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  • specul8
    SBR Rookie
    • 06-01-08
    • 2

    #1
    Sports Interaction Debacle
    I unwittingly (ie: stupidly) deposited $500 into a Sports Interaction account in January of 2007 solely for the purpose of betting on tennis. It was the most hellish, irritating, and time-consuming experience I've had with any Internet website (yeah yeah, I know, I should have looked for the SBR site first).

    Anyway I want to briefly describe my adventure to anyone who cares to listen as a way to ward off any new 'adventurers' from that company and to get some sort of recompense (ie: revenge) for the trouble they put me through. Here's a list of all my gripes by date:

    1-2007: Joined SI, deposited $500, attempted to place a max $220 bet per their posted rules, but was rejected!; phone call to office found out that I was limited to only $110 (in direct conflict with their posted limit); they said they would get back to me about the reason for this discrepancy but never did; so I just bet $110 (and lost the bet).

    6-2007: I tried to bet on tennis again but suddenly it wouldn't allow me to wager!; phone call to office informed me I needed to send them ID & SS#!! Whaaaat?!? I would have none of that so I merely attempted to withdraw my funds. No way -> They wanted ID and SS# crap for withdrawal purposes too! I was irate: Why in the world do I need to give them personal information just to close an account?! I informed the supervisor that: 1. They never asked me for this information before I registered and made my deposit. 2. They accepted my initial wager back in January without stopping me. 3. I was merely attempting to receive payment for an amount LESS THAN I originally deposited so couldn't possibly be gaining anything from this action. 4. If they were afraid of "fraud" then they could merely return the deposit back to the original credit card it came from, no harm on foul. NOT! They insisted on conforming to their illogical rules (ie: they hoped I would leave my $ with them forever); what could I do? - they were in a foreign country far away, so I grudginly complied.

    After dozens of emails, delays, and FAXes complete with their annoying requests to "resend due to illegibility etc" BS, I finally got the ok to withdraw my funds; but they, of course, charged me a 'fee' to withdraw.

    11-2007: I finally received a check payable to a Canadian bank!; since my bank was U.S., my bank had to charge me a 'fee' to collect on this foreign check!

    12-2007: After several weeks of delay, the check bounces! ;SI made some excuse about a closed account, etc (ie: more BS). So do they send me another check in the mail? NOT! They quietly redeposit the funds back into my SI account!!! AND expect me to pay another withdrawal 'fee' to get it out! Is that 'withdrawal pains' or what?; more phone calls, emails, delays later, I convince them to send me another check (minus the 'fee').

    3-2008: They sent me a new check to exactly the same address as the previous but suddenly I don't get it!; another phone call reveals that they "cannot mail to a PO Box". Oh, right, but before it was ok? (ie: more BS); more phone calls, emails, delays later I convince them to send me another check to the PO Box.

    4-2008: I received the new check (payable to another Canadian bank) and my account gets credited 3 weeks later.

    Net Result: A simple transaction that should have taken 1 minute has taken a total of 10months of emails, phone calls, delays, and bank trips and months of aggravation, humiliation, and stress. Is this their idea of being a good 'Sport'?

    I have copies of all my emails and the bounced check that can document the validity of my tale for anybody interested.

    I hope this story will convince any newbies from participating with this company and to 'promote' SI from a 'D' to an 'F' rating.
  • SSLP
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 02-29-08
    • 5232

    #2
    This is by far one of the sadest scenarios ive heard , I am sorry for your hassle.

    I think they should be blacklisted
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    • Nicky Santoro
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 04-08-08
      • 16103

      #3
      and that is why i dont play with them today.. i went through the exact same thing.. some things never change. i was limited to 50 bucks a game after my 2nd bet. what a nightmare this place was.
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      • SSLP
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 02-29-08
        • 5232

        #4
        Nicky go take care of these guys
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        • compaqDikk
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-08-05
          • 5699

          #5
          i would rather waste 7 years of my life cleaning up my credit report due to ID theft then post up with these guys.
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          • donjuan
            SBR MVP
            • 08-29-07
            • 3993

            #6
            They wanted ID and SS# crap for withdrawal purposes too! I was irate
            Were you irate because you didn't read their withdrawal policy prior to depositing or what?


