In defense of LT and Service Plays

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  • InTheHole
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-28-08
    • 15243

    #1
    In defense of LT and Service Plays
    I have never purchased a pick however it sounds like many of you have been burned by those who offer "pay for pick" type services. Yet, I would like to differentiate between someone who keeps and honest record and does so well on a consistent basis (I am not suggesting that LT falls in this catagory) that their service (ability to call the right play---how they get there I don't care) is marketable. A tout is someone who is unrelenting with emails and phone calls and at times offers both sides of a game (A scammer. LT (at least on SBR) and perhaps a handful of cappers do not fall into this catagory. The fact of the matter is someone who releases 25-30 picks or more a week and wins consistently is doing something right and my assumption is that in doing so they are taking away time from their friends and family (essentially doing a job) and I have no problem with someone seeking compensation for that service if they do it in a responsible and ethical manner.

    Grabbed from WIKI

    In British English, a tout is any person who solicits business or employment in an importune manner (generally equivalent to a solicitor in American English).

    A ticket tout is someone who engages in ticket resale for more than the face value of the ticket (though a ticket reseller is known colloquially as a scalper rather than a solicitor in North American parlance). In recent years some British ticket touts have moved into Internet ticket fraud.[1]

    According to the American Bar Association, touting is where a person advertises, promotes, or otherwise describes a security for sale without disclosing that the person is being paid to do so.

    An example would be a person who frequents heavily touristed areas and presents himself as a tour guide (particularly towards those who do not speak the local language), but operates in on behalf of local bars, restaurant or hotels, being paid to direct tourists towards certain establishments.

    In a similar fashion a tout could be someone who, acting upon his own initiative, loads or unloads the baggage from a bus, then demands payment for his services from the passengers. However, in Kenya, which was a British colony, a tout is a legitimate, though not very respected occupation. Touts ride on "matatus," minivans that serve as the primary form of public transportation, collecting the fare and soliciting passengers.

    In gambling parlance, a tout is a person who sells sports betting information to bettors. Another use for the term is when used to refer to an informer or spy. This use is very common in Northern Ireland, particularly in Belfast. In 2008, various inner city Dublin gangs launched the highly popular and deadly campaign 'Out a Tout'. Those outed as Garda Scum were liberated from the banal toutery of their existence.

    Occasionally, informational graffiti is posted in inner city estates in Ireland - a prime example being 'Shay and Wendy are Garda touts'.
  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #2
    Good post, ITH. It's a lot like lawyers; the slimy ones give all of them a bad name.
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    • daggerkobe
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-25-08
      • 10744

      #3
      They're all bad.

      They are no better than the carnival fortune tellers that pretend to predict the future.
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      • InTheHole
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-28-08
        • 15243

        #4
        Originally posted by daggerkobe
        They're all bad.

        They are no better than the carnival fortune tellers that pretend to predict the future.
        Would you say the same for a successful financial advisor(someone with a positive ROI)? How is their information different from a handicapper who analyses data and even perhaps goes to spring training or talks with team insiders?
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        • durito
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 07-03-06
          • 13173

          #5
          "Touts" are exactly the same as financial advisers, 99% worthless. Make sure you've found the 1%.

          Anyone going to spring training for gambling information belongs in the 99% imo.
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          • InTheHole
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-28-08
            • 15243

            #6
            Originally posted by durito
            "Touts" are exactly the same as financial advisers, 99% worthless. Make sure you've found the 1%.

            Anyone going to spring training for gambling information belongs in the 99% imo.
            Some of the best cappers out their do not sell their information for the reason you cited..."pure luck". But as a stated their are a handful of people who sell their picks who I wouldn't consider touts...and definetely not scumbags which many on various forums have alluded to. If their "fortune tellers" then it qualifies that hitting 60% is just getting lucky....following that logic...why even looks at a game before betting on it?
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            • daggerkobe
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-25-08
              • 10744

              #7
              Doesn't matter. You can be an insider like Pete Rose and still suck at picking winners. Ron Meyers, a former head coach of the Colts and Patriots, turned tout but sucks at it. He probably has more insiders than anyone.

              What these scum are doing is criminal. They are selling dreams and fantasies they can not deliver. I believe the industry avg is only around 51%. Come on now, who couldn't do that on their own??????? They are playing a very dangerous and high stakes game with other peoples money. Like I said, Brandon Lang helped his clients lose over 500 Dimes in NFL in 2006-7. That means if ur a $10k bankroller he cost u $50k. Touts are scumbags that sell dreams that they can't deliver and usually cost u ur home.

