Could be the worst ethical decision ever

[supr_villn]

good post ,, kid is a moron !
only a fgt would see otherwise ..

[PanamaBrad]

The true villain in all of this is the US government trying to tax this kid over the generosity that befell him.

[MartinBlank]

"worst ethical decision ever".

Really? Seriously?

I mean, pedophiles raping children, people murdering innocents, genocide, the development of chemical and biological weapons, and you go with a kid giving back a home run ball?

Wall Street guys raiding pension funds, Bernie Madoff......do I really need to go on?

Seriously?

[mebaran]

There is no way in hell that ball would take in 500k. Lets actually think logically here for a second. I saw it was worth around 35k on a yahoo blog post yesterday, but I just did a quick google search.
And I guess some auction houses belief it 'could' bring in 250k at max value.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-14/derek-jeter-s-3-000th-hit-ball-for-yankees-might-fetch-250-000-at-auction.html

But that is very unlikely.

I'm sure MLB would be willing to pony up 250k in a second to preserve a milestone in yankee and baseball history.

[HoulihansTX]

He did nit major in finanaces.

[rickbo528]

This kid gave away a lot of money, but there are lots of poeple who make terrible decisions. What he did was almost immoral, though. I mean, the moment it is determined that he is the one who rightly came up with the ball, he probably has a true net worth of close to half a million dollars. It could actually be more than that.

So, he essentially throws away the security that 500K brings, and he was willing to do that because he is a Yankee/Jeter fan. To think that this guy lives with his parents and could have bought himself a house and never had a mortgage or rent payment the rest of his life is really sad and sickening. His Dad needed to step in there.

It is as if he had 500K in the bank and wrote a check to Derek Jeter in order to shake his hand. The kid gave away half a million dollars for that. That is truly horrific.

It was the wrong thing to do on so many levels. If he wanted to be a super hero he could have sold the ball and given it to the wife and child of that fella that died falling out of the stands at the Ranger game the other day. Now that is an ethical case worth considering, and you could hold your head high if you had what it takes to do that.

As it is, he was briefly worth 500K or so, and could have been debt free for pretty much life. He essentially bankrupted his family by giving his only asset on earth to a guy who is worth over 100 million. Jeter had no rights to the ball, nor an expectation of such generosity. The trade-off is so sickening. Jeter suffers no moral harm or loss if the kid keeps the ball and sells it. It is not like the kid saved his life by donating a kidney to save his favorite player.

This kid throws his future away for nothing. It would be like donating 500K to the US Government, if that 500K was all you had to your name. You just aren't creating a worthwhile benefit on the other side, but you are destroying your own finances.

The world is not a better place if this kid gives the ball back like he did. He simply blew it, and everyone around him should be ashamed for not stepping in and saving him from himself. Imagine this guy cashing his next paycheck and clearing like $360. He basically gave away between 1K and 2K per month for the rest of his life. 500K earning just 2 percent over his lifetime gets him close to 1K per month without touching the principal.

This is brutal what he did. Imagine if someone else had caught the ball and auctioned it off. And some 23 year old kid, who just inherited 500K from an uncle he never new he had, bankrupts himself and purchases the ball at auction so he can give it to Derek Jeter as a present. All the while, working the next decade selling cell phones and being burdened by six figures of student loan debt, while living with his parents. This is what this kid really did.

Only a liberal could write this.

[infamousbacardi]

I thought it was stupid too...so he gets 4 tickets to every Yankees game for the rest of the season...call it like 40 games or so (too lazy to look right now)...what's that worth??? just curious....I still thought he should have gotten a little more than that....but I do wonder what that's worth...

[rthoughton]

Adande on Rome (Stephen A Smith in his place) yesterday made some really fantastic points about how retarded this move was. His points were all around the fact that baseball and the New York Yankees are making huge money off of this accomplishment.
"sucker move. You know the yankees and mlb are going to profit off of this as much as they can. There's a Derek Jeter 3,000 hit watch out selling for $550 a pop, $2.5 million in jeter related sales since the hit, fans paid $65 a seat in the OUTFIELD just to see the hit..so you know baseball is gonna get theirs.. so the fan should get his. Fan said Jeter worked hard for those hits, didn't your girlfriend work hard to buy you that ticket?! didn't your parents work hard...?! Hopefully Jeter will step up and do the right thing here and kick that kid some of the revenue this generates...""

