Hundreds of Nazi probes reopened

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • bigboydan
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-10-05
    • 55420

    #1
    Hundreds of Nazi probes reopened
    While I applaud the efforts I feel its a little to late.


    Hundreds of Nazi probes reopened

    BERLIN (AP) — In a final quest to bring Holocaust participants to justice, German authorities have reopened hundreds of dormant investigations of Nazi death camp guards — men who are now so old that time has become "the enemy" for prosecutors hurrying to prepare cases.

    The efforts could result in new prosecutions nearly seven decades after World War II.

    Special Nazi war-crimes investigators reopened the files after the conviction of former U.S. autoworker John Demjanjuk, whose case set a new legal precedent in Germany. It was the first time prosecutors had been able to convict someone in a Nazi-era case without direct evidence that the suspect participated in a specific killing.

    Now authorities are weighing whether the same approach could be used to pursue others, said Kurt Schrimm, the prosecutor who heads the investigation unit.

    Given the advanced age of the suspects, investigators are not waiting until Demjanjuk's appeals are decided.

    "We don't want to wait too long, so we've already begun our investigations," Schrimm said.

    Elan Steinberg, vice president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, welcomed the news and urged prosecutors to act quickly.

    "As our numbers — those of the victims — have also rapidly dwindled, this represents the final opportunity to witness justice carried out in our lifetimes," he said. "Time is the enemy here."

    Meanwhile, the Simon Wiesenthal Center's top Nazi-hunter, Efraim Zuroff, said he would also launch a new campaign in the next two months to track down remaining Nazi war criminals. He said the Demjanjuk conviction has opened the door to prosecutions he never thought possible before.

    "It could be a very interesting final chapter," he said by phone from Jerusalem. "This has tremendous implications even at this late date."

    Demjanjuk, now 91, was deported from the U.S. to Germany in 2009 to stand trial. He was convicted in May of 28,060 counts of accessory to murder for serving as a guard at the Sobibor death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

    Munich prosecutors argued that if they could prove that he was a guard at a camp like Sobibor — established for the sole purpose of extermination — it was enough to convict him of accessory to murder.

    After 18 months of testimony, a Munich court agreed, finding Demjanjuk guilty and sentencing him to five years in prison. He denies ever being a guard and is currently free in southern Germany while appealing the conviction.

    Schrimm said his office is going over all its files to see if any other cases fit into the same category as Demjanjuk. He estimated there are probably fewer than 1,000 possible suspects in Germany and abroad who are alive and can still be prosecuted. He would not give any names.

    "We have to check everything — from the people who we were aware of in camps like Sobibor ... or also in the Einsatzgruppen," he said, referring to the death squads responsible for mass killings, particularly early in the war before the death camps were established.

    Prosecutors have not yet tested whether the Demjanjuk precedent could be extended to guards of Nazi camps where the sole purpose was not necessarily murder but where thousands of people died anyway.

    Even the narrowest scenario — looking at the guards of the four death camps used only for killings: Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Treblinka — plus those involved in the Einsatzgruppen could lead to scores more prosecutions, Zuroff said.

    He estimated the number of suspects at 4,000.

    "Even if only 2 percent of those people are alive, we're talking 80 people. And let's assume half of them are not medically fit to be brought to justice. That leaves us with 40 people, so there is incredible potential," he said.

    Immediately after the war, top Nazis such as Hermann Goering were convicted at trials run by the Allies.

    Investigations of the lower ranks eventually fell to German courts. But there was little political will to aggressively pursue the prosecutions, and many of the trials ended with short sentences or acquittals of suspects in positions of greater responsibility than Demjanjuk.

    However, the current generation of prosecutors and judges in Germany has shown a new willingness to pursue even the lower ranks.

    "Our goal is to bring as many people to justice as possible," Zuroff said. "They shouldn't be let off if they're less than Mengele, less than Himmler ... in a tragedy of this scope."

    Working in favor of the new investigators is the fact that most suspects have probably lived openly under their own names for decades, thinking they had nothing to fear.

    Those who are harder to locate will be the focus of the Wiesenthal center's efforts, which Zuroff said would include reward money for information that helps find a suspect.

    Schrimm acknowledged that Demjanjuk's appeal, if granted, could threaten any new prosecutions. The appeal could still take a year or longer. And the suspects are not getting any younger.

    "That's why we're preparing everything now so that as soon as there is a final decision, we can move immediately with charges," he said.

