Hillary as VEEP? No, No, No. NO WAY!

[ritehook]

Obama is being pressured by some to do it.

He'd be mad if he did. (1)She has as many negs as he does among certain classes of voters. While many will never vote for a black, a very large number would never vote for a woman, and especially THIS woman. She excites opposition, he doesn't need her.

(2) The majority of her supporters wil end up voting for Obama anyway. Those now famous "white working class Democrats" may also, and those who don't are more likley to stay home in Nov than to invite in four more years of Bushism.

(3) Obama sure as hell does NOT NEED Hil and Bill skulking around the White House, taking the spotlight off a Pres Obama.

The Secret Service is surely worried that some Southern hater will take a shot at a Pres Obama. If Hill was Veep they'd have to be equally concerned that the shot would come from behind.

So, no Veep. He pays off most of her campaign debt and maybe secretly promises to make her Secretary of State.

[ritehook]

Tho Hil concedes soon, she is still available.

The Dem convention isn't until late August. And Obama is NOT the Dem nominee until he is so named at the convetion.

I am convinced that Hil pushed her campaign to the end, to get a huge popular vote, in expection of a Summer Surpise, where the convention will turn to her as a saviour.

As CP says . . . . Later

[AgainstAllOdds]

If has come to my attention that you know absolutly nothing about politics. If Obama doesnt choose her, he doesnt have a shot at winning. Simple.

[jjgold]

If has come to my attention that you know absolutly nothing about politics. If Obama doesnt choose her, he doesnt have a shot at winning. Simple.

100% correct

[ritehook]

If has come to my attention that you know absolutly nothing about politics. If Obama doesnt choose her, he doesnt have a shot at winning. Simple.

He would probably still win if he does, Bush having sown the disastrous situations we see both home and abroad.

But he would have a much harder time if he did.

He will pick a while male, likely from a Southern or Midwestern state. One who is very likely "pro gun."

If he is dumb enough to go for Hil I'll come back to acknowledge I was wrong.

If he doesn't, I'll come back and acknowledge I was right!!!

[ritehook]

Tho I still suspect a backroom deal where Hillary is promised Sec of State.

If Obama wins, she would get a very high profile position, in the public eye constantly. VG for another run 8 years from now, when she'd still be 4 years younger than McCain is now.

[ritehook]

Anyone know of any book or exchange that has a number up on whether or no Hill gets the VP nom?

Be worth a dollar or two or three to me get down on the NO.

[BrentCrude]

I just can't believe how people in this country can vote for or believe that this lying bitch of a phoney bologna,plastic banana woman can make their life better.If her and Ron Paul had a sit down no talking over each other airing of the nations problems and solutions to fixing them,he would make her look like a guy with a 1 inch ding a ling trying to become a porn star.She's free market impotent!

When the day comes where she is going to the great beyond,she will have a revelation that her whole life was wasted being a fake and she will regret it.

[SPECULATOR 13]

Brent by the time Karl Rove is done with Obama and that ugly-ass mean looking nappy headed SOW his shack-up with and that he as to quit the campaign in disgrace, Mrs Clinton will have to pick up his fumble and run with it.
The right wing can't do nothing to her,
for 8 yrs back in the 90's they spend $140 millions trying to come with all sorts of non-sense but not only did she and Wild Bill win but they got re-elected in a land slide.They can't touch her,if they do ,they will make fools of themselves by re-ashing the same old sh*t.

[Ganchrow]

Anyone know of any book or exchange that has a number up on whether or no Hill gets the VP nom?

Be worth a dollar or two or three to me get down on the NO.

You can currently get the Hillary NO for VP on Matchbook for -600 before commission.

YES at +500.

[NickPappagiorgio]

If Obama doesnt choose her, he doesnt have a shot at winning. Simple.

Its kinda funny, if you believed everyone before the primaries, Obama had no shot of beating Clinton for the nomination either. Dont be so sure that Obama needs Clinton, the man knows how to campaign and will gain tons of points when he has televised debates with McCain. It will be very similar to the Kennedy/Nixon debates, one younger well spoken and one older not so well spoken.

[Ganchrow]

If Obama doesnt choose her, he doesnt have a shot at winning. Simple.

Right or wrong, the market appears to strongly disagrees with this assessment.