I initially thought it was kinda nice what the kid did and all of the hate-Jeter posts made me even more on that side, but this citation sways me.
Jeter doing nothing would surely embody the Yankee way, right?

[BewareOf5Dimes]

"worst ethical decision ever".

Really? Seriously?

I mean, pedophiles raping children, people murdering innocents, genocide, the development of chemical and biological weapons, and you go with a kid giving back a home run ball?

Wall Street guys raiding pension funds, Bernie Madoff......do I really need to go on?

Seriously?

Yes, it is one of the worst ethical decisions you God Damn clown. In the Madoff case, those who were giving him money knew something was fishy. They got their free ride in their mind for quite a while. He buried them like they ******* derserved.

With Genocides, the people doing the killing are doing the killing because they will be better off once there are less people.

This kid basically was willing to be broke for life and owe solid six figures in student loans, all because he is a fan of Derek Jeter. Jeter didn't even care about the ball. The world deosn't benefit because Jeter or the Yankees have the ball.

What happens when this kid's Mom or Dad gets sick and the hospital bills mount. He could have used that 500K to save their lives. What happens when this kid has children of his own. Now he gets to tell them to pay for their own college or bankrupt themselves with loans. He could have paid for their college education with this money.

What happens when his girlfriend becomes his wife and they have a child....and he has to live with his parents because he is selling sell phones? The kid could have lived in a house of his own.

What happens when he has a child with special needs, and they have to rely on the government just to get by?

You are a disgrace if you don't see the damage this kid did to his family. In all other cases you listed, those who are doing the damage at least have their own self-interests at heart, and in their minds they will be better off.

NOBODY is better off now that this kid gave the ball back, but everyone he cares about will live a quality of life that is a lot worse than it could have been.

The kid could have taken 10 random underpriviliged high school students and paid for all of their college education, but he gave the ball back.

You are pathetic. What he did was one of the all-time worst decisions in ever. Now get a job you loser.

[MartinBlank]

Yes, it is one of the worst ethical decisions you God Damn clown. In the Madoff case, those who were giving him money knew something was fishy. They got their free ride in their mind for quite a while. He buried them like they ******* derserved.

With Genocides, the people doing the killing are doing the killing because they will be better off once there are less people.

This kid basically was willing to be broke for life and owe solid six figures in student loans, all because he is a fan of Derek Jeter. Jeter didn't even care about the ball. The world deosn't benefit because Jeter or the Yankees have the ball.

What happens when this kid's Mom or Dad gets sick and the hospital bills mount. He could have used that 500K to save their lives. What happens when this kid has children of his own. Now he gets to tell them to pay for their own college or bankrupt themselves with loans. He could have paid for their college education with this money.

What happens when his girlfriend becomes his wife and they have a child....and he has to live with his parents because he is selling sell phones? The kid could have lived in a house of his own.

What happens when he has a child with special needs, and they have to rely on the government just to get by?

You are a disgrace if you don't see the damage this kid did to his family. In all other cases you listed, those who are doing the damage at least have their own self-interests at heart, and in their minds they will be better off.

NOBODY is better off now that this kid gave the ball back, but everyone he cares about will live a quality of life that is a lot worse than it could have been.

The kid could have taken 10 random underpriviliged high school students and paid for all of their college education, but he gave the ball back.

You are pathetic. What he did was one of the all-time worst decisions in ever. Now get a job you loser.

Holy cripes are you stupid.

I mean, not just stupid. Really stupid.

With that limited skull of yours, you have somehow concluded that because the kid gave a baseball back that potentially could have been worth 500K---that is somehow the worst ethical decision in the history of mankind?

