This is insane: Braves -1.5 is +362 at pinny!

[pavyracer]

Don't forget that Eaton is pitching for Phillies now. Still 4 more innings.

[txsholdempro]

hahaha all the peoplewho trashed the phils and thought it wasover never countmy phils out i didnt bet the game but enjoyed that inning like i did bet it come on phils

[ManOfValue]

LOL , now what ?

[pavyracer]

hahaha all the peoplewho trashed the phils and thought it wasover never countmy phils out i didnt bet the game but enjoyed that inning like i did bet it come on phils

You are wrong. Noone trashed the Phillies. Everyone though trashed the Braves and Mike Hampton before the game started.

[madmaxx]

You are wrong. Noone trashed the Phillies. Everyone though trashed the Braves and Mike Hampton before the game started.

not me i was on them first 5 (what a joke) and game

[pavyracer]

not me i was on them first 5 (what a joke) and game

Sorry about your loss. The game is too early to call.

[Checkerboard]

Final Score Prediction

Falcons 21, Eagles 20

[madmaxx]

Sorry about your loss. The game is too early to call.

greg dobbs (who?) hits a pinch hit homer to do it, not sure if that can be any worse

[pavyracer]

greg dobbs (who?) hits a pinch hit homer to do it, not sure if that can be any worse

It was a stupid move by Bobby Cox. Coaches always try to bring their best pitchers in 7th 8th or 9th inning. If he brought Will Ohman earlier in the game at 5th they wouldn't have scored that many runs. Baseball managing is a joke. In soccer, when a manager sees a problem with the team he quickly brings in a sub to control the game. Same thing in basketball.

[rsigley]

There was ONLY ONE OTHER GAME THIS YEAR WITH THIS MUCH JUICE

Danny Haren earlier in the year -250

and they lost to SD that night....4th of July

that makes it 2 for 2 LOSERS this year when a team is favored over -220

this is all from pinny closing lines. quite a lot more than just 2

4/2/2008,Philadelphia Phillies,Cole Hamels,0,Washington Nationals,Tim Redding,1,-225
4/5/2008,New York Yankees,Andy Pettitte,3,Tampa Bay Rays,Edwin Jackson,6,-223
4/6/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,Ben Sheets,7,San Francisco Giants,Barry Zito,0,-245
4/22/2008,Arizona Diamondbacks,Brandon Webb,5,San Francisco Giants,Barry Zito,4,-261
4/22/2008,Atlanta Braves,John Smoltz,0,Washington Nationals,John Lannan,6,-221
4/29/2008,New York Mets,Johan Santana,5,Pittsburgh Pirates,Ian Snell,4,-222
5/3/2008,Cleveland Indians,CC Sabathia,2,Kansas City Royals,Luke Hochevar,4,-230
5/10/2008,New York Mets,Johan Santana,12,Cincinnati Reds,Matt Belisle,6,-260
5/17/2008,Chicago Cubs,Carlos Zambrano,6,Pittsburgh Pirates,Zach Duke,7,-236
5/17/2008,Boston Red Sox,Daisuke Matsuzaka,5,Milwaukee Brewers,Jeff Suppan,3,-223
5/18/2008,Boston Red Sox,Josh Beckett,11,Milwaukee Brewers,Carlos Villanueva,7,-225
5/25/2008,New York Yankees,Chien-Ming Wang,6,Seattle Mariners,Jarrod Washburn,5,-230
5/31/2008,Chicago Cubs,Ryan Dempster,5,Colorado Rockies,Glendon Rusch,4,-240
5/31/2008,Arizona Diamondbacks,Brandon Webb,4,Washington Nationals,Jason Bergmann,0,-232
5/31/2008,Philadelphia Phillies,Cole Hamels,3,Florida Marlins,Ricky Nolasco,7,-228
6/6/2008,New York Yankees,Darrell Rasner,1,Kansas City Royals,Kyle Davies,2,-239
6/9/2008,New York Yankees,Mike Mussina,2,Kansas City Royals,Luke Hochevar,3,-224
6/21/2008,Boston Red Sox,Daisuke Matsuzaka,3,St. Louis Cardinals,Mitchell Boggs,9,-250
6/22/2008,Tampa Bay Rays,Scott Kazmir,2,Houston Astros,Brandon Backe,3,-225
7/1/2008,New York Yankees,Joba Chamberlain,2,Texas Rangers,Kevin Millwood,3,-225
7/8/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,CC Sabathia,7,Colorado Rockies,Mark Redman,3,-225
7/9/2008,Boston Red Sox,Josh Beckett,18,Minnesota Twins,Livan Hernandez,5,-241
7/9/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,Ben Sheets,3,Colorado Rockies,Glendon Rusch,8,-226
7/11/2008,Boston Red Sox,Clay Buchholz,3,Baltimore Orioles,Brian Burres,7,-230
7/12/2008,Chicago Cubs,Rich Harden,8,San Francisco Giants,Kevin Correia,7,-265
7/13/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,CC Sabathia,3,Cincinnati Reds,Homer Bailey,2,-235

