Too early? Or Obama sukks

[Hotdiggity11]

Wow, how did I miss that post?

[pavyracer]

24 months equals a year..man that would have made a great signature.

[statnerds]

So now put on your math figuring hats and justify a line of 155
Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove of his performance.


The stability of the president’s numbers are nothing short of remarkable. For 96 out of the past 100 days, the president’s approval rating has stayed between 44% and 50%. That’s three points above and three points below a midpoint of 47% in a poll with a three-point margin of error. Of the 4 days that were exceptions, two days were above the normal range and two below.
On a full month basis, the stability is even more apparent partly because full month samples draw upon roughly 15,000 interviews each month. When looked at in this way, the president’s approval has been at 46% or 47% for 13 of the last 15 months. Once, it was a point higher at 48% and once a point lower at 45%.


This stability in perceptions of the president was found despite events that included Scott Brown’s upset victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, the passage of the health care law, the Gulf Oil Spill, the GOP success in the mid-term elections, extension of the Bush Administration tax cuts, the tragedy in Tucson, the House vote to repeal the health care law, and the attacks on Libya. No matter what has been happening around him, perceptions of President Obama remain relatively fixed with the only change being modest shifts in enthusiasm for and against.

[babastar]

Obama is a great man everybody love's him rocky 52 you are wrong very wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hotdiggity11]

So now put on your math figuring hats and justify a line of 155
Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove of his performance.


The stability of the president’s numbers are nothing short of remarkable. For 96 out of the past 100 days, the president’s approval rating has stayed between 44% and 50%. That’s three points above and three points below a midpoint of 47% in a poll with a three-point margin of error. Of the 4 days that were exceptions, two days were above the normal range and two below.
On a full month basis, the stability is even more apparent partly because full month samples draw upon roughly 15,000 interviews each month. When looked at in this way, the president’s approval has been at 46% or 47% for 13 of the last 15 months. Once, it was a point higher at 48% and once a point lower at 45%.


This stability in perceptions of the president was found despite events that included Scott Brown’s upset victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, the passage of the health care law, the Gulf Oil Spill, the GOP success in the mid-term elections, extension of the Bush Administration tax cuts, the tragedy in Tucson, the House vote to repeal the health care law, and the attacks on Libya. No matter what has been happening around him, perceptions of President Obama remain relatively fixed with the only change being modest shifts in enthusiasm for and against.

Meanwhile, on relevant polls:


Obama currently holds a 10% advantage over any Republican challenger.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/720.pdf

[DwightShrute]

666 days before Obama is gone!

[King Mayan]

666 days before Obama is gone!

Obama is Canada's president??

[Emily_Haines]

666 days before Obama is gone!

Bonus for the hardcore righties. Dwight working overtime tonight with his lunatic ramblings.

[wiffle]

bet on obama. it's a life hedge.

[statnerds]

Meanwhile, on relevant polls:


Obama currently holds a 10% advantage over any Republican challenger.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/720.pdf

1. Again your reading comprehension is lacking. Read closer and notice the paragraphs devoted to detailing barry benefits from no rep candidate.

2. Rasmussen is the only one that will matter.

3. Stop posting now. You are clearly too biased in your beliefs to rationally digest the data and the landscape presented to you. Here is a test that will prove it:

List 1 thing obama did wrong since becoming president.

[nobull]

1. Again your reading comprehension is lacking. Read closer and notice the paragraphs devoted to detailing barry benefits from no rep candidate.

2. Rasmussen is the only one that will matter.

3. Stop posting now. You are clearly too biased in your beliefs to rationally digest the data and the landscape presented to you. Here is a test that will prove it:

List 1 thing obama did wrong since becoming president.

Assmussen was the least accurate of all the respected pollsters during the mid-terms buddy.

November 4, 2010, 10:41 PM

November 4, 2010, 10:41 PM

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly

By NATE SILVER

Every election cycle has its winners and losers: not just the among the candidates, but also the pollsters.

On Tuesday, polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates.