            1-2007: Joined SI, deposited $500, attempted to place a max $220 bet per their posted rules, but was rejected!; phone call to office found out that I was limited to only $110 (in direct conflict with their posted limit); they said they would get back to me about the reason for this discrepancy but never did; so I just bet $110 (and lost the bet).
            They may have changed it since your original bet but the current posted limit on tennis at SIA is $110. The limit was $110 when I played there as well.
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            • Francis Sollozzo
              SBR MVP
              • 11-15-07
              • 2381

              #7
              damn , SIA is just screwy , some folks have no problems with them yet many have to put up with this BS
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              • Nicky Santoro
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 04-08-08
                • 16103

                #8
                i already did sslp.. i was in montreal a few summers ago and decided to go visit SIA.. true story..

                i went inside the office to speak to the supervisor, and what i saw, i wiill never forget.

                i swear to GOD, it must have been an office about the size of my bedroom, 1904 style carpets, old ugly walls, with 3 girls and 1 kid on the phone sitting in a quiet room. and 1 lady in charge of the 12 x 12 foot room..

                imagine that, only 4 clerks.. i expected a big massive office seeing it was SIA..

                i am still traumatized by that office. Talk about a hole.. The place looked so run down, you have no idea. Offices are nicer in the slummiest town in the USA.
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                • SSLP
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-29-08
                  • 5232

                  #9
                  wow Nicky, were they doing drugs?

                  I bet ya they were doing the dope and laughing and cutting peoples wager limits.

                  SIA is ran by junkies and hippies I knew it
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                  • bigboydan
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 55420

                    #10
                    Sounds like one brutal experience you had with them sir.

                    I believe nowadays SIA is requiring everyone to send there info upfront before even letting the player place a bet. They claim that should avoid these types of problems down the road.
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                    • tomcowley
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-01-07
                      • 1129

                      #11
                      Anybody else have an issue with one of the canadian SIA checks bouncing recently?
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                      • citlec
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 03-08-08
                        • 557

                        #12
                        I opened account with these and placed over 50 bets within 1 week on the end of season soccer games. After winning most of them i withdrew my balance cause my limits was poor. Within 5 minutes of withdrawing my very high balance i was emailed to say send me your ID because you have made a withdrawal. Fair enough so i did. 3 weeks later im still waiting for the funds to go into my moneybookers account.
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                        • SSLP
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 02-29-08
                          • 5232

                          #13
                          3 week moneybooker cashouts

                          unreal
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                          • 20Four7
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 04-08-07
                            • 6703

                            #14
                            While I've been shown the door from them, I did get all my money and yes I had to provide ID. Their posted limit for tennis was $110 when I played there. Moneybookers never took more than 72 hours to show up.

                            They actually asked for ID after 3 days of betting. I complied. I never had any issues with them until they e mailed me during one withdrawal and told me I had won to much for a recreational account and was now limited. I continued to play with them but I couldn't function within the limits and withdrew my balance. That final withdrawal for my account balance took 24 hours to moneybookers.
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                            • bigboydan
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 08-10-05
                              • 55420

                              #15
                              Originally posted by citlec
                              I opened account with these and placed over 50 bets within 1 week on the end of season soccer games. After winning most of them i withdrew my balance cause my limits was poor. Within 5 minutes of withdrawing my very high balance i was emailed to say send me your ID because you have made a withdrawal. Fair enough so i did. 3 weeks later im still waiting for the funds to go into my moneybookers account.
                              3 weeks is a bit excessive if you sent your info into them. If you need some assistance, please feel free to fill out a complaint form and one of us will inquire on your behalf.
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                              • tomcowley
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-01-07
                                • 1129

                                #16
                                I got the same old account closed due to excessive winnings notice, and I've received my first set of checks- just hoping they don't bounce. The second set should be coming any time now.

                                I'll bet it's some kind of communication issue with your MB withdrawal. Either they want more ID or they just forgot about your email. Write them and see what's up.
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                                • specul8
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 06-01-08
                                  • 2

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by donjuan
                                  Were you irate because you didn't read their withdrawal policy prior to depositing or what?



                                  They may have changed it since your original bet but the current posted limit on tennis at SIA is $110. The limit was $110 when I played there as well.
                                  I would like to make a slight correction: SI did not ask for an SS#, they asked for copies of my ID + debit card + bank statement + registration form. Still, these are all very personal and dangerous to give to any unknown entity. Part of the value of doing business online is anonymity and privacy - SI defeats this with their anal post-facto 'security' policies. Bodog, on the other hand lets me bet freely unencumbered without such tedium and exposure.

