Feedback, are the Lions worth a play in the Central?
Kitna is obviously the best qb in the divison, and it would seem that they have the best offense in regards to skill players and backfield. IF I can get 6-1 this may be a play. Here are the field generals in the divsion: Jackson, Rodgers, and Orton. Give me the holy man, Kitna. Before I get carried away, let me know if I am going overboard or just plain leaning in the wrong direction.
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I like your thinking, but defense has to play a part in your decision here also.Comment -
Yeah, Kitna's the best because he has god on his side.Comment -
with the odds, its not unreasonable. Aaron Rodgers struggles. Jackson in minnesota isn't a great QB, if he's injured there screwed and would prob have to look into bringing a veteran in... thats like bringing Vinny back from eating chips on his couch....
Bears are laughable...Kitna has a solid 1 2 WR combo and if they can run the ball it could be interesting...have to see how the destroit pass protection line adapts to zone run blocking.
Kitna is the best QB in the division...Comment -
More feedback please. This is money on the line.Comment -
If the Lions can finish a season the way they start I say yes but I think this division is up for grabs!Comment -
I think Tavaris Jackson is a better QB, than most give him credit for, and AP will make him look even better than he is.
Aaron Rodgers may struggle, but pack should still win 6-7 games, Vikings should win 8-9 games, Bears probably come in last without a second thought, can the Lions win 9-10 games???
I don't know, now if AP goes down the division is up for grabs, but Minnesota's defense could win a few games by themselves.
Minnesota should win that division, with Pack and Lions fighting for second IMO.
Your betting on Minnesota and GB falling, not so much on Det winning.Comment -
You're out of your mind.
I'm on the Lions Under 6.5 wins this year and think they'd have to pull off another miracle to get to 7 wins again.
They are going to be absolutely horrendous this year. The competition got better in the offseason and they got worse, it's as simple as that.Comment -
Yes the division is weak, but the Lions are the worst team in the division.Comment -
Lions are not the worst team in the division... Bears are.
Lions have the best QB in the division. they have the 2nd best WRs in the division.
You guys are betting on GB being a team after all the Brett Favre crap, your betting on Jackson not giving away games... He can do that but he can't win you games... If he's injured, which he is always injured every year, already this year he's injured... Sure Minnesota has a good Dline... But its not like they have great LB's or pass defense.
I would take Detroit over 6.5 games over the division...but I think with the odds here I would go Lions....There is no value in the Vikings. There is little value in the packers...and the bears won't get it done.Comment -
I think Kevin Smith helps the Lions O a lot, but I dont think their lines are up to par
I think barring big injuries, Minny takes the division with like a 9-7 recordComment -
Lions are NOT better than the Bears. Chicago defense is far superior.Comment -
I think there's a little value in over 6.5 wins. I see them going anywhere from 5-11 to 9-7. There are four swing games for them: GB@home, WAS, TB, and TEN. They should start out the season strong again, with a weak first half schedule that include games against Atlanta, San Francisco, and Chicago. Their second half becomes brutal though with a stretch of games against TEN, MIN, IND, and NO, quite possibly 4 consecutive losses. All in all, I don't see the Lions winning the division, Minnesota does. Although they could end up in second, ahead of the Packers.Comment -
Falling? Who is the real GB, last year or the year before? 13-3 vs 8-8 winning last four? Who is the real MN, the team that beat SD handily or the team that could not score the last few games when it counted? AP is going to have the lines(10 in the box) stacked against him and Jackson still needs a good season under his belt. The Bears will be solidly.....bad. So yes I am counting on team falling, and I am moreso counting on the winner of the division being 8-8 or worse, in come the Kitna let Lions. Historically bad versus temporarily bad. Give me historically bad for 1000 Alex.Originally posted by BGboothA
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Either Minnesota or the Packers finish ahead of the Lions this year. Both teams have more talent. And you seem to be only factoring in offense. Both GB and MIN are immensely more talented than DET defensively. GB has a brutal schedule, however. Jackson should be solid at QB for MIN if he stays healthy. If not, they have two pretty good backups in Gus Frerotte and Brooks Bollinger. And by the way, it'll be pretty hard to win the division at 8-8. Detroit and Chicago shared the worst records last year at 7-9...Comment -
Bears are horrible
Minny has no QB
Packer horrible with no QB
Detroit is a solid play, best QB in division by farComment -
minny has AP and a good defenseComment -
Cannot win just running
Peterson will have a bad year and get banged up because they cannot passComment -
Your are not going overboard by ANY MEANS. Nobody seems to want to give the lions a shot this year because, well, their the lions. All that matters is right here right now. Kitna is the best QB in the NFC north and Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson are two of the best receivers in the game. Roy and Calvin don't get a lot of attention because the lions are never on national tv. The run game was a problem for Detroit last year because Mike Martz is an idiot who only likes to pass the ball. Well, martz is gone and Jim Colleto takes over and he's already said he's a run first guy. Tatum bell and rookie kevin smith(who almost broke barry sanders single season rushing record in college) will split time carrying the ball. The only question here is the lions defense which I think is improved over last year. They traded for CB leigh bodden which was huge and lets not forget about Ernie Sims who led the team in tackles last year. They also brought in some guys who are familiar with the tampa2 defense which should help. So far the lions are 2-0 in the preseason. They beat the super bowl champs and the bengals. I know it's only preseason but so far I like what I see. It's a bold prediction but the lions WILL make the playoffs this year. What happens after that only time will tell.Originally posted by seaborneq
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So while the bears have a good defense, too bad they sucked last year...do you know why they sucked last year...couple guys knicked up is that the excuse...
