Come on SBR, Justin?

BigDaddy · 09-05-08, 05:54 PM

http://forum.sbrforum.com/private-zone/98141-pags-plays-9-6-diverted.html

MonkeyF0cker · 09-05-08, 05:54 PM

Why does it matter?

Willie Bee · 09-05-08, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Why does it matter?

Not sure why the original thread subject matters, but congrats Monkey...yours was the 1,000,000th post here at SBR

MonkeyF0cker · 09-05-08, 05:57 PM

Haha. Nice. Wish it would have been a bit more substantive...

BigDaddy · 09-05-08, 05:59 PM

why does it matter?

are you a mod because i hope you actually get paid to be here because if you dont understand why it matters good luck in the gambling world

do i really have to explain why it matters?

holy shit i actually thought this was the sharper forum

WTF was i thinking?

BigDaddy · 09-05-08, 06:03 PM

i think i will call all my books up and ask them to regrade all my -104 -105 etc losing wagers at +100

i should get a nice hefty refund

LMFAO!

MonkeyF0cker · 09-05-08, 06:05 PM

What I mean is: Why do you care? Pags has a reason for why HIS plays are graded at +100, since he has people who pay his juice. Thus, he grades HIS plays in accordance with HIS bankroll effect. Feel free to grade HIS plays at -110 for YOUR accounting purposes...

durito · 09-05-08, 06:08 PM

i grade all my plays at +250

Willie Bee · 09-05-08, 06:17 PM

Good plan durito. Mind if I follow your lead?

Justin7 · 09-05-08, 06:35 PM

It does pose a legitimate handicapping topic though... grading at +100 (non widely available) versus the retail of -110.

It wasn't me, but I'm getting tired of bickering. I'm working on a macro right now that will move EVERY post from general to private.

BigDaddy · 09-05-08, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

It does pose a legitimate handicapping topic though... grading at +100 (non widely available) versus the retail of -110.

It wasn't me, but I'm getting tired of bickering. I'm working on a macro right now that will move EVERY post from general to private.

why move a topic that should be addressed into the private zone?

makes the place look bad IMHO

MonkeyF0cker · 09-05-08, 06:49 PM

Because it has been addressed. Over and over and over again...

LVHerbie · 09-05-08, 08:25 PM

I'm pretty sure that pags is allowed to grade his plays in his thread at -100, and, if durito wants, he can start a thread and grade his own plays at +250 as well.. hell, I'm sure SBR will be more then happy to let you start your own thread where you can grade pags' and durito's play at -110, -69, or -666 or any other number you feel is fair... Obviously, SBR has other priorities, such as software, contests, and, with the return of Coach, trying to police up posts about what he would like to do to other posters, who are little too criticial of his man wig, with his little stub of a penis...

donjuan · 09-05-08, 08:41 PM

It does pose a legitimate handicapping topic though... grading at +100 (non widely available) versus the retail of -110.

The problem is that +100 on those lines simply doesn't exist. And it also calls into question the point of posting plays. If the point is to help others and he moves lines, then there is no real value to posting the number he got without saying at what point the play has no more value. If the point is to keep track, Excel is a great tool. And if the point is to gain the adulation of a bunch of anonymous internet posters, then at the very least he should grade the plays on lines that actually exist or existed.

MonkeyF0cker · 09-05-08, 08:50 PM

He does tell people, if they ask, to which point there is value...

fiveteamer · 09-05-08, 09:32 PM

let pags grade his own wagers at +155

nobody gives a ****. The average guy who pays attention to his picks are lurkers or guys with like 50 posts. Who cares.

daggerkobe · 09-05-08, 09:38 PM

My local gives me free +3 on football so keep that in mind when I post my plays this season.

MrX · 09-05-08, 11:01 PM

It would be a daunting task to verify the legitimacy of every line that is posted in a thread here. The only way to fairly evaluate picks would be an application that only tracked bets at an available number from a selection of books. Trying to manually police the posted "best bet" type threads would be an exercise in futility.

If we're talking about bragging rights, who really cares?

If we're talking about using a poster as a free tout, well, that's going to be an inexact science and everyone is going to have to use their own best judgment. I'd be very cautious tailing anyone's picks. It would be very easy to make oneself look good on a forum, and even without such nefarious practices as posting stale lines, some posters are going to appear impressive just by chance.

In my opinion, anyone wishing to follow a fellow poster's picks should focus more on the poster's methodologies than their posted record. Even if records were verified to be legit, it would take a long time to gather a statistically significant sample.

In the case of pags, he claims to put in a lot (a crazy amount, IMO) of manual work (watching tape, etc.). If it's your belief that that's enough to be successful, and you don't want to do it yourself, then maybe you should use his plays. If I were on the fence, I would PM him and see if he would share any more information about his research methods. However you feel about pags, you can't say that he's not generous with his time and information. I'm sure he'd answer any politely asked questions.

Personally, the only time I was tempted to use a poster's picks was back when Ganchrow and HG were posting their analysis of MLB matchups. It had nothing to do with any posted record (I believe there was none) and everything to do with what I knew of their methods and intellegence. Even in that case I didn't feel there was anywhere near enough information for me to risk any significant amount of money.

To sum up, expecting SBR to enforce some sort of standards on grading one's own plays is impracticable and also unnecessary. Those following someone's plays based only on a posted record will probably get what they deserve.

AgainstAllOdds · 09-06-08, 12:11 AM

I dont think its SBR's job to "make" posters give out the correct line, but I will say that it pretty shitty to give out a diffrent line than what hes actually getting it at. I think DonJuans post hits this idea "right on the head".

LT Profits · 09-06-08, 06:55 AM

This thread is precisely the reason I usually post the books I get the lines at with ny picks. Ths way, anyone can verify my lines at sbrlines using my timestamp.