                                  I reviewed the site policies extensively before I joined SI and did not see any reference to such analism NOR any limitation on tennis bets other than the "all other bets shall be limited to $220" clause - maybe they changed it after I complained . Keep in mind that some tennis bets had $220 limits but others didn't - SI failed to explain to me why. SI also suffered from a glaring defect in that they failed to post the betting limits at the specific event betting page itself (as Bodog does) which forces patrons to go digging through policy pages everytime to search for this information.

                                  Thanks for all your condolences.
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                                  • tomcowley
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 10-01-07
                                    • 1129

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by specul8
                                    I would like to make a slight correction: SI did not ask for an SS#, they asked for copies of my ID + debit card + bank statement + registration form. Still, these are all very personal and dangerous to give to any unknown entity. Part of the value of doing business online is anonymity and privacy - SI defeats this with their anal post-facto 'security' policies. Bodog, on the other hand lets me bet freely unencumbered without such tedium and exposure.
                                    This is industry standard right now. If you deposit with a CC/DC, you send in a copy. You send your ID. You send proof of address (utility statement is easier). Only the last one is really open for discussion, and I've heard of it happening at A-rated books as well. I've done withdrawals at 7 B+ or better books this year, and every one of them wanted my ID, and if I had deposited via CC, a copy of my CC as well.

                                    If you can't see why accepting CC deposits and giving instant payouts with no identity verification is a quick recipe for going broke, well... think about it some more.

                                    Originally posted by specul8
                                    I reviewed the site policies extensively before I joined SI and did not see any reference to such analism NOR any limitation on tennis bets other than the "all other bets shall be limited to $220" clause - maybe they changed it after I complained . Keep in mind that some tennis bets had $220 limits but others didn't - SI failed to explain to me why. SI also suffered from a glaring defect in that they failed to post the betting limits at the specific event betting page itself (as Bodog does) which forces patrons to go digging through policy pages everytime to search for this information.
                                    Bet what you want to bet. If it gets rejected, you get told the max, and it takes less than 5 seconds to fix. It's not rocket science, and it doesn't require any trips to policy pages- which would be useless for any particular match anyway if some limits are 220 and some are 110.

                                    SIA isn't a perfect book, but your complaints- other than the bounced check- are just whining over the state of online gambling in general, not anything particular to SIA.
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                                    • Pokerdogg
                                      SBR Hustler
                                      • 04-18-08
                                      • 57

                                      #19
                                      I have had mostly good experiences getting withdrawals from SIA. I had gotten one eCheck, and three regulars cheques in the last two months. The eCheck and two of the cheques arrived in one week, and the last cheque took three weeks. I did have to send in my IDs as per usual.

                                      Sports.com, on the other hand, I wait, and wait, and wait...
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                                      • Justin7
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-31-06
                                        • 8577

                                        #20
                                        Specul8,

                                        Would you please pm me with your email? SIA has been in contact with me regarding your situation, and I think they want to make sure things are right.
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                                        • Marigold HD
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-03-07
                                          • 5053

                                          #21
                                          I once tried to register with SIA, but was let down because I was a Canadian resident........Even though, they're based out of Canada. Good thing for all the posts I'm seeing.
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                                          • Justin7
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 07-31-06
                                            • 8577

                                            #22
                                            SIA has made comments to me on this thread, and asked that I quote SIA here.

                                            Per an SIA manager:

                                            "Some of his allegations are completely against our business practices and surprise me.

                                            I am also disturbed by the description of our offices by another poster. First of all, someone off the street would not be able to just walk in as we are in a state-of-the art office complex, behind several layers of human and electronic security.

                                            Our high customer security also translates into the way we manage our office.

                                            Our offices are located in a facility that houses gaming industry giants and has state-of-the-art technology implemented for redundant, secure internet, back-up power facilities,

                                            Our ever-growing team of employees is bright, educated, multilingual and hardworking. We have facilities for them within our office space for games, for relaxation, and eating. We have facilities for continuous employee training – including a world-class multi-media, interactive training and development class-room.

                                            I have worked in the customer-contact center industry for close to 20 years for major corporations including a French multinational video game developer, a Swedish international furniture and decoration giant as well as numerous financial services companies. In all of career, the SIA customer contact center is the most modern, high tech, advanced, secure and employee-friendly center I have ever visited or worked in."

