BetFirstClass Challenges SBR & EOG

[SBR_John]

SSLP,
I think you should know a new book is not going to fly with this crowd. If anything it will just soil their name.

These posters are players and they are just trying to warn their fellow players. If they are a little rough well thats ok. They are just making their point which is to avoid new books. Thats good advice and we all know that.

[sickler]

Let shrink's underlings be the guinea pigs.

Avoid this book.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Haha. I've been here quite a bit longer than you, friend. I'm surprised you remember those good ole days way back in February. You're right though. I never contribute anything positive to this board. Thank God you're here for that...

[AnotherLoan]

LOL

You got ran off pretty quick pal. SBR is for the big boys. Maybe the suckers over at EOG will fall into your trap, not here pal.

Oh and I ran across this site earlier...

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/american-airlines-opens-online-gambling-website-guess-again-082508.html

[flyingillini]

I have no clue if it is a good book or not. It might be a great book it might not be, I could care less. The one thing that really stands out that it is a very very poorly done site. It looks like a game cities site. They need to get a real web programmer in my opinion. This has nothing to do if they are legit but the site is terrible.

[SSLP]

SBR JOHN

we never got together , well I am not trying to promote anyone all I was saying I got paid locally and thats that , they mentioned the challenge thing and I thought I would post for them as something that might interest people here.

I dont shill bottom line is I have better things to do this time of the year.

I am sorry you guys took it the wrong way , but if you got paid by a book that people are now bashing you perhaps would do the same.

I have my players elsewere so I dont have any ties with them , players that you can ask yourself John and I can even show you records how they got paid if i had any ties with them my players would be there i just thought Id let the forum know my thoughts and past dealings with them

Good night

[sickler]

Well SSLP, your next message to them should be that SBR isn't interested in their "challenge".

[SSLP]

LOL

You got ran off pretty quick pal. SBR is for the big boys. Maybe the suckers over at EOG will fall into your trap, not here pal.

Oh and I ran across this site earlier...

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/american-airlines-opens-online-gambling-website-guess-again-082508.html

Another loan I have been doing this for a very long time , you are not one of the big boys trust me on that .

[MonkeyF0cker]

And if you've been in the game as long as you say then you should certainly know that the vast majority of startups open with honorable intentions but end up failing for one reason or another. As much as they didn't intend to no pay in the beginning, they fall and you're stuck. It happens time and time again. And yes, I get abrasive often. Mostly because I get tired of seeing frauds and idiots around here. It's my way of weeding them out of here. That's all that I can do...

[Bill Dozer]

why do I even bother ?

man you guys are really something , all those Alexa ratings and those great SEO rankings Bill for what??

people come and they see this?

A rough kindergarden ??

what a joke

SS,

There really isn't any ruckus or mayhem here, just the usual posted findings.

I can believe you aren't getting anything from this but you aren't offering anything either. BFS offering to close if they can't pay is like closing a restaurant when the food runs out.

We will let their promoters and FirstClass worry about getting them exposure for their dollar. If they do round up some real players the feedback will eventually come in.

At best BFC is a turnkey using an operation that had to service stiffs to get by. It's a common setup.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I never go over to EOG but I had to see what they were saying over there and I was surprised to see they had it up as a sticky. SSLP is over there promoting the site as well (as OSUCOWBOYS). There is absolutely no way he doesn't have a stake in this thing. He flew to Costa Rica and went to their office and the owner of this place just so happens to be a "longtime friend" of his. He admits to having his own sheet and I've never seen a sheet that didn't want to expand. This is not motivated by simply being a book that paid him (which by the way sounded ludicrous to begin with). He is simply a shill for this book. Plain and simple.

[topcat]

And if you've been in the game as long as you say then you should certainly know that the vast majority of startups open with honorable intentions but end up failing for one reason or another. As much as they didn't intend to no pay in the beginning, they fall and you're stuck. It happens time and time again. And yes, I get abrasive often. Mostly because I get tired of seeing frauds and idiots around here. It's my way of weeding them out of here. That's all that I can do...

me,and you have alot in common.i hate to see people get taken advantage off.people have familys,and they need money during these hard times.i hate con artist.

[poetwarrior41]

At $5000 a month and the Shrink getting a piece of everyone that signs up with them, their going to need every swinging dick in town, to attempt to break even every month. Im turning on the crystal ball,and by November, this is the scenario: Shrink and BW send every mover and beard in his posse into the book.After 3 months of BW moves they absolutely pound Bet First Class into submission. Some of BW and Shrinks beards, start getting the slow pay treatment, and then Kenny flips out. He calls the owner and threatens to badmouth BFC unless the Shrinks beards get paid. BFC gives in, pays Kens beards.Suddenly, the banners come down, and Shrink suddenly has a big change of heart. This place really does suck, their scammers, they really fooled me. Kenny says sorry guys, the guarantee is gone, i told you guys to pull your money out, everyone is on there own. BFC rides in the sunset, and the Shrinks posse and yes men, take it in the ass once again. Ken Weitzner is scum, this guy is the biggest scammer of them all! He is only and i mean only out for himself, and his bank account. Please run away from this book!!!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Definitely, topcat.

