What happened to no Store price increases?

[Iwinyourmoney]

You're too easy so just going to take a pass here... don't want to destroy the little self esteem you may have left.

[pavyracer]

Guys I told you this in the past but you guys don't listen to me. When a poster wins big at the Casino or Book the cost is passed to the other posters. This is like the tenth time it happened since the inception of the points gimmick. So next time when someone wins big think twice before you cheer.

[Bill Dozer]

How do you figure the price went down Bill?

$280 was 3030, or 10.8 points to the dollar.
$140 is now 1990 or 14.21 points to the dollar.

Your selling them at ~ 7 points to the dollar... that means you have a 100% premium on sportsbook cash now!

Yea, I guess we did have a discount at the highest book credit amt. The others are all cheaper and youre not taking into account the product is different in that rollovers are cut in half or more in some cases. We are selling points to non-US guys and can't be a scalping clearing house for deposits. But, if you or anyone else hasn't bought the pts you are redeeming for sportsbook cash, you can have that price until the end of the yr.

I understand this is SBR business and they manage it as they want, but this is silly.

With the effective price increases, it is now bad business to buy a sportsbook cash. Let's see: You can use your 2000 points to deposit $140 on a sportsbook (with a 3x rollover), or you can sell the points for $142 (100 EUR) direct to the moneybookers account, and now you can keep the cash or deposit it at the sportsbook with a reload bonus (and similar rollover), or without bonus and rollover. Obviously, selling the points is now the better option.

If you are a bonus hunter jumping from book to book you have a point that selling the pts back to us is a good deal. But, if you are a customer at a book and simply want to play there then going the book route is a better deal. The rollover is irrelevant because you are an actual player and the moneybookers has a withdrawal fee. In the future, youre likely to see that sportsbook cash is the slightly better deal in all cases.

[Bill Dozer]

Guys I told you this in the past but you guys don't listen to me. When a poster wins big at the Casino or Book the cost is passed to the other posters. This is like the tenth time it happened since the inception of the points gimmick. So next time when someone wins big think twice before you cheer.

from Wikipedia: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use.

...So all those pizzas, Five Guys and chik fil A you been eating were all a gimmick? Might I suggest the home gym. 10% off just for you.

[JBT]

from Wikipedia: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use.

...So all those pizzas, Five Guys and chik fil A you been eating were all a gimmick? Might I suggest the home gym. 10% off just for you.

[pavyracer]

from Wikipedia: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use.

...So all those pizzas, Five Guys and chik fil A you been eating were all a gimmick? Might I suggest the home gym. 10% off just for you.

It's a gimmick Bill. The whole concept is to force posters to sign up at books via SBR provided links thus attaching their accounts for future affiliate money. You must be one of these people who keep charging their CC for every purchase so that they win extra miles for flying but don't pay it off at the end of the month and paying interest. Your bank thinks this is marketing but I call it a sucker's gimmick.

So you gave me pizzas and gift cards and you took my money when I lose at the book.

[JBT]

It's a gimmick Bill. The whole concept is to force posters to sign up at books via SBR provided links thus attaching their accounts for future affiliate money. You must be one of these people who keep charging their CC for every purchase so that they win extra miles for flying but don't pay it off at the end of the month and paying interest. Your bank thinks this is marketing but I call it a sucker's gimmick.

So you gave me pizzas and gift cards and you took my money when I lose at the book.

They don't take YOUR money, they just take part of the books winnings... Once you lose money to a book it's not yours anymore anyway, so why should you care who it is divided among? You would've lost it anyway, even if you played at some other book or haven't signed up through them... I for one prefer SBR to profit from my losses than books alone, as unlike books, SBR at least gives us something back in exchange and offer us this great resource (the forum) free of charge.

[pavyracer]

They don't take YOUR money, they just take part of the books winnings... Once you lose money to a book it's not yours anymore anyway, so why should you care who it is divided among? You would've lost it anyway, even if you played at some other book or haven't signed up through them... I for one prefer SBR to profit from my losses than books alone, as unlike books, SBR at least gives us something back in exchange and offer us this great resource (the forum) free of charge.

I didn't say I didn't like what SBR is doing. But at the end of day it's a gimmick.

[Dirty Sanchez]

The Prices in the store fluctuate according to the US Dollar and Japanese Yen......times are tough

[robmpink]

I trust them as far as I could throw them.