                                            SIA has offered to provide us photographs of their office. When they do, we'll share them.
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                                            • potsie
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 03-06-07
                                              • 370

                                              #23
                                              SIA is lucky to have a D rating. My personal experience with them is getting screwed out of $500. I had a winning wager canceled AFTER the game was final! I called their CS and was told that it was a 'bad line'...all I know is that my wager was accepted and canceled only after the match was final! I'm quite sure that if I had lost that I wouldn't have gotten a refund! I spoke with a CS supervisor, I said that if this situation wasn't reversed that I would find a new book and I was subsequently told to do just that. Boy am I glad, I was a little more selective when I chose my next book and I've been with them ever since...7 years. SIA can kiss my white @55!
                                              "You don't have a gambling problem...you have a LOSING problem!"
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                                              • Halifax
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 553

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Justin7
                                                SIA has made comments to me on this thread, and asked that I quote SIA here.

                                                Per an SIA manager:

                                                "Some of his allegations are completely against our business practices and surprise me.

                                                I am also disturbed by the description of our offices by another poster. First of all, someone off the street would not be able to just walk in as we are in a state-of-the art office complex, behind several layers of human and electronic security.

                                                Our high customer security also translates into the way we manage our office.

                                                Our offices are located in a facility that houses gaming industry giants and has state-of-the-art technology implemented for redundant, secure internet, back-up power facilities,

                                                Our ever-growing team of employees is bright, educated, multilingual and hardworking. We have facilities for them within our office space for games, for relaxation, and eating. We have facilities for continuous employee training – including a world-class multi-media, interactive training and development class-room.

                                                I have worked in the customer-contact center industry for close to 20 years for major corporations including a French multinational video game developer, a Swedish international furniture and decoration giant as well as numerous financial services companies. In all of career, the SIA customer contact center is the most modern, high tech, advanced, secure and employee-friendly center I have ever visited or worked in."

                                                SIA has offered to provide us photographs of their office. When they do, we'll share them.
                                                SIA's reply clearly shows that Nicky Santauro and his story are full of shit, but it barely even mentions the situation with the bettor who originally started the thread.
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                                                • Stumpage
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-21-05
                                                  • 2906

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Nicky Santauro
                                                  i already did sslp.. i was in montreal a few summers ago and decided to go visit SIA.. true story..

                                                  i went inside the office to speak to the supervisor, and what i saw, i wiill never forget.

                                                  i swear to GOD, it must have been an office about the size of my bedroom, 1904 style carpets, old ugly walls, with 3 girls and 1 kid on the phone sitting in a quiet room. and 1 lady in charge of the 12 x 12 foot room..

                                                  imagine that, only 4 clerks.. i expected a big massive office seeing it was SIA..

                                                  i am still traumatized by that office. Talk about a hole.. The place looked so run down, you have no idea. Offices are nicer in the slummiest town in the USA.
                                                  Interesting.....I had no idea somebody could just decide to stroll onto the Kahnawake Reservation and take a leisurely walk among the sites.....
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                                                  • Pokerdogg
                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                    • 04-18-08
                                                    • 57

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Marigold HD
                                                    I once tried to register with SIA, but was let down because I was a Canadian resident........Even though, they're based out of Canada. Good thing for all the posts I'm seeing.

                                                    That's strange, I am a Canadian, and have had account with SIA for 2 years now.
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                                                    • fiveteamer
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 04-14-08
                                                      • 10805

                                                      #27
                                                      indian reserve isn't canada. sovereign territory.
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                                                      • potsie
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 03-06-07
                                                        • 370

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by fiveteamer
                                                        indian reserve isn't canada. sovereign territory.
                                                        Not true, they are not part of the province of Quebec, but they are a part of the country of Canada. They are subject to Federal and some provincial laws according to the Indian Act. Although this has nothing to do with SIA being a horrible sportsbook.
                                                        "You don't have a gambling problem...you have a LOSING problem!"
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                                                        • ktownkid
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 03-22-08
                                                          • 2

                                                          #29
                                                          santaros story is true. before the new office was built, sia was housed in a rundown strip mall right off a major highway. bodog is now in the new building with sia and some poker site. before all you get excited to see the pics on how big they are...they only have max 12 reps working per shift. i used to have friens that worked there.
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                                                          • citlec
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 03-08-08
                                                            • 557

                                                            #30
                                                            Update on my story.