[MonkeyF0cker]

And this chump has the nerve to attempt to criticize me. The guy is already lying to us. Imagine what happens when he has your money in his hands. What a great way to start a trusting relationship. Fvckin scumbag.

[poetwarrior41]

In the present environment, neither Spiro, Sacco, or Henry, could start a postup from scratch that caters to the North American market. It just cant happen, i dont care how many years you were a local, the postup game is a whole other beast. Throw in all the start up costs, lack of advertising, processing problems, and this is a lose-lose situation.

[SSLP]

I never go over to EOG but I had to see what they were saying over there and I was surprised to see they had it up as a sticky. SSLP is over there promoting the site as well (as OSUCOWBOYS). There is absolutely no way he doesn't have a stake in this thing. He flew to Costa Rica and went to their office and the owner of this place just so happens to be a "longtime friend" of his. He admits to having his own sheet and I've never seen a sheet that didn't want to expand. This is not motivated by simply being a book that paid him (which by the way sounded ludicrous to begin with). He is simply a shill for this book. Plain and simple.

LOL

First off I live in Costa Rica ..have been for the past 12 years managing books offshore ....people know me around here and people that do know I wouldnt con people .

I think Bill , and some other people on this board know this .

Keep up the good work sherlock.. whats next ?

[Shark79]

Tough crowd.

The book has a lot to fix before ppl beleive its legit, but SSLP is right, sometimes giving it a chance would be the way to go. If you dont like it pass ... if u do give it a shot .. put in 100 or whatever ... but dont go bashing a book just cause its new ... respect is earned not implied ... just like CW has done .. they have earned respect ... if ur interested give it a shot ... if u dont ... simply pass.

Another Loan ... u dont like the book because of the book itself or cause SSLP promoted it?

[Bet Shooter]

The way a see it, there are two seperate things that are being put together as a single judgement. The first is the reputation of this new book. The second is the reputation of SSLP. They ARE mutually exclusive.

SSLP is a standup guy and always has been in SBR. Can anyone actually say that SSLP was underhanded or deceitful in SBR? He may come off as a bad ass (although not so much lately, he has toned it down a bit) and he doesn't pull any punches with his posts in here, but his character was never in question. That alone gives this man credibility to be judged on his own as a man. If anyone thinks or knows otherwise, then please post it.

As far as this new book goes, they should be judged on their merits alone. They have no track record and the odds are stacked against them being a start-up. Would I send them money? Not at the present time. Would I in the future? If they prove themselves I would post up. But every book, good or bad, has to start somewhere. They could be the next Pinny or the next stiff. Only time will tell.

If SSLP decides to post about taking a chance on them, then that is his choice. He now links his reputation to theirs and will be judged accordingly in the future. But don't judge them both today. Especially the posters that don't know either party.

I can tell a lot of posters here don't know SSLP based on their posts. He lives in CR and he works with a few reputable books. He doesn't need to get paid from these guys. He does fine on his own.

My two cents

[SSLP]

The way a see it, there are two seperate things that are being put together as a single judgement. The first is the reputation of this new book. The second is the reputation of SSLP. They ARE mutually exclusive.

SSLP is a standup guy and always has been in SBR. Can anyone actually say that SSLP was underhanded or deceitful in SBR? He may come off as a bad ass (although not so much lately, he has toned it down a bit) and he doesn't pull any punches with his posts in here, but his character was never in question. That alone gives this man credibility to be judged on his own as a man. If anyone thinks or knows otherwise, then please post it.

As far as this new book goes, they should be judged on their merits alone. They have no track record and the odds are stacked against them being a start-up. Would I send them money? Not at the present time. Would I in the future? If they prove themselves I would post up. But every book, good or bad, has to start somewhere. They could be the next Pinny or the next stiff. Only time will tell.

If SSLP decides to post about taking a chance on them, then that is his choice. He now links his reputation to theirs and will be judged accordingly in the future. But don't judge them both today. Especially the posters that don't know either party.

I can tell a lot of posters here don't know SSLP based on their posts. He lives in CR and he works with a few reputable books. He doesn't need to get paid from these guys. He does fine on his own.