[ryanXL977]

this game is not close to over
its a one run game
to me, thats tied

[Checkerboard]

this is all from pinny closing lines. quite a lot more than just 2

4/2/2008,Philadelphia Phillies,Cole Hamels,0,Washington Nationals,Tim Redding,1,-225
4/5/2008,New York Yankees,Andy Pettitte,3,Tampa Bay Rays,Edwin Jackson,6,-223
4/6/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,Ben Sheets,7,San Francisco Giants,Barry Zito,0,-245
4/22/2008,Arizona Diamondbacks,Brandon Webb,5,San Francisco Giants,Barry Zito,4,-261
4/22/2008,Atlanta Braves,John Smoltz,0,Washington Nationals,John Lannan,6,-221
4/29/2008,New York Mets,Johan Santana,5,Pittsburgh Pirates,Ian Snell,4,-222
5/3/2008,Cleveland Indians,CC Sabathia,2,Kansas City Royals,Luke Hochevar,4,-230
5/10/2008,New York Mets,Johan Santana,12,Cincinnati Reds,Matt Belisle,6,-260
5/17/2008,Chicago Cubs,Carlos Zambrano,6,Pittsburgh Pirates,Zach Duke,7,-236
5/17/2008,Boston Red Sox,Daisuke Matsuzaka,5,Milwaukee Brewers,Jeff Suppan,3,-223
5/18/2008,Boston Red Sox,Josh Beckett,11,Milwaukee Brewers,Carlos Villanueva,7,-225
5/25/2008,New York Yankees,Chien-Ming Wang,6,Seattle Mariners,Jarrod Washburn,5,-230
5/31/2008,Chicago Cubs,Ryan Dempster,5,Colorado Rockies,Glendon Rusch,4,-240
5/31/2008,Arizona Diamondbacks,Brandon Webb,4,Washington Nationals,Jason Bergmann,0,-232
5/31/2008,Philadelphia Phillies,Cole Hamels,3,Florida Marlins,Ricky Nolasco,7,-228
6/6/2008,New York Yankees,Darrell Rasner,1,Kansas City Royals,Kyle Davies,2,-239
6/9/2008,New York Yankees,Mike Mussina,2,Kansas City Royals,Luke Hochevar,3,-224
6/21/2008,Boston Red Sox,Daisuke Matsuzaka,3,St. Louis Cardinals,Mitchell Boggs,9,-250
6/22/2008,Tampa Bay Rays,Scott Kazmir,2,Houston Astros,Brandon Backe,3,-225
7/1/2008,New York Yankees,Joba Chamberlain,2,Texas Rangers,Kevin Millwood,3,-225
7/8/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,CC Sabathia,7,Colorado Rockies,Mark Redman,3,-225
7/9/2008,Boston Red Sox,Josh Beckett,18,Minnesota Twins,Livan Hernandez,5,-241
7/9/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,Ben Sheets,3,Colorado Rockies,Glendon Rusch,8,-226
7/11/2008,Boston Red Sox,Clay Buchholz,3,Baltimore Orioles,Brian Burres,7,-230
7/12/2008,Chicago Cubs,Rich Harden,8,San Francisco Giants,Kevin Correia,7,-265
7/13/2008,Milwaukee Brewers,CC Sabathia,3,Cincinnati Reds,Homer Bailey,2,-235

Thanks for this post rsigley.

If possible, can you please indicate where one can can get the old closing Pinny lines from? Thanks!

[pokernut9999]

greg dobbs (who?) hits a pinch hit homer to do it, not sure if that can be any worse

He is now 20-46 as a pinch hitter this year , does not get much better than that.

[ryanXL977]

He is now 20-46 as a pinch hitter this year , does not get much better than that.

thats unreal

[ryanXL977]

Don't forget that Eaton is pitching for Phillies now. Still 4 more innings.

didnt dobbs pinch hit for eaton?

[pavyracer]

didnt dobbs pinch hit for eaton?

You are correct. That was a wise move by Phillies manager. Not only did he got the 3 run HR but he also took out Eaton which the Braves would have pounded in the next inning.

[Ganchrow]

I'm sorry I missed this thread when it first came out, but FWIW I had put closing fair value on the ATL-1½ alternate run line at about +376.

Better late than never? I don't know ... maybe not.

[BeatTheJerk]

the books get it all in this one .

[Bread]

This game has completely ruined my weekend. Done.

