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  • superjeff24
    SBR MVP
    • 03-17-10
    • 1078

    #1
    Beating Live Online Blackjack?
    Maybe counting bonuses or something? What rules differ between Casino blackjack and online? I assume if you play too solid against them, they'll simply disallow you from playing.

    Also, what about regular blackjack when taking the bonuses into consideration? Beatable? Or does the house truly always win?
  • byronbb
    SBR MVP
    • 11-13-08
    • 3067

    #2
    There was a sbr review about sportsbook confiscating a players funds for counting card on live casino.
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    • superjeff24
      SBR MVP
      • 03-17-10
      • 1078

      #3
      yes, I read that. to be fair, the book is like D-. Paid the player and then included a clause so no future players can do this.

      So I guess if people are getting caught doing it, they must be profiting (until caught I assume)
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      • govolz
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 03-26-12
        • 952

        #4
        Man why would u want to play if there is a risk of cheating just play at a casino
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        • superjeff24
          SBR MVP
          • 03-17-10
          • 1078

          #5
          because Casinos have many more distractions (people talking around you/to you, noises, etc)
          whereas if it's possible to do in my underwear I can "learn" first before plying it otherwhere
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          • Avskum
            SBR High Roller
            • 03-14-12
            • 101

            #6
            deleted. double post.
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            • Avskum
              SBR High Roller
              • 03-14-12
              • 101

              #7
              Originally posted by byronbb
              There was a sbr review about sportsbook confiscating a players funds for counting card on live casino.
              can you please link me this ? <br>
              Also anyone know any live deals who shuffle after 75% of the shoe?<br>
              someone knows what casino this is ? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfkpj4ksLbM&amp;feature=player_e mbedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfkpj4ksLbM&amp;feature=player_e mbedded</a>
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              • RunningMan7
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-03-12
                • 137

                #8
                Does anyone here play online blackjack as a team so a couple of people can be in charge of counting and passing on the number to the main player? Or is it useless since online casinos may reshuffle randomly, not to mention rigged in some cases?
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                • RunningMan7
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 01-03-12
                  • 137

                  #9
                  Disregard my prior reply. I didn't realize they reshuffled every single time.

                  As far as the rigged thing, i believe it. But not because of the cold streak thing, but the predictability of when they turn it on. In a live casino, I have had streaks where the dealer killed me and the table almost every hand before the reshuffle.

                  On sportsbook.com, I won a 1000 bucks plus on BJ betting usually 2 bucks a time, and going as high as 25 or 50. I thought, "woah this is easy". One late night, I was bored and broke my rule of going on extended Blackjack benders. Damn, the casino ****** me good with an incredibly long cold streak. I didnt even resort to a pure Martingdale system. I stayed firm to the min bet for 10 hands in a row and still lost every single one. Then I doubled it (but stayed at that first doubled amount) for another 10 hands and lost almost every single one of them with incredible dealer cards. And I can't remember clearly as it was late at night(the casino's favorite time for you to play even when they are not rigged) , but I must have gone stupid Martingdale at some point after the 20 hands. Went to zero real fast. Never bothered to redeposit on sportsbook.com after that. And stayed away from online gambling of any kind for two years because it just left a real bad taste in my mouth.

                  So I have been on bovada for a year and I have read here all the horror stories about any online blackjack and bvovada being as bad as any of the others. So out of curiosity, i have been betting small again and cashing out my winnings from the casino to the regular sportsbook on the site after each session. I won a 100 bucks in a couple of days the slow easy way. THen I decided to try a practice session and was betting bigger with the knowledge that I won't lose anything. Then I click on the play for real, but stayed away from betting big. Even with that conservative tiny $1 a hand betting with occasional 2 and $3 bets, I lost my 30 bucks real fast. I closed out and went to practice and won again real big but this time betting the same way I would with real money After winning a bunch of hands, I turned up the bets and nothing got affected, I was still winning . THen I went to real again. Won 20 bucks the slow way, then noticed the casino hands being incredibly lucky again for the dealer as I increased the hand, got the message and cashed out by transferring everything back to the general account balance again. Did another round of back to back practice and real. Same ******* disparity. The disparity between back to back six practice sessions and real sessions was just too much to ignore. My advice to people who know it is rigged, but have that addictive personality to ignore the common sense in your head is to just alternate the practice session with the real session. Each time I do that, it is like a slap in the face and someone then threw mud at your face to add insult to injury.