                                                            After waiting over 2 weeks for my documents and withdrawal to be verdified i went onto livechat and asked what was going on. Here is the live chat:

                                                            SIA: Hi, how may I help you?
                                                            ME: i did a withdrawal 2 weeks ago and was told to send my ID documents to you which i did and i want to know if you have received them
                                                            SIA: One moment please, I will check on this.
                                                            ME: ok thanks
                                                            SIA: You are welcome!
                                                            SIA: How did you send the documents?
                                                            ME: via email sent by you
                                                            SIA: Ok, one moment please.
                                                            SIA: We did receive your documents, however I am unsure if they were reviewed yet or not. In case they have not yet been reviewed, I will pass a request to get them reviewed as soon as possible, and to get you an update on your registration.
                                                            ME: ok thanks
                                                            ME: when can i expect a email
                                                            SIA: You are welcome!
                                                            SIA: I will pass a request for when the Security department arrives in about an hour, so I am hoping that we will have an update for you later today.
                                                            SIA: If you like you could contact us after 9:00 AM EST and we may be able to get an update for you right away.
                                                            ME: ok thanks.
                                                            SIA: You are welcome!
                                                            SIA: Can I help with anything else?
                                                            ME: no thats it
                                                            SIA: Have a nice day and thank you for contacting Sports Interaction!!
                                                            ME: thanks
                                                            ME: bye
                                                            SIA: Bye bye

                                                            I got a email that day from them saying my documents was to blurry and to re-send them so i sent another ID document.
                                                            Two days later my documents was accepted.

                                                            On the 6th June my withdrawal was cancelled and put back into my SIA account then was spilt into 5 withdrawals. I received the first withdrawal on the 7th June.
                                                            I wanted to know when i was going to get my next 4 withdrawals so again i went onto live chat

                                                            SIA: Hi, how can I help you?
                                                            ME: i made a withdrawal of £XXXXX via Moneybookers and the withdrawal was cancelled and split into £XXXX four times and a £XXXX. i received the first withdrawal yesterday and i wanted to know when im going to get the rest
                                                            SIA: One moment please while I look at your account
                                                            SIA: They will be sent out weekly from the date of the first one
                                                            ME: ok, why weekly?
                                                            SIA: That was a determination made by our accounts manager
                                                            ME: ok
                                                            ME: thanks
                                                            SIA: Can I help you with something else?
                                                            ME: nope
                                                            SIA: Thank you for using Sports Interaction's chat service!

                                                            So its going be to 5 weeks till i get all money after the 3 weeks they was stalling on telling me my documents was blurry to passing my documents.
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                                                            • Justin7
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 07-31-06
                                                              • 8577

                                                              #31
                                                              Citlec,

                                                              Will you either pm me with your email/account info, or fill out a complaint? An SIA manager contacted me, and wanted to be sure your situation was handled quickly and properly.
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                                                              • Cloak & Dagger
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-15-07
                                                                • 4781

                                                                #32
                                                                though the FIRST sportsbook I EVER placed a bet at.....they really have gone down hill over the years

                                                                they robbed my friend for his entire acct a while back...like $500

                                                                they are BETUS now.....
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                                                                • Stumpage
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 09-21-05
                                                                  • 2906

                                                                  #33
                                                                  It's amazing how often documents sent to SIA tend to be too dark, too blurry or out of focus. They should really set up an "eyesight-strengthening" program at the SIA home barracks. What with the countless visually challenged employees that they apparently have a coincidental habit of hiring.....
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                                                                  • citlec
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 03-08-08
                                                                    • 557

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Justin7
                                                                    Citlec,

                                                                    Will you either pm me with your email/account info, or fill out a complaint? An SIA manager contacted me, and wanted to be sure your situation was handled quickly and properly.
                                                                    Well what a waste of time that was.

                                                                    9 days after my first withdrawal im still waiting for my 2nd payment. So much for weekly from the date of the first. Ive been on live chat and they are going to pass it on to the accounts department when they get in.

                                                                    Looks like ive got to keep reminding them to pay me my money.
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                                                                    • betplom
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 09-20-06
                                                                      • 13444

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Stumpage
                                                                      It's amazing how often documents sent to SIA tend to be too dark, too blurry or out of focus. They should really set up an "eyesight-strengthening" program at the SIA home barracks. What with the countless visually challenged employees that they apparently have a coincidental habit of hiring.....
                                                                      Sharp post.
                                                                      I hope SIA takes this advice.

                                                                      SIA is tops when it comes to excuses.
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