I will go slowly for you. The ONLY one potentially harmed in this kid's decision is him and his immediate family. A genocidal madman---say, Adolf Hitler-----murdered millions of people----because of their faith. His decision cost the lives of millions of people, and yet---you somehow think a kid who gave up millions of dollars for his family is somehow more ethically challenged.

I have a question for you Sherlock.

Do tell, Pat Tillman walked away from a million dollar NFL career to be killed in Afghanistan.....where does his decision rank?

How about Len Bias? He o'd without ever making a single dime of NBA money---we are talking millions upon millions----and his family never saw a dime of it----

Or, Brian Taylor. The Yankees #1 draft pick in the 1990's who blew out his arm in a bar fight and never got to see a dime.

Or how about Ricky Williams? He lost 4 million in NFL salary alone because of his enjoyment of weed.

The list goes on and on------and yet you single out this kid.

I can't wait for your well thought-out response.

By the way. I do want to offer congrats to you. You have posted the dumbest thread in the history of SBR, and, that took an awful lot of skill considering the morons who have graced us.

[HoulihansTX]

By the way. I do want offer congrats to you. You have posted the dumbest thread in the history of SBR, and, that took an awful lot of skill considering the morons who have graced us.

His use of superlative, and thus morph into hyperbole is indefensible. Nevertheless his thread being the dumbest in SBR history is still a huge underdog. Go to the newbie forum. Somebody asked what do you do once you run out of money to gamble... stupidity ensues.

[alling]

yea not everyone is greedy like derek jeter one of the most overpaid players in sports

[BewareOf5Dimes]

This is why you are all broke losers and you WILL donate your money to sportsbooks year after year after year. This kid detroys the future of his own family and you guys think it is great. Of course, that is what you losers do on a daily basis....lol.

So, you are saying that it is fine that someone has 500K in the bank, and is willing to take on six figures in debt, live with his parents, and sell cell phones for a decade, and then make his future children pay for their own college or take out huge loans, all because he wants to buy Derek Jeter a baseball at auction.

That is really what he has done here. It is no different than him running out and bankrupting himself and buying this ball at an auction and giving it to a billion dollar organization that is already makings millions of this event.

Once that ball lands in his hands, it is his asset, and he is debt free for life, and he can pay for his parents to enjoy their later years if he wants. But this jackass thinks it is more important that Derek Jeter, who is worth over 100 million, and the Yankees, one of the most valuable franchises on earth, is better off having the ball than him. You guys must be the most clueless bunch of degenerate clowns I have ever seen. You are as pathetic as it gets on planet earth if you don't see the problem with what he did.

Broke retards.

[biggamer3]

This kid makes all us new Yorkers look stupid

[BigDan]

Where will all the self-righteous assholes who are giving this nit-wit "atta boys" gonna be when he living in a van down by the river? Hope those high fives keep him worm at night cause anyone this stupid will surely be homeless at some point.

[milwaukee mike]

how can "doing the right thing" mean giving one of the richest men on the planet your entire net worth?

why don't you just give jeter your car/house/etc if you think that is doing the right thing?
once that baseball left the playing field it was the property of whoever caught it, plain and simple.

jeter (and anyone else who was given a milestone ball for peanuts) is probably lighting cigars with burning $100 bills in his maserati while laughing hysterically at this guy's stupidity.

[HauntingTheHoly]

I've been inspired by this boy. He did the right thing. He is a man.

I just finished organizing my ebay store. All of my belongings, including my Michael Jordan PSA 10 rookie card, are going up for auction and all proceeds will be given to the Icon - Derek Jeter. God Bless him.

[balls2wall]

The "expert" on the radio this morning was saying it was looking like the ball is going to be worth in the 200k range


regardless of what it ends up being worth, I would have gotten every dime possible for it


If Jeter or the yankees wanted it bad enough they have the $$ to pay what it is worth

[Affirmed3]

Might be retarded what he did but far from worst decision ever

[dg84]

Yeah, this kids decision from an ethical standpoint ranks right up there with the Bernie Madoff scheme, Hitler's extermination of the Jews & Slavery! If you really believe what he did can be considered immoral then i'd hate to hear what your views are on adultery, assisted suicide & gay marriage!

