Any poker expert: Explain what happened with Scotty Nguyen @ 2007 WSOP

[daggerkobe]

Why the F did he do what he did? Were those any assemblence of a good play and he just got unlucky?

If he folds those hands, he's guaranteed a spot at the final table, is that correct?

If you were to compare his meltdown/chokejob to another sporting event, what would be a good comparison?

And when does the 2008 WSOP begin and end?????

[MonkeyF0cker]

He was playing big stack poker. There are points in tournaments where people tend to tighten up their play tremendously because they don't want to be knocked out. Just before the money or with only a few left before a high profile final table are two big examples. He was trying to take advantage of this mentality by using his stack to try to move people off of hands and take what is usually dead money. Not only can he increase his stack fairly easily but it also dwindles the stacks of others and puts the short stacks on the defensive rather than the offensive. Unfortunately for him, he ran into some monsters and busted out himself. It was probably apparent to the rest of the table what he was attempting to do...

[AgainstAllOdds]

He was playing big stack poker. There are points in tournaments where people tend to tighten up their play tremendously because they don't want to be knocked out. Just before the money or with only a few left before a high profile final table are two big examples. He was trying to take advantage of this mentality by using his stack to try to move people off of hands and take what is usually dead money. Not only can he increase his stack fairly easily but it also dwindles the stacks of others and puts the short stacks on the defensive rather than the offensive. Unfortunately for him, he ran into some monsters and busted out himself. It was probably apparent to the rest of the table what he was attempting to do...

If I can just add....I wasnt a chokejob because he's never played any diffrent. when he gets the big stack, he shoves people around. Like what was said...he just ran into monsters...

As far as 2008 I think I remember reading somewhere he won a bracelet.

[fiveteamer]

they still play poker?

that shit was cool in 2004.

[pokernut9999]

That is why you should not be drinking alcohol at that level.

[SBR Lou]

That is why you should not be drinking alcohol at that level.

*In Scotty voice*

Why not bebe?

[MonkeyF0cker]

they still play poker?

that shit was cool in 2004.

Yeah no kidding. I just quit playing poker for a living because nobody thinks its "cool" anymore. I just got a job as a garbage man instead. You wouldn't believe how many times I get laid when I tell chicks I pick up garbage for a living. Thank God playing poker isn't cool anymore.

[TheLock]

That is why you should not be drinking alcohol at that level.

Exactly. I don't remember exactly how those hands went down at the end for Scotty but there were 1 or 2 WTF moments for sure.

[Wheell]

Scotty didn't just win A bracelet in 2008, he won THE bracelet. The 50k buy in H.O.R.S.E. event is the players championship. The main event is a donkeyfest.

[pat venditto]

Scotty went on tilt and thought phillip hilm was making a play on him when scotty had aq on a q-5-2 board or something like that where phillip hilm had a set of 5's. scotty moved all in and hilm instacalled.

[madmaxx]

Yeah no kidding. I just quit playing poker for a living because nobody thinks its "cool" anymore. I just got a job as a garbage man instead. You wouldn't believe how many times I get laid when I tell chicks I pick up garbage for a living. Thank God playing poker isn't cool anymore.

ever find any playing cards in the trash to play poker with?

[gordon gekko]

Basically he went on tilt and was in a bad mood which really reflected on his play.

[MonkeyF0cker]

They're all marked. Too easy.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Basically he went on tilt and was in a bad mood which really reflected on his play.

That's simply not the case. I've already explained what he attempted to do. What would he have possibly been "on tilt" from? Being the chip leader? Just not true.

[gordon gekko]

were you watching the same thing I was? I remember it vividly Scotty was not in his typical happy mood and when he tried to knock Hilm out with AQ and Hilm hit trip 5's and doubled him up it was all down hill from there and Scotty went on tilt.

[gordon gekko]

Scotty should of just sat back with his massive chip lead and worried about knocking people out at the final table.

[donjuan]

Scotty should of just sat back with his massive chip lead and worried about knocking people out at the final table.

Lol.

[MonkeyF0cker]

were you watching the same thing I was? I remember it vividly Scotty was not in his typical happy mood and when he tried to knock Hilm out with AQ and Hilm hit trip 5's and doubled him up it was all down hill from there and Scotty went on tilt.

OMG. Yeah. And the only hands they play in that 14 hour session are the 20 they show on ESPN. If you knew anything at all about poker, you'd know that many hands before that which were not televised created the situation that they were in. Scottie does not go on tilt. He makes plays. There's a big difference. I've played in several tournaments with the guy. Aggression is not tilting and its not donking off your chips in certain instances. You can think what you want but you are wrong in this case.

[gordon gekko]

MonkeyFukkhead I know what I am talking about and OBV. they don't show every hand but they do show the big important hands to show what's going on and Scotty WENT ON TILT AND FUKKED UP BIG TIME that's what happen.

[donjuan]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about based on your previous posts.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yes. You're right. Of course you can tell that by watching a television show. A guy who plays poker for a living in Las Vegas and has actually played in live tournaments with Scottie probably would have no insight as to what actually happened. The guy that saw it on ESPN would...

[gordon gekko]

Ok you are right I am wrong.

[gordon gekko]

Monkey are you going to the bash?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah. I'll be there.

[gordon gekko]

Would you play heads up for $1,000?

[donjuan]

If I go, I definitely would given a non-absurd blind structure.

[gordon gekko]

If I go, I definitely would given a non-absurd blind structure.

We could start with 2500 units and the blinds can go

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
200/400 and so on.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Would you play heads up for $1,000?

Even though heads up is invariably more about luck than skill, I'd consider it. I'd really rather play it in a cash game environment instead of a tournament structure, however.