This is the NFL people play hurt. They get knicked up. The bears have no vertical game at all. Hester is the teams only real weapon. They have a average ground game with a subpar passing game. They have good special teams, and a good defense on paper...the only problem with on paper is the team is now 2-3 years older then when it was completely dominating everything in the division...despite the offense.
Defense can only carry you for so long...eventually the offense will have to produce and that won't happen with the current offensive weapons. Bears need 2 1 more starting linemen (assuming there LT is healthy again) they also need a legitimate WR. I'm actually suprised they didn't bring Henry in when he was aquitted...
Defense is starting to get a bit older and showing age, bears have no offense...
So the lions who have the following
Best 1-2 wr combo in the division if not tied with GB
Solid Running game
Revamped the defense to play tampa 2, trading for a solid CB.
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Jackson - can't throw it he manages the game and AP will see 8man fronts all year, if he goes down or is out at all the vikings are in trouble as they have a good defense, but its not going to carry them if the offense sputters in the ground game.
GB- I like AR, I just don't think he can stay healthy and I don't think he is the legit threat to tear a team apart...do I think he could develope, yes, but he needs a year or two before he's going to get there... GB running game is going to be a little down hill compared to last year as they will see more 8 man fronts and not have teams worrying about Favre cannon arm...
QB play means everything and Kitna is the best in the division... Roll the dice, if you win your going to win big.Comment -
Kitna is the best QB by default. The tallest midget. Minny takes the division, Aaron Rodgers turns out to be decent, the Bears go 8-8, and the lions sit at 5-12
Bears D is healthy for the 1st time since 06. Mike Brown, Urlacher, Briggs, Adawale, Harris, Tillman, Vasher....all healthy. Offense blows, but I think Booker and Lloyd are an upgrade over Berrian and Moose. Orton and Lloyd have had a good connection so far in preseason.Comment -
Over 6', but only since you asked.
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I did have my head examined after this post. I should have given the money to a homeless guy.Comment -
Scott Van Pelt on ESPN radio had the Lions making the playoffs as his Dark Horse pick of the year, so you are not alone...Comment -
what in the hell has Detroit shown anybody that they are capable of putting together a 7 win season?Comment -
Originally posted by daneblazer
OK, please listen. I have lived in Mich for 50 yrs. I am a football nutjob. Do you have any idea what it's like to have your home team win 1 playoff game in your lifetime? I hate the Lions passionately! I also watch them so I can hate them more. Are you freakin' kidding me with this best in the division Jon Kitna crap. The guy is horrid and a stretch at backup. He will never start again in Detroit. I hate the Lions more than anyone ,but I would take that bet. They have some high draft picks and you will see Dan Orlovsky emerge as an underrated starting QB. You will also see Schwartz improve the defense with coaching and draft picks. The Central division is weak weak weak. It's a bet I would take.Comment -
I don't think anyone knew the lions would be so pitiful. Lets face it the division is very weak. Not a real playoff team in the group. I give you credit for admitting your mistake... The lions need another guy like Barry Sanders! I even had my ten year old son watch some utube vids of him. But don't feel bad I am a bear fan....plenty of bad news too with absolutely no receivers and no qb that can throw past 10 yards...Originally posted by seaborneqComment -
that division will only get better. The Vikings had several injuries this year and won 10 games. If Chicago or Minny ever get a real Qb they could be 12 win teams.
The Lions have too many holes to fill to think they can win a division.
This is all you need to see
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The Lions were better than 0-16, they were in a lot of those games. Kitna going down early in the season didn't help.
Trading Roy Williams to the Cowboys might be a huge windfall: 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks in addition to their own picks. Now they just need an excellent draft guru and they can turn this thing around like the Dolphins did!
Anyone gonna buy Lions to win the division in 2009?!
Look at the Dolphins who overcame 1-15 as well as the 16-0 Patriots. Anything is possible!
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Not a good play.
Gl though if you do pull the trigger.Comment
