Any Canadians here that play the legal lottery outlet pro sports parlays?Ripoff?

robzilla · 07-23-08, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by BrentCrude

It's been so long that I have bought one of these lottery pro sports parlay cards in Canada that I forgot the name of them?Do they offer competitve sportsbook odds on them or are they a total ripoff?Knowing how government works,if a ton of people above and beyond normal circumstances picked winning combos in a day,they probably have a provision to go to some pari mutual pool that day so they won't lose money.Are the pro sports leagues still going to court over the lottery running these parlays with their teams as participants?Can you imagine how much money a state could take in and make if they just ran a parlay card and gave the same odds as Las Vegas sportsbooks?

Anyone ever hear of some state ''Pennsylvania or Ohio''awhile back that started the lottery the day that the pick 3 drawing was 777.They would have lost money that day because lottery playing idiots always play 7's but under some fine printing clause,the state paid them less than the full amount.As if for the next 999 days until 777's are probably drawn again they aren't going to make out like bandits.What a ripoff government run lotteries are.If a private sector company used similar practices,the people running it would all go to jail.

In Ontario it's called PRO LINE. It has props, pools and spreads too. If you go to a Casino like in Niagara you only have to select 2 games. Cant bet NBA through cuz NBA said no.

max_asdf · 07-23-08, 08:47 AM

no nba on pro line because of the toronto raptors. nba rules, cant bet on league games if city has a team.. some shit likke that

PuckOff · 07-23-08, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by robzilla

In Ontario it's called PRO LINE. It has props, pools and spreads too. If you go to a Casino like in Niagara you only have to select 2 games. Cant bet NBA through cuz NBA said no.

It's called PRO LINE in the rest of Canada as well.

fiveteamer · 07-23-08, 10:09 AM

actually, I don't think it is called PRO LINE in the rest of Canada.

Matt Rain · 07-23-08, 10:15 AM

Complete garbage. The hold is astronomical, well over 20%.

tyler36 · 07-23-08, 10:36 AM

Yes it is called pro line everywhere else... and it is pretty shitty, bad odds they give ya

Justin7 · 07-23-08, 11:03 AM

Despite the crappy odds, there are pro syndicates that beat the hell out of it. Their actual hold was about 1/3 of the theoretical, and it caused a stink.

sickler · 07-23-08, 08:59 PM

I play the Ontario Proline all the time. Have been for many years.

There is often small to big edges (ie bad lines). The people saying the odds are crap aren't looking for these discrepancies. The three-teamer can become a two-teamer if the third game is hedged online. Gotta be a really big payout for me to hedge it.

max_asdf · 07-24-08, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by sickler

I play the Ontario Proline all the time. Have been for many years.

There is often small to big edges (ie bad lines). The people saying the odds are crap aren't looking for these discrepancies. The three-teamer can become a two-teamer if the third game is hedged online. Gotta be a really big payout for me to hedge it.

wow, never thought about that.. ;o

any more tips on playing this proline stufff??? how2beat it??!

sickler · 07-24-08, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by max_asdf

wow, never thought about that.. ;o

any more tips on playing this proline stufff??? how2beat it??!

An SBR member has a site comparing proline odds to offshore sportsbook odds(he uses pinnacle for most, betfair for soccer).. It's a great resource.....shouldn't be a problem throwing the link out...http://prolineplayer.com/

The Greek often has the same player matchups. Only difference is Proline factors in a tie, while Greek doesn't (tie is a push)

I started a thread a while ago about proline, there didn't seem to be much interest. Play the edges, it's the only way to beat them at their game.

max_asdf · 07-24-08, 11:55 PM

proline should be beatable imo easy

max_asdf · 07-24-08, 11:55 PM

mix in with offshore... = win

i jus duno how to do it lol

sickler · 07-24-08, 11:59 PM

Maybe we can get some Proline threads up in the future. Not much going on in Ontario right now (just baseball and CFL). If anyone looking in on the prolineplayer site doesn't understand something, I can help clarify. Been using it for years.

Max, you don't know how to do what? Mix with offshore?

Brady2Moss · 07-25-08, 01:47 AM

with prolineplayer.com

You can definitely find value and exploit the horrible lines these guys post. I live in BC, and its called Sports Action here.

I would rather play with Pinny tho, you would think your money is safe with a government run book, but no... There are stories of ppl hitting crazy parlays for 10K+ and the gov't giving them shit about cashing it...

Brady2Moss · 07-25-08, 01:48 AM

Overall its a total sucker operation (for most ppl)

Nicky Santoro · 07-25-08, 03:31 AM

i'm surprised no one here knew that the sports lottery in Quebec is Mise O Jeu.. not proline.

in the early 90's, proline was a cash cow.. i will never forget.. they would come out with the weekly NBA lines and they'd have like 7 games off by 18 pts.. no joke.. UTAH would be 202.5 in pro line, and the real line was 184.. this would be like this for at least 7 games a week, so we'd take those 7 games and make a wheel from them and key the top 2 games in every card.. and only play 5 teamers because they were the best mathematical advantage. those were good times. it was easy money. then they changed their rules.

even Mise O Jeu in quebec was good in the early 90s. they'd make their lines the night before for cubs games and their totals were 7.5. and at game time, it'd be 13.5 because of wind, and we'd put every card with cubs ov and did very well..

but now, all rules have changed. when games are off like this, they take it off the board. and for pro line, not worth it bcause they give you 3-1 on 3 teamers and you need huge huge edges in order for it to be worthwhile.

you're better off betting offshore.. but back then, these lotteries were gold.. not anymore..

sickler · 07-25-08, 07:18 AM

Nicky, 3-teamers on the spread actually pay 5-1. 4-teamers pay 10-1. Not bad when you're getting extra points.