[BigDan]

Yeah, this kids decision from an ethical standpoint ranks right up there with the Bernie Madoff scheme, Hitler's extermination of the Jews & Slavery! If you really believe what he did can be considered immoral then i'd hate to hear what your views are on adultery, assisted suicide & gay marriage!

Id say ignorant is a much better word to use than immoral. personally dont think it was morally right or wrong, just stupid.

[dg84]

First of all, a lot of people here are assuming an awful lot about this kids life & that of his parents. Nobody here knows what's going to happen to him. Maybe he has a useful degree from a great school & will eventually make $200,000 a year & maybe his parents are fairly well off financially. No matter which side of this debate your on though, one thing is clear. 5dimes is one hell of an ignorant guy that filled in the blanks of this kids life & that of his family to fit his own warped philosophy on this matter. Would i have given the ball back? No. But that's because i got laid off 2 years ago, just graduated after going back to school & i'm 20 short years from retirement age. But i wouldn't call someone who did or others who admire him idiots, losers or immoral. Do you even know the meaning of the word 5dimes?

[HoulihansTX]

Kid went from the outhouse to the outhouse.

[BigDan]

like i said in the 1st thread about this, even if i was set for life id sooner sell it and give it to charity than give it to that douche for free. that just me tho, im still pretty sure at some point the kid will regret it. either way not my problem and really have a hard time seeing how morals or ethics play any part in it at all from either side of the scale. IMHO He didnt give it away because of sound moral values like some want me to believe, he did it cause he was a puppy dog fan. and if he kept it wouldnt have been anything immoral about it either as it was rightfully his.

[chantrain]

This kid gave away a lot of money, but there are lots of poeple who make terrible decisions. What he did was almost immoral, though. I mean, the moment it is determined that he is the one who rightly came up with the ball, he probably has a true net worth of close to half a million dollars. It could actually be more than that.

So, he essentially throws away the security that 500K brings, and he was willing to do that because he is a Yankee/Jeter fan. To think that this guy lives with his parents and could have bought himself a house and never had a mortgage or rent payment the rest of his life is really sad and sickening. His Dad needed to step in there.

It is as if he had 500K in the bank and wrote a check to Derek Jeter in order to shake his hand. The kid gave away half a million dollars for that. That is truly horrific.

It was the wrong thing to do on so many levels. If he wanted to be a super hero he could have sold the ball and given it to the wife and child of that fella that died falling out of the stands at the Ranger game the other day. Now that is an ethical case worth considering, and you could hold your head high if you had what it takes to do that.

As it is, he was briefly worth 500K or so, and could have been debt free for pretty much life. He essentially bankrupted his family by giving his only asset on earth to a guy who is worth over 100 million. Jeter had no rights to the ball, nor an expectation of such generosity. The trade-off is so sickening. Jeter suffers no moral harm or loss if the kid keeps the ball and sells it. It is not like the kid saved his life by donating a kidney to save his favorite player.

This kid throws his future away for nothing. It would be like donating 500K to the US Government, if that 500K was all you had to your name. You just aren't creating a worthwhile benefit on the other side, but you are destroying your own finances.

The world is not a better place if this kid gives the ball back like he did. He simply blew it, and everyone around him should be ashamed for not stepping in and saving him from himself. Imagine this guy cashing his next paycheck and clearing like $360. He basically gave away between 1K and 2K per month for the rest of his life. 500K earning just 2 percent over his lifetime gets him close to 1K per month without touching the principal.

This is brutal what he did. Imagine if someone else had caught the ball and auctioned it off. And some 23 year old kid, who just inherited 500K from an uncle he never new he had, bankrupts himself and purchases the ball at auction so he can give it to Derek Jeter as a present. All the while, working the next decade selling cell phones and being burdened by six figures of student loan debt, while living with his parents. This is what this kid really did.

