is part of CFB, I'm not talking NFL, although the Jets went to Rich Kotite after Pete. That worked out well!

Panic · 09-25-08, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

Recruiting is part of CFB, I'm not talking NFL, although the Jets went to Rich Kotite after Pete. That worked out well!

Once again. Recruiting is a part of college...doesnt mean you are a great coach.

rjt721 · 09-25-08, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

Recruiting is part of CFB, I'm not talking NFL, although the Jets went to Rich Kotite after Pete. That worked out well!

Absolutely. Recruiting is the most vital aspect in the college game, and that's where Carroll excels. But the point of the thread, at least the way I understood it, is whether he's a great in-game coach, in which case the answer is "No". He's been thoroughly outcoached tonight by Mike Riley. Most of these things are overlooked because few teams can compete with SC from a talent standpoint, but Pete as solely an in-game coach leaves much to be desired.

big joe 1212 · 09-25-08, 10:44 PM

I guess you are right ! I dont know what I'm talking about ! He should just become GM of USC !

Panic · 09-25-08, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

I guess you are right ! I dont know what I'm talking about ! He should just become GM of USC !

Why not? California loves him. He is not the coach that can walk on water. Many better coaches in college.

rjt721 · 09-25-08, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Panic

Thats actually a good point, rjt. Pete is a good recruiter, much like Mack brown, but they cant coach...If it wasnt for Vince Young, Mack Brown would still be waiting for a National title.

You sound surprised. Believe it or not, I've made a couple good points, although they're few and far between.

I agree on Mack Brown.

BTW, I'm on Oregon State + tonight. Told you I'd be up to 7 bucks in no time!

ritehook · 09-26-08, 12:39 AM

As a recruiter (where it all begins) Pete has no equal.

He tells his coaches that if a preppie talks about starting, pass on him, no matter how good.

(And btw, if I knew a HS kid who was very good and wanted to eventually make the NFL, I would never send him to USC.
Go to a school where you are sure to start - the NFL will find you!)

He does poorly in preparing his teams for the season. Last year he had the best team in the land - they came out strong, then started to coast, thinking all they had to do was to show up.

Struggled in a 3 pt win against Washngton, then lost at home to Stanford, who was starting a new QB.

It's a deadly overconfidence and cockiness that Carroll has not yet figured out. And probably never will.

There are three coaches in the Pac 10 who would hve won the Nat'l Championship last year with his players. Prob this year too.

ritehook · 09-26-08, 12:41 AM

Riley, who beat him tonight.
Belotti, who USC plays next. Ducks are wounded tho.
Erickson, Az St

Maybe the guy from Cal

VegasDave · 09-26-08, 01:16 AM

This is very annoying/stupid.

Every year almost every team in the country is upset in games they shouldn't lose. It happens. It doesn't mean the coach is bad.

Panic · 09-26-08, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

This is very annoying/stupid.

Every year almost every team in the country is upset in games they shouldn't lose. It happens. It doesn't mean the coach is bad.

lol. sure, USC. Keep making videos.

VegasDave · 09-26-08, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Panic

lol. sure, USC. Keep making videos.

The guy has flat out dominated the Pac 10 for the better part of a decade and comes out of every single season with only 1 or 2 losses.

It is petty and stupid to say this guy is not a good coach.

I'm not saying he is BEST EVER, but "bad"? Thats stupid.

Panic · 09-26-08, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

The guy has flat out dominated the Pac 10 for the better part of a decade and comes out of every single season with only 1 or 2 losses.

It is petty and stupid to say this guy is not a good coach.

I'm not saying he is BEST EVER, but "bad"? Thats stupid.

lol. USC, stop. You are actually bringing up the Pac 10 as a selling point?

C'mon.

VegasDave · 09-26-08, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Panic

lol. USC, stop. You are actually bringing up the Pac 10 as a selling point?

C'mon.

Hey, before this year it was worth something

Panic · 09-26-08, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

Hey, before this year it was worth something

If you say so.

$$POOLCRAZY$$$$ · 09-26-08, 02:39 AM

GEORGIA VS. FLORIDA=NATIONAL CHAMP!!

daggerkobe · 09-26-08, 03:15 AM

For Petes sake.......

Wasn't his fault. It was the putrid play calling on offense in the first half and final 4 of 5 drives that was the difference. And he leaves that to Sarkisian his assistant.

Pete is a defensive guru and made the usual defensive adjustments at HT to completely shut down the Beavers offense in the 2nd half.

jjgold · 09-26-08, 04:30 AM

Oregon St played great, who knows who to blame