Another End of Game Debacle

jgray · 03-20-11, 07:35 PM

If they called fouls last night, they have to call a foul with all that contact in this game. Unreal.

robmpink · 03-20-11, 07:37 PM

No time left when there was contact.

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:37 PM

Same Ref that got kicked out of the Big East tourney for not reffing the full 40 minutes.

The Bet Master · 03-20-11, 07:38 PM

The fact that they were calling all the little contacts fouls down the stretch in this game, they have to call that one at the end.

ProfaneReality · 03-20-11, 07:39 PM

i would like to see someone run a stop clock on that texas inbounds play, seemed like a quick 5

k13 · 03-20-11, 07:40 PM

Did you guys see the Texas girl crying?

That was priceless.

GOIRISH · 03-20-11, 07:40 PM

You cant win, yesterday refs call fouls at end of game, people are mad, today refs dont call fouls at end of game people are mad. although i do think a foul should of been called at the end

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by ProfaneReality

i would like to see someone run a stop clock on that texas inbounds play, seemed like a quick 5

A lot of contact too, but real poorly designed play, so not sure what Texas truly deserved.

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by GOIRISH

You cant win, yesterday refs call fouls at end of game, people are mad, today refs dont call fouls at end of game people are mad. although i do think a foul should of been called at the end

Consistency would win...at least within a game.

Powderguy · 03-20-11, 07:42 PM

That was a quick ass 5 second count

sinister · 03-20-11, 07:42 PM

No debacle. Brown took a bad shot if any foul occured which it may not have, it was after time expired. Texas player made a bad decision by not calling the TO earlier and this is all avoidable. Players making bad decisions so far is a theme.

donkdown · 03-20-11, 07:44 PM

I had Arizona here and Texas 100% got fcked!!! Simple as that!! Some of these refs should not be referring

stealthyburrito · 03-20-11, 07:44 PM

never seen a 5 count determine a game like that, shouldn't have anyway, lots of contact on that final frive to the basket.

reffing is quickly becoming the highlight of the tourney, not good.

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:45 PM

Ha just saw that end of Washington game. They didn't check the clock there?! They love checking the clock...at all kinds of stupid times.

jgray · 03-20-11, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Jonah

Consistency would win...at least within a game.

This is my point. I hated last night's result because the last foul was a nothing play 85 feet from the basket. This one was on the shot (all sorts of body contact on the first shot) so it has to be called. Also in-game consistency would be nice. On the and-one for AZ there was a little contact to the legs and a foul called. On the last play the guy hits him from behind in the torso, no call. That can't happen in the same game, let alone in 30 seconds on back-to-back possessions.

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Powderguy

That was a quick ass 5 second count

Ref was pumped. Has been dying to make that call for years.

Mac4Lyfe · 03-20-11, 07:52 PM

Guys, once the count gets to 4 seconds, you can't call timeout. You have to throw the ball in before 5. The ref counted 4 and was about to call 5 when the player asked for time but it was too late. He tried to call timeout at 4.5 seconds. You can't do that anymore in college basketball. That's the rule. It was the right call.

C-Gold · 03-20-11, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by GOIRISH

You cant win, yesterday refs call fouls at end of game, people are mad, today refs dont call fouls at end of game people are mad. although i do think a foul should of been called at the end

There were 2 fouls on texas shots that were NOT called... shooting fouls.

This wasn't matt howard rebounding the ball with 0.5 seconds left.

jgray · 03-20-11, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Guys, once the count gets to 4 seconds, you can't call timeout. You have to throw the ball in before 5. The ref counted 4 and was about to call 5 when the player asked for time but it was too late. He tried to call timeout at 4.5 seconds. You can't do that anymore in college basketball. That's the rule. It was the right call.

Yes. You are correct. THAT one was OK. The others????

Jonah · 03-20-11, 07:57 PM

Crazy thing tho - is I would be willing to bet that had Texas taken the charge like they could and should have on that game winning bucket, the refs would not have had the guts to call the charge. AZ coach was in there heads.

InTheDrink · 03-20-11, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Guys, once the count gets to 4 seconds, you can't call timeout. You have to throw the ball in before 5. The ref counted 4 and was about to call 5 when the player asked for time but it was too late. He tried to call timeout at 4.5 seconds. You can't do that anymore in college basketball. That's the rule. It was the right call.

