Russell worse than Tarvaris

[Helmut]

At least TJ tucks the ball and runs it for the occasional first down.

Russell worthless in all areas.

[ryanXL977]

yup

[jjgold]

Both are real bad

you cannot win with black qb's,McNaab of course is an exception and a hall of famer

[VegasDave]

What the hell were you guys watching????

He was very accurate, strong throws... the Raiders secondary and some key dropped passes lost them this game, Russell had a good game, especially for a rookie.

And you are a damn racist JJ.

[darrell74]

T.J. will get better, and have better stats, and might be able to run a 2minute drill, sucessfully, once or twice.
Russel will suck. Raiders will suck. I'd like to see the Raiders get good defense, and totally, f--k off the offense. Get some pride, back.
After tonight, I can see why the Falcons let go of Deangelo Hall. You'd think they were prophets, with Hall havig a great career with the A-T-L.

[darrell74]

Both are real bad

you cannot win with black qb's,McNaab of course is an exception and a hall of famer

In reference to what usckingsfan calling JJ a racist. I don't know if JJ is racist, maybe he is, I don't care.
Dead on wth "black qb"s."
Us gamblers call that trends, not racism. Learn how to pay attention to that kind of shit, especially, with your college betting, it might help.
Last caucasian running back to go for a 1000 yards, and win a bowl. ??????????? Couldn't think of one, right away.
2 bowls, ago, black head coaches, white qb's.

[daggerkobe]

Raiders have not drafted a franchise QB since 1968.

Russell will be another bust along with the likes of Marc Wilson, Rusty Hilger, Todd Marinovich, Andrew Walters, etc.

[VegasDave]

Judging a person's ability by the color of their skin and nothing more is pretty much textbook racism.

Hundreds and hundreds of quarterbacks come into this league and fail. When they do, they are just called busts. But when black quarterbacks come into the league and struggle/fail, it is because they are black. It is ridiculous.

[Seattle Slew]

Never liked Russell even in college. Never could understand why he was a No. 1 overall pick. He's not accurate at all.

As for the Raiders, what happened to their so-called good defense. Worst move Kiffen made was keeping Ryan as defensive coach.

[darrell74]

Judging a person's ability by the color of their skin and nothing more is pretty much textbook racism.

Hundreds and hundreds of quarterbacks come into this league and fail. When they do, they are just called busts. But when black quarterbacks come into the league and struggle/fail, it is because they are black. It is ridiculous.

Thats the way of the world. Blah blah blah.
Now make some $, and use it to your advantage, if you can.
Don't tell me your gonna bet on the Jamcain bobsled team, because you're not racist.

[darrell74]

Never liked Russell even in college. Never could understand why he was a No. 1 overall pick. He's not accurate at all.

As for the Raiders, what happened to their so-called good defense. Worst move Kiffen made was keeping Ryan as defensive coach.

[VegasDave]

If a white rookie QB went 17/26 (65.4%), 180 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, I'm fairly sure there wouldn't be too many threads on how much he sucks.

[I.R.B]

Thats the way of the world. Blah blah blah.
Now make some $, and use it to your advantage, if you can.
Don't tell me your gonna bet on the Jamcain bobsled team, because you're not racist.

Hahaha... So what do you do when it comes time to bet on Basketball?

[Cloak & Dagger]

Raiders have not drafted a franchise QB since 1968.

Russell will be another bust along with the likes of Marc Wilson, Rusty Hilger, Todd Marinovich, Andrew Walters, etc.

you had a vikings helmet in your avatar until they lost then you switched it to a denver helmet when they won

bandwagon kids.....

[darrell74]

If a white rookie QB went 17/26 (65.4%), 180 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, I'm fairly sure there wouldn't be too many threads on how much he sucks.