[Cookie Monster]

Yea, I guess we did have a discount at the highest book credit amt. The others are all cheaper and youre not taking into account the product is different in that rollovers are cut in half or more in some cases. We are selling points to non-US guys and can't be a scalping clearing house for deposits. But, if you or anyone else hasn't bought the pts you are redeeming for sportsbook cash, you can have that price until the end of the yr.


If you are a bonus hunter jumping from book to book you have a point that selling the pts back to us is a good deal. But, if you are a customer at a book and simply want to play there then going the book route is a better deal. The rollover is irrelevant because you are an actual player and the moneybookers has a withdrawal fee. In the future, youre likely to see that sportsbook cash is the slightly better deal in all cases.

I see your point. You do not want to be open to scalping abuse. If SBR offers sportsbook cash at a price well below the points selling rate, anyone can get a profit buying points and then using the points to buy sportsbook cash instead of depositing directly to the sportsbook.

But you should see the issue also from the players perspective. A player with losing history at the book (ie 90% of players, not only bonus hunters) gets a bonus when reloading. So, it make no sense for him to use his points to buy sportsbook cash and get no bonus.

I guess the answer is offering a little incentive to buy the sportsbook cash, but not so much to become a large scalping route. Maybe 15% discount is a fair number.

Bill: Maybe the book's will eventually want to pay for that discount and avoid players going through MB and creating fees. It's a good idea.
For now, it's the better deal for the majority (no, 90% of reloaders don not get a bonus unfortunately). For those guys that wanted that specific item at the old price (and havent moneybookered in) are good to go.

[ThaddeusB]

It doesn't really matter to me since I can't convert to money brookers or SB cash, but the MB option is clearly superior if the price is the same. You can use MB to deposit into the book of your choice for no fee and no rollover, or you can use SB to deposit into a limited number of books and accept a rollover. Gee, tough choice.

Bill: Yea, like I mentioned above, if you simply want to deposit to a book (and youre non-US) going to a book is the better deal.

[Bill Dozer]

It's a gimmick Bill. The whole concept is to force posters to sign up at books via SBR provided links thus attaching their accounts for future affiliate money. You must be one of these people who keep charging their CC for every purchase so that they win extra miles for flying but don't pay it off at the end of the month and paying interest. Your bank thinks this is marketing but I call it a sucker's gimmick.

So you gave me pizzas and gift cards and you took my money when I lose at the book.

Listen Ronald McDonald, "The concept" is to give back to you, our valued user instead of advertising on ESPN deportes or Yahoo Odds, so that you tell your friends how much fun you had.

A gimmick = zero tangible value. You'll have posted up $200 (that you didnt have to bet) so you can eat $350 in cheeseburgers and complain that SBR has stolen your free will.

[Glitch]

bill, gimmick works under dictionary.com's first definition.:

gim·mick

  <noscript></noscript> /ˈgɪmɪk/ Show Spelled[gim-ik] Show IPA
noun
1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

2. a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal: An offer that good must have a gimmick in it somewhere.

3. a hidden mechanical device by which a magician works a trick or a gambler controls a game of chance.

4. Electronics Informal . a capacitor formed by intertwining two insulated wires.


it is more important that you address what cookie monster and thaddeus are saying-

Can you really not see how 140 dollars to moneybookers isnt better than 140 dollars to a specific book with a rollover and a max cashout of 1000??

[pavyracer]

No matter how many times you try to sugarcoat it Bill it's still a gimmick. I don't understand why you get offended. I always call a spade a spade here since I started posting.

[ThaddeusB]

P.S. the whole store, except for the charitable donations, is pointless for non-US members now. The cash out option offers far superior value to anything in the store, so you'd have to be a fool to use the store. (Of course, I'm sure some non-US people will be a fool and still use it.)

[chemicalbrother]

P.S. the whole store, except for the charitable donations, is pointless for non-US members now. The cash out option offers far superior value to anything in the store, so you'd have to be a fool to use the store. (Of course, I'm sure some non-US people will be a fool and still use it.)

but if it's never going to come back (sb cash), they why wouldn't you use the store? i mean, and this is seemingly further and further down the road daily for me, eventually i'd like to get an ipad. sure it probably isn't good 'value', but i have never gotten a pizza (or anything else for that matter) and the ipad provides me with a goal at least.