Proline pulls the games off the board, but the early bird gets their tickets. Unlike all the books voiding the bad line, Proline will honor it.

You're right though, it was much more profitable in the past. Things have changed. Oh well...

PuckOff · 07-25-08, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

i'm surprised no one here knew that the sports lottery in Quebec is Mise O Jeu.. not proline.

in the early 90's, proline was a cash cow.. i will never forget.. they would come out with the weekly NBA lines and they'd have like 7 games off by 18 pts.. no joke.. UTAH would be 202.5 in pro line, and the real line was 184.. this would be like this for at least 7 games a week, so we'd take those 7 games and make a wheel from them and key the top 2 games in every card.. and only play 5 teamers because they were the best mathematical advantage. those were good times. it was easy money. then they changed their rules.

even Mise O Jeu in quebec was good in the early 90s. they'd make their lines the night before for cubs games and their totals were 7.5. and at game time, it'd be 13.5 because of wind, and we'd put every card with cubs ov and did very well..

but now, all rules have changed. when games are off like this, they take it off the board. and for pro line, not worth it bcause they give you 3-1 on 3 teamers and you need huge huge edges in order for it to be worthwhile.

you're better off betting offshore.. but back then, these lotteries were gold.. not anymore..

Nicky,

Come clean Bro. You are from QWAAAAAABEK right?

Just come clean Bro.

fiveteamer · 07-25-08, 11:39 AM

Pro Line odds from 1994

OTT NYR

13.00 9.00 1.15

Nicky Santoro · 07-25-08, 11:46 AM

yeah fiver, back then when OTT was +440 with the books, Pro line had it at 12.40, which is +1140.. you could easily find 5 games a week like this.. when these games came in, which they did at times, you'd cash big..

sickler, no way pro line pays 5-1.. i havent seen their lines in years, but when you say 5-1, it's not really 5-1, it's 5 for 1... or 4-1 clear.. back then, it was 4 for 1 on a 3 teamer, OR 3-1 in true odds. unless they changed it and now pay 4-1, instead of the old 3-1.. still, no way to make money there. you need too big an edge to make money, and with today's info, it's hard to find. this is no longer the 90's.. unfortunately.

if you get 3 NFL games at 3.5.. you might need close to +7.5 on all 3 games in order to have a chance. anything less, you lose.. and even this 4 pt advantage is cutting it close. and that's at 5 for 1, not 4 for 1. not worth it anymore.. and when games are way off, they take it off the card. bullsht.

fiveteamer · 07-25-08, 12:02 PM

Last time i played proline was on the head to head matchups a few years ago in baseball. I won 8 tickets in about 2 months, they took it off the table before the all star break. this was point spread and basically all you had to do was take the player listed at the .5 dog. 2 guys go 0-4 or whatever and you were a winner.

but back in 94 when sharps like nicky were taking advantage of weak lines, i was blowing my allowance on 5 teamers as a 14 year old, not knowing any better.

PuckOff · 07-25-08, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

yeah fiver, back then when OTT was +440 with the books, Pro line had it at 12.40, which is +1140.. you could easily find 5 games a week like this.. when these games came in, which they did at times, you'd cash big..

sickler, no way pro line pays 5-1.. i havent seen their lines in years, but when you say 5-1, it's not really 5-1, it's 5 for 1... or 4-1 clear.. back then, it was 4 for 1 on a 3 teamer, OR 3-1 in true odds. unless they changed it and now pay 4-1, instead of the old 3-1.. still, no way to make money there. you need too big an edge to make money, and with today's info, it's hard to find. this is no longer the 90's.. unfortunately.

if you get 3 NFL games at 3.5.. you might need close to +7.5 on all 3 games in order to have a chance. anything less, you lose.. and even this 4 pt advantage is cutting it close. and that's at 5 for 1, not 4 for 1. not worth it anymore.. and when games are way off, they take it off the card. bullsht.

Any reason why you are not coming clean with us?

sickler · 07-25-08, 04:29 PM

Nicky, yes 5 for 1 on the point spread. Payout is 5x wager.

Fiveteamer, this quote of yours is classic:

"i was blowing my allowance on 5 teamers as a 14 year old, not knowing any better."

That's an unusual nickname you chose. Still haven't left those dreaded fiveteamers alone?

fiveteamer · 07-25-08, 11:30 PM

I've been known to bet a 5 teamer now again. usually it includes some obscure soccer team though...

Brady2Moss · 07-27-08, 01:27 AM

You can exploit the crap out of their lines because they dont even move. Nothing like an opening line opening at -7 to see it move to -9.5 and proline still has -7

canabiz · 08-03-08, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by fiveteamer

Last time i played proline was on the head to head matchups a few years ago in baseball. I won 8 tickets in about 2 months, they took it off the table before the all star break. this was point spread and basically all you had to do was take the player listed at the .5 dog. 2 guys go 0-4 or whatever and you were a winner.

but back in 94 when sharps like nicky were taking advantage of weak lines, i was blowing my allowance on 5 teamers as a 14 year old, not knowing any better.

I made a ton betting on those pointspread BBH. Unfortunately, OLG shelved that after only a season and a half.

I agree with some of the posters here, Prolineplayer.com is the place to be, although I no longer bet on baseball on ProLine because the opportunities are far and few in between and I have other things to do in the summer. Come the fall though with football and hockey in full tilts, it can be quite a zoo on those ProLine forums, do a Google and you can find out for yourself.

Good luck to all!