I think you're 100% right

[evo34]

This is why you are all broke losers and you WILL donate your money to sportsbooks year after year after year. This kid detroys the future of his own family and you guys think it is great. Of course, that is what you losers do on a daily basis....lol. So, you are saying that it is fine that someone has 500K in the bank, and is willing to take on six figures in debt, live with his parents, and sell cell phones for a decade, and then make his future children pay for their own college or take out huge loans, all because he wants to buy Derek Jeter a baseball at auction. That is really what he has done here. It is no different than him running out and bankrupting himself and buying this ball at an auction and giving it to a billion dollar organization that is already makings millions of this event. Once that ball lands in his hands, it is his asset, and he is debt free for life, and he can pay for his parents to enjoy their later years if he wants. But this jackass thinks it is more important that Derek Jeter, who is worth over 100 million, and the Yankees, one of the most valuable franchises on earth, is better off having the ball than him. You guys must be the most clueless bunch of degenerate clowns I have ever seen. You are as pathetic as it gets on planet earth if you don't see the problem with what he did. Broke retards.

1) Taking a pot shot on a typo (Watney) and bitching and moaning about it being denied for two months.
2) Catching a home run and not whoring yourself out for every last dime.

Apparently #1 is cool, but #2 is immoral? Whatever. I happen to find #1 pretty hilarious. A grown man shedding all remaining pride in a desperate attempt to get an extra hundred bucks. And then getting summarily bent over. And over again.

[MC PICKS]

Really bad decision to make from someone who had 100k in school loans to pay off, couldn have gotten rid of that debt and still had som eleft over, agree really stupid on his part.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

It is not moral to throw away your family's future in order to shake Derek Jeter's hand. That is what you punks don't get. This guy will have kids at some point and they might not be able to afford college. He has his own 100K plus in student loans he owes on.

It is no different than this guy emptying out his kid's college fun in order to buy Derek Jeter's Home Run ball at auction, so that he can give it to Jeter and shake his hand. That is what he did. Same exact result.

It is far more immoral to destroy the ones you love and throw away their future in order to suck up to Derek Jeter, than it is to scam other scammers like Bernie Madoff did. You guys don't get it. The Madoff losers all thought that Bernie was cheating the system and front-running trades. They wanted in on it. It was too good to be true, and they wanted more and more.

What this guy did was FAR FAR worse than what Bernie Madoff did. You guys have no clue, as usual.

For the Watney comment. 5Dimes is in the business of taking money off of players. They take players from the United States and they know that is illegal. I am in the business of taking money off of sportsbooks. They put up the line. I bet. So, we are playing the exact same game. For you to even suggest that betting Watney in last year's PGA is immoral means that you should be monkey stomped in from of your pitiful family. You are the king of losers if you think that betting a golf linethat is favorable is immoral....lol.

This guy that caught the ball could have helped out his whole family for a long time. Instead he chose to help out a billion dollar organization and a 100 million dollar man. You ******* clowns still don't get it!

[8ArIvd5]

depending on where the suites are located, stub hub has yankee suite tickets against the A's on 7/22 going from 278 to 1299. I'm guessing he could get 2k/ game.

not to mention who needs a few signed balls and bats? sell those and keep 1 of each.

[eberetta1]

You do not have to sell me on how foolish this was. His thinking is like a rich person, not a poor person's mentality. If his Dad is already worth 10 million and this boy is an only child, then he has no need for more money because he will inherit Daddy's wealth. Kid was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Let him be.

Children do not realise the value of money. I know my one brother always grabbed pennies from my Dad's hand and left the dimes and quarters alone. Same in this situation. He would rather sell thousands of phones for a $15 profit for the next 25 years in his life and not make as much selling one ball for minimum $250,000. If he needed $250,000, hell, Daddy is good for it.

To most people this would be a life changing moment. He won a lottery ticket and gave it away. At least, share it among loved ones or the family.

[Glitch]

i think what was immoral was multi-millionaire jeter not stepping up and giving the kid something better than half a seasons worth of season tickets. he shoulda gave him a large chunk of change.

but i do think this whole issue is being blown out of proportion.