    Zuroff said he hoped the appeal could somehow be expedited so new charges against others could be filed before it is too late.
  • robzilla
    SBR MVP
    • 10-25-07
    • 3556

    #2
    Maybe 70 years from now they'll be tracking down the US soldiers that invaded Afghanistan.
    Comment
    • NHL Pro Capper
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 07-06-11
      • 604

      #3
      Too bad they don't go after the Commander who ordered Dresden to be fire bombed. Too bad they don't go after Stalin's officers, who executed 20,000 Polish unarmed OFFICERS, and 30,000,000 civilians, too bad they don't go after the Americans who dropped the Atomic bomb on civilians, too bad they don't go after etc... every race, every country, has committed atrocities. The holocaust during WW2 is just the most famous, but no where near the worst. Holocausts still go on TODAY, but nobody cares or hears about it. Probably because the media and newspapers are controlled by a certain group? Like really you want some $ because your grandpa may have built a VW for the Nazi's too?

      Cliffs: BigBoyDan is an angry jew
      Comment
      • TheCentaur
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 06-28-11
        • 8108

        #4
        Originally posted by bigboydan
        While I applaud the efforts I feel its a little to late.
        Maybe, but it's sure to supply plenty of material for more movies and tv documentaries.
        Comment
        • Raven66
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 09-21-09
          • 824

          #5
          Originally posted by NHL Pro Capper
          Too bad they don't go after the Commander who ordered Dresden to be fire bombed. Too bad they don't go after Stalin's officers, who executed 20,000 Polish unarmed OFFICERS, and 30,000,000 civilians, too bad they don't go after the Americans who dropped the Atomic bomb on civilians, too bad they don't go after etc... every race, every country, has committed atrocities. The holocaust during WW2 is just the most famous, but no where near the worst. Holocausts still go on TODAY, but nobody cares or hears about it. Probably because the media and newspapers are controlled by a certain group? Like really you want some $ because your grandpa may have built a VW for the Nazi's too?

          Cliffs: BigBoyDan is an angry jew
          I agree.
          Comment
          • Holtgetsback
            SBR MVP
            • 01-04-10
            • 4655

            #6
            oh shit
            Comment
            • sweepem
              SBR Sharp
              • 04-26-11
              • 459

              #7
              Will this ever stop? I bet every holocaust survivor is a now a millionare.

              My grandparents were 15 when the russians came and send them to a gulag in the ukraine.

              They spend 7 years there and never got anything from the russians.

              Too bad they were ethnic germans and not jews or they would be rich now.
              Comment
              • gangeriver
                SBR MVP
                • 12-23-09
                • 2138

                #8
                Israel kills a lot of children every single day in Palestine. Jews put so small bombs on the Palestine streets looking like toys. A lot of children pick up these and try to play with them. definitely they lose their arms,hands and sometimes they become blind. That is a big genocide. Altough Jews still talk about 70 years ago. these ignorant people know nothing about WW2.

                Which famous family supported Hitler when WW2 time? please research
                Secondly who dead in Nazi camps? don't say "jews" even 6 years old boys laugh this answer. Please some reasearch, don't be lazy.
                Comment
                • bb_skoots
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-04-11
                  • 1088

                  #9
                  Originally posted by sweepem
                  Will this ever stop? I bet every holocaust survivor is a now a millionare. My grandparents were 15 when the russians came and send them to a gulag in the ukraine. They spend 7 years there and never got anything from the russians. Too bad they were ethnic germans and not jews or they would be rich now.
                  yeah, those holocaust survivors sure were lucky to be under the Nazis.
                  Comment
                  • stig99
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 02-27-11
                    • 291

                    #10
                    incredible waste of time....would take a couple yrs to find an alleged nazi guard... a couple yrs to prosecute and when found guilty they are released pending appeal...these men would all be in their 90s now.....with all the time and effort nobody will see the inside of a cell before time comes calling
                    Comment
                    • I/O
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 05-26-11
                      • 7922

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gangeriver
                      Israel kills a lot of children every single day in Palestine. Jews put so small bombs on the Palestine streets looking like toys. A lot of children pick up these and try to play with them. definitely they lose their arms,hands and sometimes they become blind.
                      sure

                      you forgot to add I think they juggle kittens also
                      Comment
                      • iifold
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 04-25-10
                        • 11111

                        #12
                        Originally posted by robzilla
                        Maybe 70 years from now they'll be tracking down the US soldiers that invaded Afghanistan.
                        Maybe you can drive yourself to Afghanistan in your new ugly SUV and stay there...
                        Comment
                        • cornwallace
                          SBR Hustler
                          • 08-30-10
                          • 90