[BuddyBear]

They need to make sure to get the "hillary backer"...rural white uneducated voters (i.e. white trash) who are lukewarm about supporting a black man

Obama wins in a landslide....he'll take pretty much all the states except the southern ones. I expect him to win 40 of the 50 states. Bump this thread up when the election is over.....

[Bill Dozer]

Its kinda funny, if you believed everyone before the primaries, Obama had no shot of beating Clinton for the nomination either. Dont be so sure that Obama needs Clinton, the man knows how to campaign and will gain tons of points when he has televised debates with McCain. It will be very similar to the Kennedy/Nixon debates, one younger well spoken and one older not so well spoken.

I agree with you. The GOP debates were handed to him by moderators and their silly questions. He'll have to compete off his homecourt.

If he takes Clinton on he'll transfer support from loyals to weaker states...but Clinton in your ear for 8 years??

[SlickFazzer]

Boys I hate politics. My motto is simple, protect the country, lower my taxes, stimulate the economy, educate the kids, and leave me the hell alone.

[mooseboy84]

Obama would be a fool to make clinton a VP, and as someone mentioned earlier, I would be scared as hell with Hillary as a VP. She is definately capable of pulling the trigger.

I view Hillarly like a crazy woman who wants a baby. Every few years, youll hear in the news of a woman who kills a 8 month pregnant woman and cuts out the baby, so she can have a baby. Hillarly Clinton has the mentality of one of those women.

I see her doing anything possible to get this election, and if an "accident" or mishap were to happen with air force one when obama is president, im sure Clinton wouldnt be to sad about it.


Obama does not need Clinton in any capacity. People keep talking about the white working class vote she got, but who the hell voted for him? All those people in Iowa, Montana, Idaho etc... Even though the democratic vote is smaller in those states, shockingly, if you look at the states Obama won, he won some of the whitest states in this country with a vew low % of minority voters, and not only did he win, he beat Clinton handidly in most of those states.

I all but guarntee you, Hillary Clinton is radioactive. He does not need to be anywhere around her. For every person Clinton could potentially attract, she will most DEFINATELY have at least 1 anti vote.

For any of those who think Clinton can help Obama they just need to take a look at recent history. A year ago to the day, no one would have expected Obama to be in this position. Hillary Clinton was the presumptive democratic nominee. Starting back in January, people in Iowa took a chance on Obama and his message of change, because they KNEW what Hillary Clinton was and represented, and they DIDNT WANT HER.

[aszzzbrokerman]

I know of plenty of jewish democrats who say they are going to vote for McCain instead of getting behind Obama.

I'm in the middle politically and there is no way I'm letting these dumbass republicans have a 12 year run. Im voting on stop the bleeding.

Do I hate HIllary Clinton? Yes!!! Do I think Obama is going to get in the white house and make good on his promise of change? NO!!! Am I voting Democrat no matter what this year? Yes!!! Well, if he makes her veep I might not. She is fuggin T.O of politics man. She would tear that team apart.

Obama needs to pick a white southerner with slightly right leaning politics. Then he would be practicing what he's preaching about bringing two sides together. I don't know who this guy is but Obama needs to find him.

[ritehook]

You can currently get the Hillary NO for VP on Matchbook for -600 before commission.

YES at +500.

Thanks ganch

-600 Thought it might be -400. But so CERTAIN am I that Hill will NOT be on the ticket that I will re-up at Match and stick a least a nickel on that.

[ritehook]

Obama would be a fool to make clinton a VP, and as someone mentioned earlier, I would be scared as hell with Hillary as a VP. She is definately capable of pulling the trigger.

I view Hillarly like a crazy woman who wants a baby. Every few years, youll hear in the news of a woman who kills a 8 month pregnant woman and cuts out the baby, so she can have a baby. Hillarly Clinton has the mentality of one of those women.

I see her doing anything possible to get this election, and if an "accident" or mishap were to happen with air force one when obama is president, im sure Clinton wouldnt be to sad about it.


Obama does not need Clinton in any capacity. People keep talking about the white working class vote she got, but who the hell voted for him? All those people in Iowa, Montana, Idaho etc... Even though the democratic vote is smaller in those states, shockingly, if you look at the states Obama won, he won some of the whitest states in this country with a vew low % of minority voters, and not only did he win, he beat Clinton handidly in most of those states.