[BigDan]

5d,
not sure who you are referring to as im basically on your side here. i do think it is a stretch to bring morals into the picture from either side tho. I mean does he have a family to destroy? if his parents were sitting around waiting for him to catch Jeter's ball then they were already fukked up. far as i know he doesnt have kids, and prob should never breed anyway. I cant agree enough how stupidly ridiculous i find what he did, but morally wrong? i havnt appreciated it once when some jackoff tried to play the morals card saying what he did was right so im not trying to play that same card that i dont feel is really appropriate to the discussion. i seriously question his IQ and really dont believe that the self-righteous that are patting him on the back would have did the same thing, if they would id question their intelligence as well. nothing more nothing less.

[importmoon]

It is not moral to throw away your family's future in order to shake Derek Jeter's hand. That is what you punks don't get. This guy will have kids at some point and they might not be able to afford college. He has his own 100K plus in student loans he owes on.

It is no different than this guy emptying out his kid's college fun in order to buy Derek Jeter's Home Run ball at auction, so that he can give it to Jeter and shake his hand. That is what he did. Same exact result.

It is far more immoral to destroy the ones you love and throw away their future in order to suck up to Derek Jeter, than it is to scam other scammers like Bernie Madoff did. You guys don't get it. The Madoff losers all thought that Bernie was cheating the system and front-running trades. They wanted in on it. It was too good to be true, and they wanted more and more.

What this guy did was FAR FAR worse than what Bernie Madoff did. You guys have no clue, as usual.

For the Watney comment. 5Dimes is in the business of taking money off of players. They take players from the United States and they know that is illegal. I am in the business of taking money off of sportsbooks. They put up the line. I bet. So, we are playing the exact same game. For you to even suggest that betting Watney in last year's PGA is immoral means that you should be monkey stomped in from of your pitiful family. You are the king of losers if you think that betting a golf linethat is favorable is immoral....lol.

This guy that caught the ball could have helped out his whole family for a long time. Instead he chose to help out a billion dollar organization and a 100 million dollar man. You ******* clowns still don't get it!

you r 100% right forget about the value of the ball 100k 25k 250k 1million it's not the point matter of the fact is he owes big time he's not trump or bill gates he need the money more than jeter that's what it counts,and besides if he kept the ball and auction the damn thing nobody will bitch about it.last but not least I think bernie madoff is a genius people who falls for it because of GREED....nobody to blame I rest my case~~~~

[BarkingToad]

He is not a gambling addict like us

Really? Someone who owes over 100k in student loans with a near useless degree (I thought I heard it was in like Poly-sci or something similar) and a dead end job at Verizon and said he has friends and family he would go to to pay off any potential tax bill sounds like a huge gambler to me. With maybe the exception of 1 or 2 members, nobody at SBR is that big a gambler.

[BarkingToad]

Adande on Rome (Stephen A Smith in his place) yesterday made some really fantastic points about how retarded this move was. His points were all around the fact that baseball and the New York Yankees are making huge money off of this accomplishment.
"sucker move. You know the yankees and mlb are going to profit off of this as much as they can. There's a Derek Jeter 3,000 hit watch out selling for $550 a pop, $2.5 million in jeter related sales since the hit, fans paid $65 a seat in the OUTFIELD just to see the hit..so you know baseball is gonna get theirs.. so the fan should get his. Fan said Jeter worked hard for those hits, didn't your girlfriend work hard to buy you that ticket?! didn't your parents work hard...?! Hopefully Jeter will step up and do the right thing here and kick that kid some of the revenue this generates...""

I initially thought it was kinda nice what the kid did and all of the hate-Jeter posts made me even more on that side, but this citation sways me.
Jeter doing nothing would surely embody the Yankee way, right?

Adande was the only reporter with any balls to say this. The other liars want to project a good image of themselves to the public and have easy access interviews to the teams. Jeter should give the guy $100k, it would still be a discount and the guy wouldn't have to work 15-20 years at Verizon to pay off his debt. Why isn't Jeter doing the "right thing"?