My two cents

You are right I dont wish to be associated with this book or any book without a good rating ive been around to long for that.. ALL I WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE was that they paid me in the past as a local and another 2 buddies from the book I worked with then and they paid the 3 of us good.

Knowing them I called and asked them what they thought of SBR and they told me they wanted to be put in a challenge to play players if I could please post it , I said yes not making much of it.

I am not endorsing this book since as a fan of this site I only deal with reputable books with my clients and my personal gambling.

The one thing that really does bother me is when my integrity is put in question and thats were I really get aggravated , since I doubt most of the people doing it know anything about me or what goes in Costa Rica with the way to do business .

People need to stop judging and actually take a chance thats how everyone else got started if you dont like the offer move on but I remember how everyone was talking shit about blackdog and look now , I said it over and over its a good book finally people stopped bashing when they say they were legit.

This whole thing got twisted .

Thank you for your post though BetShooter

[Willie Bee]

...if they dont get paid they will close the site...

Hard to beat a guarantee like that: If we don't pay you, we'll take off a'running

[Bet Shooter]

You are right I dont wish to be associated with this book or any book without a good rating ive been around to long for that.. ALL I WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE was that they paid me in the past as a local and another 2 buddies from the book I worked with then and they paid the 3 of us good.

Knowing them I called and asked them what they thought of SBR and they told me they wanted to be put in a challenge to play players if I could please post it , I said yes not making much of it.

I am not endorsing this book since as a fan of this site I only deal with reputable books with my clients and my personal gambling.

The one thing that really does bother me is when my integrity is put in question and thats were I really get aggravated , since I doubt most of the people doing it know anything about me or what goes in Costa Rica with the way to do business .

People need to stop judging and actually take a chance thats how everyone else got started if you dont like the offer move on but I remember how everyone was talking shit about blackdog and look now , I said it over and over its a good book finally people stopped bashing when they say they were legit.

This whole thing got twisted .

Thank you for your post though BetShooter

NP, SSLP. People don't understand that from your side of the "betting window", all that you have is your integrity. If that ever comes into question then your whole career is gone. No one ever comes back from that type of damage. They then have to rely on the scams to earn a living because the real clients don't want anything to do with you. It's a very dangerous downward spiral that can easily be avoided by follow the advice that I post in my signature below each of my posts. GL

[MonkeyF0cker]

LOL

First off I live in Costa Rica ..have been for the past 12 years managing books offshore ....people know me around here and people that do know I wouldnt con people .

I think Bill , and some other people on this board know this .

Keep up the good work sherlock.. whats next ?

Well my apologies then if you are not him. But you certainly speak identically. You have to admit that this operation appears shady at best, seeming to slop together a site right before the football season opens. While you got paid four times as a local, that certainly doesn't offer that great of a track record IMO. Aside from the fact that this operation was hastily and sloppily thrown together, there is far too much of a push to get players to post up right now. They look nothing short of desperate, and a desperate book is not one which anyone with integrity should be pushing. Sorry but the way you started this thread, it had shill written all over it.

[SSLP]

Money , I understand but OSU cowboys is a different guy all together he has even posted pictures of himself and his wife .. which is smoking , and people that know me on this board know what I look like... not hard to see the difference since I have tattoos from my neck right down to my knuckles ... I mean there was questions being asked about this new book and since I knew the guys who ran it and I played with them before decided to add my 2 cents and provide what little insight I had .

I agree the site needs more work done 100% , but you know only time will tell if they are legit or not . We as an audience cannot insult people whenver we feel like it when we might be destroying hard honest work or not .

Look at Blackdog .. I know the owner of blackdog one of the best bookmakers you could find .. do you remember how he was insulted and bashed at first .. now look.

CreditWagering I dislike them to say the least we all bashed them and made fun of their cheap site .. but they have paid everyone.

I am not endorsing them Money , but perhaps if they cleaned up the site and over the months people would share with us their experiences we can judge then.

I just dont like it when I am thrown in the mix of things and I am called a scammer when I have tried to keep my name clean over the years to gain trust with players

[MonkeyF0cker]

Fair enough, SSLP.

[Mudcat]

Hard to beat a guarantee like that: If we don't pay you, we'll take off a'running

LOL, exactly. Plus the fact that there is a challenge involved. If they were just hoping for my money like every other cheesy start-up sportsbook on the planet, I might shrug it off. But since they are actually challenging me . . . by gawd, I have no defense against that.

[SSLP]

Mudcat Shush now and put your money at wagerweb

[Panic]

Hard to beat a guarantee like that: If we don't pay you, we'll take off a'running

With Willie here. Its like me starting an investment business and grabbing all your money and when it doesnt show a positive return, my slogan will be.."Well then I'll keep the money, but I promise I'll leave town".