I love losing games where I have 9 run innings. Fkng joy!

[rsigley]

Thanks for this post rsigley.

If possible, can you please indicate where one can can get the old closing Pinny lines from? Thanks!

i think covers has them, but i get them myself

[pavyracer]

It appears the Phillies ML was not a very popular bet. Next home game for the Braves I'll be heckling Cox and probably get thrown out for the game. His best lefty and righty bullpen studs, Ohman and Soriano were not used when he had the big lead? He is clueless.

Sorry guys if you lost any money. I thought only a few people followed.

[AgainstAllOdds]

Hey pavy how do you like the new sig??!??!



Im all over it!

[pavyracer]

I love the signature. It shows that I can compose a paragraph with my thoughts whereas you will always be immortally remembered for the "I went hugh" phrase of the century.

[TheLock]

There was ONLY ONE OTHER GAME THIS YEAR WITH THIS MUCH JUICE

Danny Haren earlier in the year -250

and they lost to SD that night....4th of July

that makes it 2 for 2 LOSERS this year when a team is favored over -220

Exhibit A that baseball games are over when the last out is recorded.


FWIW, I was very sad to see Philly come back.

[WileOut]

Pavy I agree with you. Managers in baseball are a joke. They need to use their best pitchers available WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED MOST. If I was the Yankees manager and was up 5-3 on the Red Sox in the 7th inning and the red sox lead off with a single on my pitcher, I bring in Mariano Rivera and stop the immediate threat. Because if Boston scores 5 in this inning you wont even get to use him. Who knows what is going to happen later in the game, use your best pitchers when you need them most!

I have always thought that baseball managers should use their closers in more situations than just winning by 3 runs or less in the 9th inning. If you have a great closer, give him a lot of innings. Bring him in in the 7th and make him finish the game. Hell I would bring the closer in in the 3rd inning if it was warranted.

This was a must win for the Braves. I cannot believe Bobby Cox failed this bad. This game will be looked upon as the game that did us in for the year. But I cant say that any other manager would have played it any differently. Baseball managers very rarely play to win.

[AgainstAllOdds]

I love the signature. It shows that I can compose a paragraph with my thoughts whereas you will always be immortally remembered for the "I went hugh" phrase of the century.

Pavy...how did your "sharps dream" work out? Did the sheep come to daddy?.


Im all over it!

[ryanXL977]

if you bring in your closer in the 6th, who closes the game?

[WileOut]

if you bring in your closer in the 6th, who closes the game?

The closer. Or whoever. A closer could easily pitch the last 3 innings.

My theory is to bring in your best relief pitchers when they are needed most thus getting the most value out of them. My theory is to stop the immediate threat to your lead. Dont worry about the 9th inning because you dont know what is going to happen between now and then. If the other team scores 7 runs between the 7th and 9th innings, what good does the closer do? Nothing, he never gets off the bench.

[pavyracer]

if you bring in your closer in the 6th, who closes the game?

He had Ohman and Soriano available which he used in 6th to 8th innings but didn't use them on the 5th when his team was in trouble. He still had Gonzalez to close the game which was never used because he never got the lead back. Poor managing period!

[TheLock]

WileOut......Who pitches the 9th inning then?

[ryanXL977]

The closer. Or whoever. A closer could easily pitch the last 3 innings.

My theory is to bring in your best relief pitchers when they are needed most thus getting the most value out of them. My theory is to stop the immediate threat to your lead. Dont worry about the 9th inning because you dont know what is going to happen between now and then. If the other team scores 7 runs between the 7th and 9th innings, what good does the closer do? Nothing, he never gets off the bench.

which closer can pitch 3 innings? and more importantly, who will pitch the next day

there is maybe one to two closers active who have ever thrown 3 innings in the majors. its not easy dude, they are usually max effort guys and you cant throw 3 innings. thats possibly the worst idea ever

[WileOut]

How many starters get up on the mound and throw 95 consistently and last past 3 innings? Plenty. A closer is a max effort guy but if he is a great pitcher he could back off a little and go 3 innings. 3 innings is nothing. And you dont worry about tommorrow, you get the win today. Worry about tommorrow after you win today.

Plus it doesnt have to be the closer, that was just an example. Use your other good relief pitchers when they are needed instead of leaving in scrubs with the other team coming back. Using my theory, Atlanta would have won today instead of losing. But its a bad idea right? What about tommorrows game right? That is a stupid train of thought, lose today in order to try to win tommorrow. Relief pitchers dont have glass arms, they should be used much more than they are.

"Situational pitchers" is the worst idea baseball has ever come out with. You should use your best relievers when they are needed most, whether it be at the end of the game or in the 4th inning.

[bigugly]

I loved this game!!! Needed a nice break!