Other polling firms, like SurveyUSA and Quinnipiac University, produced more reliable results in Senate and gubernatorial races. A firm that conducts surveys by Internet, YouGov, also performed relatively well.

What follows is a preliminary analysis of polls released to the public in the final 21 days of the campaign. Our process here is quite simple: we’ve taken all such polls in our database, and assessed how accurate they were, on average, in predicting the margin separating the two leading candidates in each race. For instance, a poll that had the Democrat winning by 2 percentage points in a race where the Republican actually won by 4 would have an error of 6 points.

We’ve also assessed whether a company’s polls consistently missed in either a Democratic or Republican direction — that is, whether they were biased. The hypothetical poll I just described would have had a 6 point Democratic bias, for instance.

The analysis covers all polls issued by firms in the final three weeks of the campaign, even if a company surveyed a particular state multiple times. In our view, this provides for a more comprehensive analysis than focusing solely on a firm’s final poll in each state, since polling has a tendency to converge in the final days of the campaign, perhaps because some firms fear that their results are an outlier and adjust them accordingly.

(After a couple of weeks, when results in all races have been certified, we’ll update our official pollster ratings, which use a more advanced process that attempts to account, for instance, for the degree of difficulty in polling different types of races.)

The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

If one focused solely on the final poll issued by Rasmussen Reports or Pulse Opinion Research in each state — rather than including all polls within the three-week interval — it would not have made much difference. Their average error would be 5.7 points rather than 5.8, and their average bias 3.8 points rather than 3.9.

Nor did it make much difference whether the polls were branded as Rasmussen Reports surveys, or instead, were commissioned for Fox News by its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research. (Both sets of surveys used an essentially identical methodology.) Polls branded as Rasmussen Reports missed by an average of 5.9 points and had a 3.9 point bias. The polls it commissioned on behalf of Fox News had a 5.1 point error, and a 3.6 point bias.

Rasmussen’s polls have come under heavy criticism throughout this election cycle, including from FiveThirtyEight. We have critiqued the firm for its cavalier attitude toward polling convention. Rasmussen, for instance, generally conducts all of its interviews during a single, 4-hour window; speaks with the first person it reaches on the phone rather than using a random selection process; does not call cellphones; does not call back respondents whom it misses initially; and uses a computer script rather than live interviewers to conduct its surveys. These are cost-saving measures which contribute to very low response rates and may lead to biased samples.

Rasmussen also weights their surveys based on preordained assumptions about the party identification of voters in each state, a relatively unusual practice that many polling firms consider dubious since party identification (unlike characteristics like age and gender) is often quite fluid.

Rasmussen’s polls — after a poor debut in 2000 in which they picked the wrong winner in 7 key states in that year’s Presidential race — nevertheless had performed quite strongly in in 2004 and 2006. And they were about average in 2008. But their polls were poor this year.

The discrepancies between Rasmussen Reports polls and those issued by other companies were apparent from virtually the first day that Barack Obama took office. Rasmussen showed Barack Obama’s disapproval rating at 36 percent, for instance, just a week after his inauguration, at a point when no other pollster had that figure higher than 20 percent.

Rasmussen Reports has rarely provided substantive responses to criticisms about its methodology. At one point, Scott Rasmussen, president of the company, suggested that the differences it showed were due to its use of a likely voter model. A FiveThirtyEight analysis, however, revealed that itsbias was at least as strong in polls conducted among all adults, before any model of voting likelihood had been applied.

Some of the criticisms have focused on the fact that Mr. Rasmussen is himself a conservative — the same direction in which his polls have generally leaned — although he identifies as an independent rather than Republican. In our view, that is somewhat beside the point. What matters, rather, is that the methodological shortcuts that the firm takes may now be causing it to pay a price in terms of the reliability of its polling.

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The table below presents results for the eight companies in FiveThirtyEight’s database that released at least 10 polls of gubernatorial and Senate contests into the public domain in the final three weeks of the campaign, and which were active in at least two states.

[BstHcpr]

1. Again your reading comprehension is lacking. Read closer and notice the paragraphs devoted to detailing barry benefits from no rep candidate.

