The top 10 fastballs in the Majors (Starting Pitchers)

[Thor4140]

No he's not and it's not close.

i have to disagree with you saying its not even close. Maddox wwas a very dominate picture

[mofome]

Cueto has thrown a no hitter through 4 and looks better than any of these guys (today).

How about we quit arguing over cokk size and talk about some real baseball

This is actually entirely a sports thread as is. im enjoying it.

[mofome]

i have to disagree with you saying its not even close. Maddox wwas a very dominate picture

maddux is one of the best. I wish i could have seen him in the AL in his prime.

[5 star bomb]

maddux is better than unit and pedro?

Yes, like I said he was the best in the last 20 years. Just my opinion though

[5 star bomb]

maddux is one of the best. I wish i could have seen him in the AL in his prime.

Wouldnt have mattered AL or NL but yea I think that would have been interesting as well

[donjuan]

i have to disagree with you saying its not even close.

Clemens: dERA 3.18, NRA 3.32
Pedro: dERA 3.08, NRA 3.05
Maddux: dERA 3.63, NRA 3.57

Not close.

[ryanXL977]

clemens is a cheat

[5 star bomb]

Clemens: dERA 3.18, NRA 3.32
Pedro: dERA 3.08, NRA 3.05
Maddux: dERA 3.63, NRA 3.57

Not close.

Yeah bc era is the best stat to base who is the best...

[5 star bomb]

clemens is a cheat

Yup Clemens cheated, Maddux didnt...

[donjuan]

Yeah bc era is the best stat to base who is the best...

It's not, hence me not using it.

[ryanXL977]

era matters more to me than many other stats
if its a legit 10 yr era

[donjuan]

era matters more to me than many other stats

It's better than something silly like Wins but why use it when there are other stats that are less flawed?

[ryanXL977]

i agree
what stats do you prefer?

[mofome]

i agree
what stats do you prefer?

apparently, the ones he cited.

[donjuan]

NRA and dERA among others.

[5 star bomb]

stats are cute and all but I go off what I see and how they perform. Maddux has been the best and most consistant pitcher the last 20 years. And he did it without cheating

[mofome]

stats are cute and all but I go off what I see and how they perform. Maddux has been the best and most consistant pitcher the last 20 years. And he did it without cheating

Stats are cute? Stats get you into the HOF.

[5 star bomb]

Stats are cute? Stats get you into the HOF.

No they dont, otherwise Santo would be in. McGwire would be in, etc etc etc... Maddux is a 1st ballot Lock. He might be the first to get 100% of the votes for the 1st ballot. Stats are cute, but I would rather go off what I see on the field of play

[donjuan]

stats are cute and all but I go off what I see and how they perform. Maddux has been the best and most consistant pitcher the last 20 years. And he did it without cheating

1. Stats are an objective measure of performance, more so in baseball than any other sport.
2. You cannot definitively say that Maddux has not cheated. We simply don't know.

[mofome]

No they dont, otherwise Santo would be in. McGwire would be in, etc etc etc... Maddux is a 1st ballot Lock. He might be the first to get 100% of the votes for the 1st ballot. Stats are cute, but I would rather go off what I see on the field of play

santo may get in, i don't think he should.
Mark may get in, i know he should not.


stats are what get you in the hall, not whether or not 5 star bomb likes your game.

[ryanXL977]

santo should not be in

[rjt721]

stats are what get you in the hall, not whether or not 5 star bomb likes your game.

But the latter is much more important.

[5 star bomb]

santo should not be in

Wait are you really a Cubs fan?


Santo should most definitely be in are you serious?

1. He was a better hitter than a number of Hall of Fame third basemen, including Pie Traynor, Jimmy Collins and Brooks Robinson.

2. He was a fine defensive player who won five Gold Gloves.

He was the first third baseman to hit over 300 home runs and win five Gold Gloves, a feat since matched by only Mike Schmidt, a Hall of Fame player.

[rjt721]

Wait are you really a Cubs fan?


Santo should most definitely be in are you serious?

1. He was a better hitter than a number of Hall of Fame third basemen, including Pie Traynor, Jimmy Collins and Brooks Robinson.

2. He was a fine defensive player who won five Gold Gloves.

He was the first third baseman to hit over 300 home runs and win five Gold Gloves, a feat since matched by only Mike Schmidt, a Hall of Fame player.

Santo and Aramis Ramirez are the two best 3B in the history of baseball.

[ryanXL977]

and bill mueller

[mofome]

Wait are you really a Cubs fan?


Santo should most definitely be in are you serious?

1. He was a better hitter than a number of Hall of Fame third basemen, including Pie Traynor, Jimmy Collins and Brooks Robinson.

2. He was a fine defensive player who won five Gold Gloves.

He was the first third baseman to hit over 300 home runs and win five Gold Gloves, a feat since matched by only Mike Schmidt, a Hall of Fame player.

Robinson won what, 16 GG and played in 18 all star games?

[5 star bomb]

Robinson won what, 16 GG and played in 18 all star games?

That is cute, but if you ask every gm, every manager, and every fan they would rather have Santo hitting for them over Brooks Robinson

[mofome]

That is cute, but if you ask every gm, every manager, and every fan they would rather have Santo hitting for them over Brooks Robinson

Then again, those that vote have brooks in the HOF while santo is only in the 5SB HOF. Clearly, one is the more prestigious honor.

[5 star bomb]

Then again, those that vote have brooks in the HOF while santo is only in the 5SB HOF. Clearly, one is the more prestigious honor.

Yea he is in my HOF and he is also known as the BEST player not in the HOF and is getting screwed over... but like I said every manager, every fan, and every gm would rather have Santo at the plate than Robinson

[mofome]

Yea he is in my HOF and he is also known as the BEST player not in the HOF and is getting screwed over... but like I said every manager, every fan, and every gm would rather have Santo at the plate than Robinson

Best not to be in vs someone who is in? Your future in the world of debate is one i look forward to following.

[5 star bomb]

Best not to be in vs someone who is in? Your future in the world of debate is one i look forward to following.

i am saying he should be in idiot

[5 star bomb]

Santo is clearly better than many guys that are in the hall of fame already... but once again Mofome knows all so its not even worth debating since you already know everything. And that you are friends with all the gms, and coaches

[mofome]

i am saying he should be in idiot

Now I'm an idiot. If tomorrow morning i was to wake up with your IQ, i would first hire someone who could tie my shoes for me, I would then make a post about imgv quickly followed by placing a futures wager on the cubs to win the WS. Each of which would seem like solid decisions under the circumstances.

[5 star bomb]

Now I'm an idiot. If tomorrow morning i was to wake up with your IQ, i would first hire someone who could tie my shoes for me, I would then make a post about imgv quickly followed by placing a futures wager on the cubs to win the WS. Each of which would seem like solid decisions under the circumstances.

[mofome]

There's that quick wit that we all love ya for.