Dude, way off. We ripped on those used condoms when they come out of college and start throwing. Matt Leinert sucks. A used condom out of USC. Carson Palmer is another used condom, we can rip on.
Jamarcus gets all of that in garbage time in the fourth quarter. Matt Shaubb, Jon Kitna had good numbers, but played like crap. Shaubb got his in the fourth, Kitna had a little resurgence, but still crap.
Crap is crap. Stop being a little p--sy about the racist rhetoric, crap is crap. They haven't shown us shit.
Tavaris needs replacement. Minny fans miss Brad Johnson
Russel needs to get his shit in the endzone, stop ****ing off in the red zone, or any of his drives.

[darrell74]

Hahaha... So what do you do when it comes time to bet on Basketball?

I didn't bet the Chinese to win the gold- other side.

[daggerkobe]

If a white rookie QB went 17/26 (65.4%), 180 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, I'm fairly sure there wouldn't be too many threads on how much he sucks.

mostly in garbage time.

When he had a chance to keep them in the game he was busy fumbling in the red zone. Which is pretty much what I predicted prior to the season. He's a fumbling machine.

[fiveteamer]

Didn't watch the Raiders game, but Jackson cost the Vikings less than Russell did the Raiders.

Vikings were the better team. GB got lucky.

[daggerkobe]

you had a vikings helmet in your avatar until they lost then you switched it to a denver helmet when they won

bandwagon kids.....

If u spent as much time on capping as u do on stalking me maybe u might win a game.

I was supporting my picks dummy. I went 8-5 in past 2 days while u went 0-fer again.

[jjgold]

I would love to know the spread record of black starting qbs over the last 10 years?

[bettilimbroke999]

Dude, way off. We ripped on those used condoms when they come out of college and start throwing. Matt Leinert sucks. A used condom out of USC. Carson Palmer is another used condom, we can rip on.
Jamarcus gets all of that in garbage time in the fourth quarter. Matt Shaubb, Jon Kitna had good numbers, but played like crap. Shaubb got his in the fourth, Kitna had a little resurgence, but still crap.
Crap is crap. Stop being a little p--sy about the racist rhetoric, crap is crap. They haven't shown us shit.
Tavaris needs replacement. Minny fans miss Brad Johnson
Russel needs to get his shit in the endzone, stop ****ing off in the red zone, or any of his drives.

Kitna is crap? Kitna is only thing keeping Lions from losing every game they play, everytime they win a game they ought to give Kitna a million dollar bonus, b/c he did it ALL

[fiveteamer]

I would love to know the spread record of black starting qbs over the last 10 years?

jj, are you beantownjim?

[JRS21386]

Kitna is crap? Kitna is only thing keeping Lions from losing every game they play, everytime they win a game they ought to give Kitna a million dollar bonus, b/c he did it ALL

This is a true statement

[VegasDave]

Didn't watch the Raiders game, but Jackson cost the Vikings less than Russell did the Raiders.

Vikings were the better team. GB got lucky.

So you think that Jackson had the better team and still managed to lose, and Russell had a swiss cheese secondary that was cut to shreds but EDDIE ROYAL, and you think Jackson cost the Vikings the game less?

mostly in garbage time.

When he had a chance to keep them in the game he was busy fumbling in the red zone. Which is pretty much what I predicted prior to the season. He's a fumbling machine.

He did have the one drive-killing fumble in the red zone (which was right after the non-holding-call on Zach Miller which was complete bullshit)... but the second fumble was 100% not his fault. He was sneaking for the 1st down, got it, but was standing straight up in the pile trying to fall forward but there was absolutely nowhere to go. He was completely vulnerable and got stripped... you can complain he should have protected the ball better and I'm sure he'll learn to do that, he's a rookie for fvck's sake.

Whatever, I'm wasting my time, I know most of you guys are set in your beliefs no matter what. It just really gets on my nerves

[jjgold]

I would say Russel is worse but both need to be released. I feel sorry for Minny and Oak with these guys as QB's.

[daggerkobe]

If Russell is a rookie how did he play in 5 games last season, starting 2?

The fact is he has more real game experience than even Rodgers!!!!!! Yet he keeps making stupid mistakes to kill his teams chances.

Fumbling problems don't just go away after a few years..... just ask Culpepper.

[VegasDave]

How do you guys feel about healthy McNabb, just curious?