                  Online Blackjack is admittedly damn addictive. The convenience of it is so good that late night impulsive playing can lead to pretty good profits for the company even if they do not rig it.
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388208

                    #10
                    I always sneak in hands playing blackjack
                    highly addictive
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                    • Bovada Service
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 12-14-11
                      • 81

                      #11
                      Hey guys,

                      We just wanted to assure you that we use the same Random Number Generator for both the Real Play and Practice Play. Our RNG has been certified by Gaming Associates, an internationally accredited testing facility. You can see the certification here:



                      If you'd like to talk about your sessions in more detail with us, please send a quick PM with your Bovada account number or email address.

                      Regards,

                      Bovada Service
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                      • RunningMan7
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 01-03-12
                        • 137

                        #12
                        B.S., I tried it again for 20 bucks worth after reading your reply just for the hell of it. Thank me for my 20 bucks as I kind of knew what would happen. ever since I became a marked guy , my cards are just a lot worse every single time. It's not even close to what i got early on. If it is random, I would be losing, then winning, then maybe a long losing combined with some winning. What I am getting is so totally akin to what I got on sportsbook, it's not funny. My experiment is over. I am just wiser as I am only playing with the money I earned from you guys when you tried to entice me to play more blackjack with some generous cards in my favor. I refuse to play any of my money as I lost only money I earned in blackjack. so bovada, we are even.
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                        • stuntin909
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 08-05-10
                          • 933

                          #13
                          i won $450 in 5dimes first day i joined. seemed like i couldn't lose. then tables turned ever since and i ALWAYS lose my big hands so i blocked casino from there.
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                          • allin1
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-07-11
                            • 4555

                            #14
                            Maybe the practice version is rigged and not the real money one

                            Originally posted by RunningMan7
                            Disregard my prior reply. I didn't realize they reshuffled every single time.

                            As far as the rigged thing, i believe it. But not because of the cold streak thing, but the predictability of when they turn it on. In a live casino, I have had streaks where the dealer killed me and the table almost every hand before the reshuffle.

                            On sportsbook.com, I won a 1000 bucks plus on BJ betting usually 2 bucks a time, and going as high as 25 or 50. I thought, "woah this is easy". One late night, I was bored and broke my rule of going on extended Blackjack benders. Damn, the casino ****** me good with an incredibly long cold streak. I didnt even resort to a pure Martingdale system. I stayed firm to the min bet for 10 hands in a row and still lost every single one. Then I doubled it (but stayed at that first doubled amount) for another 10 hands and lost almost every single one of them with incredible dealer cards. And I can't remember clearly as it was late at night(the casino's favorite time for you to play even when they are not rigged) , but I must have gone stupid Martingdale at some point after the 20 hands. Went to zero real fast. Never bothered to redeposit on sportsbook.com after that. And stayed away from online gambling of any kind for two years because it just left a real bad taste in my mouth.

                            So I have been on bovada for a year and I have read here all the horror stories about any online blackjack and bvovada being as bad as any of the others. So out of curiosity, i have been betting small again and cashing out my winnings from the casino to the regular sportsbook on the site after each session. I won a 100 bucks in a couple of days the slow easy way. THen I decided to try a practice session and was betting bigger with the knowledge that I won't lose anything. Then I click on the play for real, but stayed away from betting big. Even with that conservative tiny $1 a hand betting with occasional 2 and $3 bets, I lost my 30 bucks real fast. I closed out and went to practice and won again real big but this time betting the same way I would with real money After winning a bunch of hands, I turned up the bets and nothing got affected, I was still winning . THen I went to real again. Won 20 bucks the slow way, then noticed the casino hands being incredibly lucky again for the dealer as I increased the hand, got the message and cashed out by transferring everything back to the general account balance again. Did another round of back to back practice and real. Same ******* disparity. The disparity between back to back six practice sessions and real sessions was just too much to ignore. My advice to people who know it is rigged, but have that addictive personality to ignore the common sense in your head is to just alternate the practice session with the real session. Each time I do that, it is like a slap in the face and someone then threw mud at your face to add insult to injury.

                            Online Blackjack is admittedly damn addictive. The convenience of it is so good that late night impulsive playing can lead to pretty good profits for the company even if they do not rig it.
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                            • RunningMan7
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 01-03-12
                              • 137

                              #15
                              Hell, not only is the practice probably rigged, maybe even the first few winnings I got from the casino were rigged.
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                              • Kindred
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-09-08
                                • 2903

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Bovada Service
                                Hey guys,

                                We just wanted to assure you that we use the same Random Number Generator for both the Real Play and Practice Play. Our RNG has been certified by Gaming Associates, an internationally accredited testing facility. You can see the certification here:



                                If you'd like to talk about your sessions in more detail with us, please send a quick PM with your Bovada account number or email address.