Finally someone knows the rules.

The last play was a judgment call whether the second effort was at the buzzer or before it.

This complaining is getting tiresome.

nyjets15 · 03-20-11, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by jgray

If they called fouls last night, they have to call a foul with all that contact in this game. Unreal.

Matt Howard WAS fouled.....that has nothing to do with the game today.

jgray · 03-20-11, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Finally someone knows the rules. The last play was a judgment call whether the second effort was at the buzzer or before it. This complaining is getting tiresome.

So is the awful officiating....

Jonah · 03-20-11, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Guys, once the count gets to 4 seconds, you can't call timeout. You have to throw the ball in before 5. The ref counted 4 and was about to call 5 when the player asked for time but it was too late. He tried to call timeout at 4.5 seconds. You can't do that anymore in college basketball. That's the rule. It was the right call.

I didn't have that much of a prob with that call...Syracuse player just tackled Marquette player to the ground and they called it on Marquette. Ref prob just had bad angle. I have Marq. but I can live with mistakes, just not with bad logic, or refs having their own set of rules.

KingKolzig · 03-20-11, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Jonah

Same Ref that got kicked out of the Big East tourney for not reffing the full 40 minutes.

InTheDrink · 03-20-11, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by jgray

So is the awful officiating....

We're talking about questionable calls that could go either way.

The Henson non-goaltend call was terrible but had no affect on the game. Everything else I've seen is opinion.

jgray · 03-20-11, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by nyjets15

Matt Howard WAS fouled.....that has nothing to do with the game today.

I'm not arguing with you there. It was a foul. I just question whether a foul should be called with less than a second to go 85 feet from the basket in a tie game. In this game, the Texas kid was shooting and got fouled. I think that has to be called. If they didn't swallow the whistle last night, they can't here. That's my point.

Jonah · 03-20-11, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Finally someone knows the rules.

The last play was a judgment call whether the second effort was at the buzzer or before it.

This complaining is getting tiresome.

Some of it warrants complaining. I had Pitt ML and -2. I had everything to lose there, but that just was what it was. Didn't formally complain about that... But guys I'm on a great run right now, there have been tons of controversial and crazy endings. Have not been on the winning side on one of them

Should of had Wash = pts, but had ML.

I had Mich + a million and VCU tho.

jgray · 03-20-11, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

We're talking about questionable calls that could go either way. The Henson non-goaltend call was terrible but had no affect on the game. Everything else I've seen is opinion.

Then the game of basketball sucks. In my mind, there's much more consistency to the way fouls should be called. If contact while shooting might or might not be a foul how is this any better than figure skating?

Jonah · 03-20-11, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by jgray

Then the game of basketball sucks. In my mind, there's much more consistency to the way fouls should be called. If contact while shooting might or might not be a foul how is this any better than figure skating?

jjgold · 03-20-11, 08:20 PM

Players and coaches are freezing up late in these games, I guess the pressure of the game

Pro s do not freeze up

InTheDrink · 03-20-11, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by jgray

Then the game of basketball sucks. In my mind, there's much more consistency to the way fouls should be called. If contact while shooting might or might not be a foul how is this any better than figure skating?

This just in...Questionable calls happen in every sport.

zgates · 03-20-11, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Jonah

It pays to have a real pissy face(AZ's Coach). It got Arizona some help in the last 10 seconds. If it was the Butt/Pitt game, there would have been five foul call on Texas' last drive.

Bad coaching by Texas too.

rick barnes has long been considered by people who know there sh*t to be one of the worst coaches in ncaabb

McBa1n · 03-20-11, 08:30 PM

I have to say the way Texas had their game coached down the stretch, they are possibly the worst big time program 'coaching wise' in the NCAA. Pitt has been horrible in big spots, but when do they NOT stink in the tourney and under impress?
First - you're letting a FRESHMAN imbound the ball. Really? I think the ref came out a 1/2 a tick ahead of the 5 count. 2nd, 12ish seconds left and your 'guy taking the shot' is walking it up the court? That's on the coach. UNdefensable. Yeah, that game wiped me out, but well done by Zona.. Sigh, I should know better. They either go out in the first round or play for it all ala Lute Olson days. Backbreaking loss for TX. Stupid coach=stupid players.