I all but guarntee you, Hillary Clinton is radioactive. He does not need to be anywhere around her. For every person Clinton could potentially attract, she will most DEFINATELY have at least 1 anti vote.

For any of those who think Clinton can help Obama they just need to take a look at recent history. A year ago to the day, no one would have expected Obama to be in this position. Hillary Clinton was the presumptive democratic nominee. Starting back in January, people in Iowa took a chance on Obama and his message of change, because they KNEW what Hillary Clinton was and represented, and they DIDNT WANT HER.

100% correct analysis, moose. Come back to post on more polit threads

[ritehook]

Obama needs to pick a white southerner with slightly right leaning politics. Then he would be practicing what he's preaching about bringing two sides together. I don't know who this guy is but Obama needs to find him.


And he will find him, azz.

One guy they are talking to is, damn whats his name, the junior senator from Virginia, who whipped George Allen's kid two years ago.

Ex Secy of the Navy, war hero, son also in Iraq altho dad opposed that mad war, novelist. Terrific guy for the Veep.
Cripes, what a change these two would be from that foul mess called Bush/Cheney.

Tho as another poster said, I don't expect a whole lot to change. Obama is more and more caving to the Hotel Lobby, and no president can get more than a small handful of positive things done. (Easist thing for any prez to to, tho, is to take a country into war -very very hard once done to get the hell out).

[ritehook]

A Pres Obama's first task is to start almost immediately drawing down troops from Iraq. Until complete withdrawal,no residual troops for "training," Iraq is NOT our colony.

Next is to function as a true HONEST broker in the Israel/Palestinian disputes. The appoach will never be wholly unbiased (until Arabs stateside start organinzing a potent Theatre Lobby) but the heavy bias exhibtied by the Bush regime has to stop.

And he has to open up serious talks with countries like Iran, which he has promised to do,

[SBR Lou]

She would be a thorn in his side the entire time, I don't think McCain will take it anyway.

[Wheell]

ritehook: You are thinking of Webb.

There are a lot of solid options for Obama. Clinton has chosen to get what she can through force rather than negotiating long ago when Obama would have saved himself a month or two of battling her. She actually has less leverage now than she had before.

If Obama chooses her it would be due to the fact he feels she gives him the best chance to win. The choice of veep is due to one reason only: how much they help the top of the ticket.

[purecarnagge]

Clinton got most of the votes Obama is struggling to get. White/women, white men. Mainly middle class.

Clinton has clout in washington. Obama is a JR senator that will struggle to pass legislation without her. Clinton makes alot of sense for him.

[ms61853]

Hussein Obama has a hell of a lot of issues. Any white person stupid enough to vote for him would probably be stupid enough to vote Mugabe for President.

[Dark Horse]

According to Intrade Jim Webb has the best shot at the Dem VP. Rounding out top three are Clinton and Richardson.

[purecarnagge]

According to Intrade Jim Webb has the best shot at the Dem VP. Rounding out top three are Clinton and Richardson.

Richardson faded quickly in the primaries... I would think Clinton.

As much as people hate/love the two. They agree on most of the issues, and they only difference is not the issues they want to address, but how they want to go about doing it. They would both agree that either one's plans is a step in the right direction, while not ideal (why they have there own plans). Clinton will give Obama the backbone to get stuff done in washington.

Clinton is one of the best lawyers in the country and her husband is a very influencial former president.

I will be suprised to see Clinton not on the ticket.

[jjgold]

I hope she is on, I did not know she was a good lawyer

[Dark Horse]

He'll probably give her an important job, but not the VP. That would steal too much of his thunder. He inspires people with his oratorical skills, and in debates will wipe the floor with McCain, who by now sounds like a kind, half-retarded granny.

[jjgold]

I wonder what type of job she will get?

[Cappy]

Right now we have the most active vice president in history, which is not that active

[Cappy]

I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but VP is sort of a superfluous position, which she has proven she can excel at (pun intended)

[Cappy]

there's no reason to get tied up in knots or take any support from Obama;s campaign about

[jjgold]

Who is VP going to be?

[Sinister Cat]

VA Governor Tim Kaine is a fairly heavy favorite (high-30s) for the demo nomination on intrade right now.