2. Rasmussen is the only one that will matter.

3. Stop posting now. You are clearly too biased in your beliefs to rationally digest the data and the landscape presented to you. Here is a test that will prove it:

List 1 thing obama did wrong since becoming president.

The Queen of Hearts likes to have sentencing first and trials later.

[Hotdiggity11]

1. Again your reading comprehension is lacking. Read closer and notice the paragraphs devoted to detailing barry benefits from no rep candidate.

2. Rasmussen is the only one that will matter.

3. Stop posting now. You are clearly too biased in your beliefs to rationally digest the data and the landscape presented to you. Here is a test that will prove it:

List 1 thing obama did wrong since becoming president.

First of all, you keep using APPROVAL rating polls instead of head-to-head polls because the polls that actually matter [Head to head] totally destroy you at the moment.


Secondly, as another guy already pointed out, Rasmussen has been underperforming for years now. The only reason you want to use Rasmussen is because it is the only one that even comes close to giving you hope at the present moment that your bet is a good one, even as tons of other polling agencies show the exact opposite.


Thirdly, you think there are 24 months in a year and you are putting money on a marginal bet a year and a half before there will even be a result while the current data shows that bet to be -EV. It's pretty obvious you aren't very intelligent.

[statnerds]

Assmussen was the least accurate of all the respected pollsters during the mid-terms buddy.

In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased with the stability of our results. On every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign, our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead attracting more than 50% of the vote.
In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports polling projected that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%. We were the only firm to project both candidates' totals within half a percentage point by (see our 2004 results).



If you looked hard enough, you will find a lib refuting 1+1=2 as well.

[statnerds]

First of all, you keep using APPROVAL rating polls instead of head-to-head polls because the polls that actually matter [Head to head] totally destroy you at the moment.


Secondly, as another guy already pointed out, Rasmussen has been underperforming for years now. The only reason you want to use Rasmussen is because it is the only one that even comes close to giving you hope at the present moment that your bet is a good one, even as tons of other polling agencies show the exact opposite.


Thirdly, you think there are 24 months in a year and you are putting money on a marginal bet a year and a half before there will even be a result while the current data shows that bet to be -EV. It's pretty obvious you aren't very intelligent.

I give you credit for admitting obama made at least one error during his first 2+ years in office...

Oh wait, nevermind.

Don't look now, but your bias is showing.

[Thor4140]

The dems had both houses of congress since 2006. had both houses and the presidency for 2 full years and got nothing done, except shit that the majority of Americans were opposed to. and now we got all this budget bullshit mess going on cause while they had full control of the government, they bitched out and didn't pass a budget. just think if the liberal media ever told the truth, his approval would be in the 30's.

As for speech writing, a teleprompter will not help in debates, where he is going to get demolished if the reps come up with anyone that can think and speak at the same time. True the hardcore libs will never give up on him, nor will black people.

But the huge chunk of white independent voters will decide the next election.

We will get a much better idea when it gets closer and rasmussen starts releasing poll data. Damn near nailed the last 2 presidential elections, especially in 2006...it was amazing.

You see a guy that is as delusional as you would be the real problem the country is facing today. The guy got dealt the biggest pile of shit in our history. As for health care reform most intelligent people wanted to reform this sky rocketed priced shit but "the liberal media" The liberal media owned by corporations showed a handful of tea baggers crying about keeping the gov't off their medicare . You buy it hook line and sinker. Lets give the Republicans another chance so they can just wipe out the middle class. The job they started under Bush and that con-artist Cheney.. Im not a big fan of the Democrats either but anyone who isn't easily conned knows that Bush held a veto pen the last two years when the Dems got in control and in the history of this country, their were the largest amount of fillbusters. Same shit up until the last election. Fillibuster after fillibuster. So in essence lets not talk like the Dems are in control when they needed 60 votes for everything and when they had sixty they had those handful of Southernors that are nothing but Republicans anyway. I think they call themselves blue dogs. They should change it to dogs.

[Thor4140]

Here is what the Republicans have done since they got in control. They campaign on creating jobs but as soon as they got their fools to vote for them this is what they have been up to. Great job Put them back in . Surprised gay marriage isn't in there or some gun nonsense for the mentally weak.