              Wallstreet is completely different. For example inside information directly determines the rise and fall of stocks.
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              • durito
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-03-06
                • 13173

                #8
                How would one with a $10,000 bankroll lose $50,000?
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                • InTheHole
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-28-08
                  • 15243

                  #9
                  Originally posted by durito
                  Anyone going to spring training for gambling information belongs in the 99% imo.
                  I would disagree with this. I have been able gain some valuable information about how teams will perform out of the gate by their attitude in spring traing, especially after a off-season trade or in the case of college football, a series of senior losses. This information isn't in the Stats and whether the line is set utlizes this information (I am assuming the linesmakrs wouldn't se a line withou considering it...it's a win win as recreational players rarely go to these events.
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                  • InTheHole
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 04-28-08
                    • 15243

                    #10
                    Originally posted by durito
                    How would one with a $10,000 bankroll lose $50,000?
                    If they lost 200 units (unit=.5% bankroll) then the guy clearely sucks ... I would have to lose every pick I make over the 16 weeks to do that...a remarkable feat!
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                    • donjuan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 08-29-07
                      • 3993

                      #11
                      Watching Spring Training=gambling success? WTF. Going to Spring Training is great for having a few cold ones in nice weather and watching a little baseball as a sports fan and little else.
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                      • daggerkobe
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-25-08
                        • 10744

                        #12
                        How can a 10k bankroller blow 50k?

                        Easily. When you fork over $2k to a tout it means u pretty much are entrusting your entire finances to him. And when that scumbag tells u that this game is the biggest lock of ur life and that he needs to bet 3-5 times ur bankroll people do it. They mortgage their homes, sell their cars, pawn their jewerly. Afterall this is your "financial officer" guaranteeing it. Lang did exactly that in 2006-7 and lost em all. It got so bad that he was whining about death threats everyday. Also had warnings on his website against such threats.

                        This is just an example of what these scumbag touts do to peoples lives.

                        No such thing as a good & honest tout. That's like saying there are good telemarketers. The whole industry is crooked.
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                        • durito
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 07-03-06
                          • 13173

                          #13
                          Originally posted by InTheHole
                          I would disagree with this. I have been able gain some valuable information about how teams will perform out of the gate by their attitude in spring traing, especially after a off-season trade or in the case of college football, a series of senior losses. This information isn't in the Stats and whether the line is set utlizes this information (I am assuming the linesmakrs wouldn't se a line withou considering it...it's a win win as recreational players rarely go to these events.

                          by spring training i meant baseball.
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                          • durito
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 07-03-06
                            • 13173

                            #14
                            Originally posted by daggerkobe

                            Easily. When you fork over $2k to a tout it means u pretty much are entrusting your entire finances to him. .

                            Perhaps if you are a moron. And one would have to be to buy someone like brandon langs plays.

                            If one was say buying dr bob's plays it's a completely different story.
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                            • accuscoresucks
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-03-07
                              • 7160

                              #15
                              lets work hard this year guys and make these new guys some free money


                              whats left of the year i made my quota but always more free $ to be had
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                              • daggerkobe
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-25-08
                                • 10744

                                #16
                                All touts are scum.

                                The only ones I see defending them are those who are thinking about turning touts themselves and/or have a financial stake in the industry.

                                Which one are u?
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                                • donjuan
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-29-07
                                  • 3993

                                  #17
                                  Daggerkobe,

                                  If you can lose 50k, your bankroll is not 10k.
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                                  • durito
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 07-03-06
                                    • 13173

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by daggerkobe
                                    All touts are scum.

                                    The only ones I see defending them are those who are thinking about turning touts themselves and/or have a financial stake in the industry.

                                    Which one are u?

                                    i will sell you my plays for the next year for $150,000.
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                                    • daggerkobe
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-25-08
                                      • 10744

                                      #19
                                      Bankroll isn't how much u have. It how much ur willing to lose. But people reload all the time and even double-triple their bets if they really love a pick or a tout tells them to.
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                                      • InTheHole
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 04-28-08
                                        • 15243

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by accuscoresucks
                                        lets work hard this year guys and make these new guys some free money


                                        whats left of the year i made my quota but always more free $ to be had


                                        You are the man...Never enough for me
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                                        • daggerkobe
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-25-08
                                          • 10744

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by durito
                                          i will sell you my plays for the next year for $150,000.
                                          Only if it comes with a Ferrari.
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                                          • InTheHole
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 04-28-08
                                            • 15243

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by durito
                                            by spring training i meant baseball.

                                            My fault...I did write spring training...I was referring to FB
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