Who is the one guy that means the difference of winning 4 games or winning 12 games? Peyton? Ladainian? Brady? Brees?...someone else?
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pats would win with any QB. LT and peyton ARE the teamComment -
Big Ben, he is the Pittsburgh Steelers.Comment -
Believe it or not, I was gonna say Big Ben...but Willie Parker is the man too.Comment -
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Swede is gonna show up anytime now and go after you, Hawaii.Comment -
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Brady has everything at his disposal. Give Manning a Randy Moss to go along with Harrison and he throws 65 touchdowns. Brady is a product of the system. What about a defensive player making the difference?Comment -
Ed Reed is a big time difference maker.Originally posted by PanicComment -
Element, what do you think the Bears do without Urlacher? This is a case of a defensive player making the difference, because we know it aint Grossman or Benson. What about what Ray Lewis has done in Baltimore. They won a SuperBowl with Trent Dilfer. lol. Who do you think makes a difference on the defensive side for wins and losses?Comment -
Urlacher makes a difference, I was just tossing a name out there, wasn't really saying Reed is number one.Originally posted by PanicComment -
Oh, I know, element, I didnt mean to come off that way, I was just wondering who you thought was a difference maker on the defensive side outside of Reed. Trust me, I'm not being confrontational here.Comment -
Bob Sanders, Polamalu, Merriman, Champ Bailey, DeMarcus Ware, Richard Seymour, Osi Umenyiora, Antonio Cromartie would be at the top of my list.Originally posted by PanicComment -
Out of that list, I would say Merriman and Ware are the top difference makers.Comment -
Ray Lewis, in the day.
Otherwise, Peyton comes quickly to mind. I don't want to know what the team would do with Sorgi running the team.Comment -
How can you not say Bob Sanders, when he's not around Colts D looks terrible...they get carved up he's back in the lineup and they look top 5.Originally posted by PanicComment -
We cant pick em all, Pure. I like Ware and Merriman. You like Sanders. All are good.
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Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
Rex Grossman.
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What about all those years he didn't have Moss and still got the job done?Originally posted by Panic
Brady for me. Anyone who denies his talent is just a hater.Comment -
No doubt he's a great quarterback. But I think its more the system than his raw talent. If you put Manning on the Pats, he would throw 60+ touchdowns. Hell, put Carson Palmer on there and he would have monster numbers.Comment -
You cannot be serious. A HUGE part of a team's success is working together well as a team. The Pats have that down. You can't just look at stats, swap the QB and say they would be better with Manning. Communication is huge between QB's and their receivers...there is no way of knowing whether Manning would even make 20 touchdown passes. Brady is a good leader. His team listens to him. That's what puts him a cut above the rest as far as I'm concerned.Originally posted by PanicComment -
Swede, Manning has thrown for over 30 touchdowns in 3 of his last 4 seasons and has a total of 4 overall. Tom Brady? Hes only done it once and that was this year when they got Moss. He went from throwing 28 to 50 in one season. How Long had they been playing together?
Thats right. O seasons. When Manning threw for 49 touchdowns it wasnt because some big name reciever was traded there, he used the same guys. If Moss went there, Manning would set records that would never be broken.
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Doesn't the fact that Brady and Moss had never played together tell you they must really have a strong connection as players? It's not like this was Brady's first great season. He hasn't had Moss all along. So he threw less touchdown passes than Manning before then...he has more rings and he almost always comes through in a clutch.Comment -
Swede, if you were to start a team today, would you honestly tell me you would take Brady over Manning? (and this is with them both in their prime)Comment -
Yessir. And I don't think Brady has hit his full prime yet.Originally posted by PanicComment -
Well then we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
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Brady is not going to throw 50 td's again, that was his big year, he is going to go back down to 30-35 per year, lets not pretend that he is going to throw 50 again.Comment -
Deal. We'll pick this up when they both retire and we can look at their entire careers.Originally posted by PanicWell then we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
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Brady is the best QB in the league.Comment -
Gordon, that's my favorite picture of the year. Priceless.Originally posted by gordon gekko
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It still cracks me up every time I look at it lol.Originally posted by swede96Gordon, that's my favorite picture of the year. Priceless.
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If Jack could shoot lazers from his eyes....Doc would be a dead man. Just sayin'Originally posted by gordon gekkoIt still cracks me up every time I look at it lol.
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Who makes a bigger impact on the field than Bob Sanders...definately wasn't Merriman unjuiced. Dware maybe, but the Colts D is completely different. I even hate the friggen colts cuz my brother in law loves them and even I can see this plain as day.
Bob Sanders is the most important player on that teams defense. MVP right there. Sure you can list a couple of names, but Merriman had a down year, and Dware put up good numbers. I just feel its not all about the number but the MVP stands for VALUE. Bob Sanders is the VALUE.Comment -
If you want to go that way then I say Derrick Johnson out of Texas. He played for the Chiefs.
Sander stats: 96 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 2 interceptons.
Johnson: 94 tackles, 4.0 sacks, 2 interceptions.
He got no recognition because he didnt play on a team that won like Sanders did. Watch what Derrick Johnson does next year.Comment -
last time I checked the official rules of the national football league 11 guys play for each team
hard to say one guy is the sole reason a team wins
but my picks would be Pats and Colts offensive lineComment