[onlooker]

P.S. the whole store, except for the charitable donations, is pointless for non-US members now. The cash out option offers far superior value to anything in the store, so you'd have to be a fool to use the store. (Of course, I'm sure some non-US people will be a fool and still use it.)

We just have to buy something in the store that we can flip without a problem after we get it, if we don't want it and want the cash. Yes the value went down, but any value is better then zero value.

[ThaddeusB]

but if it's never going to come back (sb cash), they why wouldn't you use the store? i mean, and this is seemingly further and further down the road daily for me, eventually i'd like to get an ipad. sure it probably isn't good 'value', but i have never gotten a pizza (or anything else for that matter) and the ipad provides me with a goal at least.

We just have to buy something in the store that we can flip without a problem after we get it, if we don't want it and want the cash. Yes the value went down, but any value is better then zero value.

I think you both are missing my point. For US people, of course the store items are our only choice and a lot better than nothing. For non-US people, converting to cash is always the better option. If you really want an Ipad, or whatever, you can get it for less points by converting your points to cash and then buying the item yourself. Thus, for non-US people the store is obsolete.

[chemicalbrother]

i wanna do that, too.

one day.

[FreeFall]

It's OK to have unannounced price increases. But do you know what drives the customers to the store? A sale. Why not have a one day sale on select items?

what if you don't want to sell said item?

[dherd]

oh no say it aint so - havent checked them in a while guess i need to parouse the store again. nothing is free and nothing is cheap except orange driver.

[onlooker]

For non-US people, converting to cash is always the better option. If you really want an Ipad, or whatever, you can get it for less points by converting your points to cash and then buying the item yourself. Thus, for non-US people the store is obsolete.

Agreed.

[chemicalbrother]

what's the buy and sell price of points?

[chachi]

We did add a nice SBR baseball cap recently.

Ive been begging for the hooded sweatshirt in an XXL/2XL since before Christmas John ...

How can I contemplate visiting friends in London this fall without one, just in case?

what's the buy and sell price of points?

to buy:

€0.05 per in blocks of 200/400/1000/2000

to sell:

€0.05 per in quantities of 1000 or 2000 for €50 or €100 cash via moneybookers
$0.07 per in quantities of 999 or 1990 for $70 or $140 cash at sportsbooks

[aca]

I only pray that sell points for € MB cash will not be short time deal!

[Optional]

Ive been begging for the hooded sweatshirt in an XXL/2XL since before Christmas John ...

How can I contemplate visiting friends in London this fall without one, just in case?



to buy:

€0.05 per in blocks of 200/400/1000/2000

to sell:

€0.05 per in quantities of 1000 or 2000 for €50 or €100 cash via moneybookers
$0.07 per in quantities of 999 or 1990 for $70 or $140 cash at sportsbooks

Geez, speak in American for the poor fellas!

About $7 per hundred to buy. Same price to sell. (depending on current exchange rate with the Euro)

[Optional]

Come to think, with no spread between the buy and sell price... SBR is probably the best place you can find to play the EUR/USD exchange rate.

*Edit: oops, forgot about MB fees

[Glitch]

P.S. the whole store, except for the charitable donations, is pointless for non-US members now. The cash out option offers far superior value to anything in the store, so you'd have to be a fool to use the store. (Of course, I'm sure some non-US people will be a fool and still use it.)

papa johns pizzas are pointless???? now youre just being ridiculous. hahaha.

[yahoonino]

i thihk they should put back more rewards for nonpros

i agree im in 2 book and they want me to sign with a new book to became a pro ,,,what a bunch of bs

[Bill Dozer]

i agree im in 2 book and they want me to sign with a new book to became a pro ,,,what a bunch of bs

Sorry Yahoo. Im sure you can understand the sportsbook doesn't want to pay for nothing. 5Dimes doesnt want to essentially spend about $500 ($350 if you dont play an trivia or contests) on gifts to their current players. If this didn't have some business sense to it, we wouldn't be able to pull it off.

We'll have a bunch of new options tomorrow including fantasy sports betting and charities.

[chachi]

Geez, speak in American for the poor fellas!

I am one

What - cant anyone multiply 7c times the desired amount of points these days?

[flyingillini]

Jack up the prices and screw the poster!

[chachi]

gouge

[immy5150]

doesnt matter to me what they do...love the site and only can hope to use pts someday