                          #13
                          It´s like punishing your dog for pissing inside your house 4 weeks ago..
                          Comment
                          • flyingillini
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 12-06-06
                            • 41219

                            #14
                            I hope they get every single last one of them... I hope most are in bad shape and they spend the rest of their lives behind bars... **** em all........Baruch HaShem!
                            המוסד‎
                            המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
                            Comment
                            • wtf
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 08-22-08
                              • 12983

                              #15
                              nobody cares, really nobody except you and your tribe
                              Comment
                              • diggler420
                                Restricted User
                                • 04-04-10
                                • 121

                                #16
                                War, well war never changes!
                                Comment
                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65643

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by robzilla
                                  Maybe 70 years from now they'll be tracking down the US soldiers that invaded Afghanistan.
                                  You are comparing Afghanistan to Hitler and Nazi's?

                                  Apples and oranges dude.
                                  Comment
                                  • Inspirited
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-26-10
                                    • 1789

                                    #18
                                    Sounds a bit silly to still be trying to go after old guys they don't have direct evidence against....

                                    but germans and japanese deserved every bomb that america dropped on them. just how it goes when civilization is at stake. if you disagree you're an apologetic of nazism and anti-semite.

                                    just sayin
                                    Comment
                                    • diggler420
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 04-04-10
                                      • 121

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                      You are comparing Afghanistan to Hitler and Nazi's?

                                      Apples and oranges dude.
                                      Absolutely agree on this one.. who is dumb enough to rationally compare such a small invasion force in comparison to the scale of WW2, especially a war/occupation that is so highly regulated and transparent that every action is highly scrutinized and debated/deemed "right or wrong" by the US/and other nations of the worlds medias, to that of Hitler's and its Holocaust??
                                      Comment
                                      • diggler420
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 04-04-10
                                        • 121

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Inspirited
                                        Sounds a bit silly to still be trying to go after old guys they don't have direct evidence against....

                                        but germans and japanese deserved every bomb that america dropped on them. just how it goes when civilization is at stake. if you disagree you're an apologetic of nazism and anti-semite.

                                        just sayin
                                        Comment
                                        • lakerboy
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 04-02-09
                                          • 94379

                                          #21
                                          Who cares? They were under death or do orders. They had no choice. How come no one is goinng after the israeli guards in israel beating up palestines every day? They would kill those muslims if they could.
                                          Comment
                                          • OmgUrMom
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 02-07-10
                                            • 8481

                                            #22
                                            Why the hell would they be wasting time with guys who are probably already on their deathbeds being 80+...

                                            jesus christ talk about wasting resources
                                            Comment
                                            • nosniboR11
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 09-02-08
                                              • 10042

                                              #23
                                              move this shit to the saloon

                                              dan you are making sbr hard to read these days, all this crap
                                              Comment
                                              • ttwarrior1
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 06-23-09
                                                • 28460

                                                #24
                                                hollocaust or whoever u spell it never happened the way they said. You can't blame people for taking orders.
                                                Comment
                                                • ACoochy
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 08-19-09
                                                  • 13949

                                                  #25
                                                  Where does George Bush Jnr fit in all of this? We are talking about war criminals after all...
                                                  Comment
                                                  • LordVodka
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-17-09
                                                    • 5206

                                                    #26
                                                    I'm all for getting Nazis but the only guys that are left are soldiers that were only taking order.
                                                    Comment
                                                    • bettilimbroke999
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 02-04-08
                                                      • 13254

                                                      #27
                                                      Complete waste of time, you're talkin about crimes from the early 1940s, even if the guy was 20 at the time he's now 90

                                                      Fukin pointless
                                                      Comment
                                                      • P.F.Kasooff
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-13-10
                                                        • 1903

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by NHL Pro Capper

                                                        Too bad they don't go after the Commander who ordered Dresden to be fire bombed.

                                                        General Curtis LeMay, a true Patriot, ordered the firebombing of Japan. He said, "I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal."
                                                        Comment
                                                        • Dirty Sanchez
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 03-01-10
                                                          • 16031

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by LordVodka
                                                          I'm all for getting Nazis but the only guys that are left are soldiers that were only taking order.
                                                          Over the past few months they had a trial in Germany for a foot soldier that was living in Hungary...dude was around 90....he had no friggin clue where he was or what he was doing there
                                                          Comment
                                                          Search
                                                          Collapse
                                                          SBR Contests
                                                          Collapse
                                                          Top-Rated US Sportsbooks
                                                          Collapse
                                                          Working...