                                Regards,

                                Bovada Service
                                Bovada also has some great bonuses if you like blackjack..
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                                • itriedsohard
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 12-17-10
                                  • 742

                                  #17
                                  The 5dimes live dealer casino is an 8-deck game. Big house edge, but you can make money. Counting won't be profitable as the shoes are only 50% penetration.

                                  I enjoy it. Don't chase, don't bet big.
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                                  • dj_destroyer
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 07-28-10
                                    • 3856

                                    #18
                                    Is there a link to perfect counting strategy?

                                    Like a list of clauses such as "if you're showing XX, dealer is showing Y, and count is +/- Z, you should hit/stand/double/split/surrender"
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                                    • itriedsohard
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 12-17-10
                                      • 742

                                      #19
                                      Aka indices
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                                      • Avskum
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 03-14-12
                                        • 101

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by dj_destroyer
                                        Is there a link to perfect counting strategy?

                                        Like a list of clauses such as "if you're showing XX, dealer is showing Y, and count is +/- Z, you should hit/stand/double/split/surrender"
                                        http://www.bewersdorff-online.de/black-jack/ is that what your looking for? This dosnt rly help you, in live casinos they shuffle to early. usually get about 100.05% advantage but thats like very seccond shoe. I need a live casino who shuffles after 75% of the deck! Anyone plz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfkpj4ksLbM&feature=player_embed ded what casino is this ?!
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                                        • jjgold
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 07-20-05
                                          • 388208

                                          #21
                                          You need to go in and out
                                          ride streaks
                                          stop when cold
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                                          • itriedsohard
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-17-10
                                            • 742

                                            #22
                                            I don't think it's ppossible to have an eedge over the house. If a casino had 75% penetration , it wouldn't last for long. Advantage players are great at finding casino flaws. I'm ytalking live online oof course as almost every single casino has at least one exploitable bj game.
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                                            • Avskum
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 03-14-12
                                              • 101

                                              #23
                                              as you can se in the video there is casinos who do this, guess i have to email the one who uploaded that youtube video
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                                              • itriedsohard
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 12-17-10
                                                • 742

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Avskum
                                                as you can se in the video there is casinos who do this, guess i have to email the one who uploaded that youtube video

                                                i forget im in the us. i think maybe only 2 us books have live bj
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                                                • Br0nxer
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 03-25-11
                                                  • 13665

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Bovada Service
                                                  Hey guys,

                                                  We just wanted to assure you that we use the same Random Number Generator for both the Real Play and Practice Play. Our RNG has been certified by Gaming Associates, an internationally accredited testing facility. You can see the certification here:



                                                  If you'd like to talk about your sessions in more detail with us, please send a quick PM with your Bovada account number or email address.

                                                  Regards,

                                                  Bovada Service
                                                  go fukk yourself pal

                                                  take your sh1t book and shove it up your fukkin ass
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                                                  • Avskum
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 03-14-12
                                                    • 101

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Avskum
                                                    as you can se in the video there is casinos who do this, guess i have to email the one who uploaded that youtube video
                                                    3 Months and still no answer
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                                                    • DeeVeeOSs
                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                      • 07-03-10
                                                      • 71

                                                      #27
                                                      For the record, I've had the same experience betting online BJ.
                                                      -
                                                      I'm thoroughly convinced that the next card to be played depends on if you choose to hit or stay.
                                                      I'm further convinced, after being dealt 14 and 15 hand time after time....that it will screw you at any time.

                                                      It was an unrealistic burst of COLD.

                                                      Oh yeah, one more thing.

                                                      On the 4 times I've tried BJ on line, I've come out WAY ahead each time...ON MY FIRST VISIT.

                                                      After that, get the KY ready.
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                                                      • BigDeem5
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 02-26-11
                                                        • 17191

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Br0nxer
                                                        go fukk yourself pal

                                                        take your sh1t book and shove it up your fukkin ass
                                                        Typical bronxer
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                                                        • orisbumplut
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 01-22-13
                                                          • 210

                                                          #29
                                                          Beware of those Beeyictches. They smile and have great boob jobs but they are accomplices in a rigged game designed to part you from your money. Once they decide to adjust the software, you will lose 11 out of 12 hands and you'll be out of money in minutes.
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                                                          • jayc88
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 12-30-07
                                                            • 6785

                                                            #30
                                                            You guys are complete morons
                                                            Play a - ev game ; obv lose and then call it rigged
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