Newbie question about sharp money

[Englander]

I assume Cris is where the line starts
Am I right to assume that by now all the line moves have been made and any more line moves are just square players?
When is the best time to jump on board if I am following the sharp money in NCAA/NFL

DFor example 352 Oklahoma State -12.5 to -15.5 when was the move on this game and how can you tell what is smart money and what is square

thank you in advancw

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah opening steam is generally considered sharp money.

[SlickFazzer]

Your average Joe Six pack is not sitting by the screen looking to pound the opening number. He waits til game day.

[MonkeyF0cker]

For line movement history, check out http://www.sbrodds.com

[LT Profits]

While it is true that early money is almost always smart money, that does not mean that sharps ONLY play early. The fact is that they could pounce ANY time they see what they think is an off number.

[jjgold]

Could be a few big books like Greek, Cris, Catalina, Grande

[RickySteve]

Early steam can be head fakes.

[Justin7]

Squares don't usually bet openers. It's the smaller sharps waiting for them to come up, and immediately pounding them.

[Art Vandeleigh]

Early steam can be head fakes.

Wow and here I was thinking only the slimy world of horse racing engaged in this practice.

[LT Profits]

Early steam can be head fakes.

Yes, excellent point.

[reno cool]

Wow. with all this stuff its hard to believe the books can make anything off of their sometimes pretty meager vig. This seems to add credence to the idea that books set lines to attract action on particular sides.

[dcbt]

Early steam can be head fakes.

ANY steam move can be a head fake really...
Following steam is not nearly as easy as it would seem to be...

[SlappyWhite]

Don't sharps usually wait till just before a game for a dog.

[MonkeyF0cker]

It depends. Not all favorites get bet up, and it's rarely linear. Sharps bet whenever there is value, to put it simply...

[pavyracer]

Look for my bets. That's were sharp money originates.

[TheLock]

While it is true that early money is almost always smart money, that does not mean that sharps ONLY play early. The fact is that they could pounce ANY time they see what they think is an off number.

Exactly. Sometimes a sharp will see the $$$ going all one way late and then BOOM, go the other way.

[Peep]

Wow. with all this stuff its hard to believe the books can make anything off of their sometimes pretty meager vig. This seems to add credence to the idea that books set lines to attract action on particular sides.

I do think that is what they do.

I think most of them nowdays are gamblers rather than bookmakers, doing that in an attempt to maximize profit (which is why some of them go broke, the same as some gamblers go broke).

Pinnacle is run by very good gamblers......

[Dark Horse]

If you want predictable line movements in an area where sharps are far more careful to pull the trigger early on, look no further than NFL totals. Added advantage is that a truckload of football bettors is too busy with college football on Saturday to take a detailed look at NFL totals (sides get priority) until Sunday morning.

Just this morning we've seen the Indy line move from 44 to 43, and the Dolphins line from 36 to 37... The wind died down in Miami, and the injuries in the Colts O-line were known for days, but only this morning started to reflect in the total. These aren't squares changing the line, because they would bet any Indy total up. Still, it will be interesting to see what happens to the Colts line after the afternoon games.

[pats3peat]

Does anyone follow the opposite of what side pinnacle wants to draw action on? I guess it would usually just be going against the public

[Peep]

Does anyone follow the opposite of what side pinnacle wants to draw action on? I guess it would usually just be going against the public

I follow it. Their lines are not quite as simple as "going against the public", and not a road to riches either.

I just use it as an additional handicapping factor.