Top 6 things Republicans consider more important than job creation
By Sahil Kapur from Rawstory.com
March 22, 2011 @ 8:46 am

WASHINGTON – Republicans won dramatic victories last November by promising to mitigate high unemployment. "This coming election is about one issue: jobs," to-be Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said [1] weeks before election day. "It's about jobs that were promised to the American people by the current administration, and were never delivered."

But in the three months since taking over the House and expanding their voices in the Senate, Republicans have yet to pass a jobs-focused bill, instead prioritizing numerous social and cultural issues that are unrelated to job creation -- and have little or no chance of becoming policy.

Here are six such legislative goals they've been hard at work on.

1) Curtailing Abortion Rights

A top priority for Republicans, H.R. 3, "The No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act" is on its way to passage [2] in the House after successfully maneuvering through the Judiciary [3] and Ways And Means Committees.

Though the GOP stripped out some of its most controversial provisions -- such as denying exemptions to a woman even in cases of rape, incest and when her life is in danger [4] -- the measure raises costs for businesses by eliminating tax deductions on employee health insurance plans that cover abortion.

2) Defunding Planned Parenthood

The House last month approved a measure [5] 240-185, sponsored by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), to cut off all $317 million in Title X funding for Planned Parenthood and all other health care providers that offer abortions.

Under the law, Title X money cannot be used for abortion, so -- beyond the shot across Planned Parenthood's bow -- Republicans effectively voted to strip funding [6] enjoyed by mostly low-income women for medical services like cancer screenings, breast exams and HIV tests.

3) Defunding NPR

In the wake of James O'Keefe's highly edited video sting that defamed National Public Radio executives, House Republicans last week called an emergency session to push through legislation that eliminates taxpayer funds to the radio-based news agency. It passed 228-192 [7] on a partisan vote, winning over no Democrats and losing 7 Republicans.

4) Investigating American Muslims

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King (R-NY) held a controversial hearing two weeks ago about the extent of radicalization within the American Muslim community. Though even critics admitted [8] that the xenophobic undertones were relatively mild compared to what they expected, the hearings had their fair share of bizarre statements [9].

5) Declaring English As America's Official Language

Liberating Americans from ever needing to learn another language, Republicans this month introduced [10] the "English Language Unity Act," which would declare English as the official language of the U.S.

The bill declares that "all citizens should be able to read and understand generally the English language text of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the laws of the United States made in pursuance of the Constitution."

6) Reaffirming The "In God We Trust" Motto

The House Judiciary Committee last week approved a GOP resolution [11] reaffirming the motto of the United States as "In God We Trust" -- you know, just in case people forgot what America was all about.
__________________

[Thor4140]

Christ i am arguing with a nitwit who thinks there is 24 months in a year. lol.

[rkelly110]

Nice write up Thor. Can't wait to dip my toe into the new pool of jobs they're creating.

1st it was the NO party for 2 years, now it's the WTF are you doing party.

We might have to riot like the middle east to get anything done. They aren't listening.

[statnerds]

Peddle your political pissing contest shit elsewhere. Stay the fukk out this thread. unless you can present a mathematical reason why 155 is the fair value line, shut up.

[Hotdiggity11]

I give you credit for admitting obama made at least one error during his first 2+ years in office...

Oh wait, nevermind.

Don't look now, but your bias is showing.

So far, your bias is the one showing. Even Conservatives in this thread have been acknowledging you are a total moron with both your analysis, a long-term marginal bet, and not knowing how many months are in a year. What, did you bet like 2 dollars?

[Hotdiggity11]

In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased with the stability of our results. On every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign, our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead attracting more than 50% of the vote.
In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports polling projected that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%. We were the only firm to project both candidates' totals within half a percentage point by (see our 2004 results).



If you looked hard enough, you will find a lib refuting 1+1=2 as well.

How did they do in 2010 dodger?

[statnerds]

How did they do in 2010 dodger?

You will not hijack this debate.

1. Prove mathematically why 155 is a fair price

2. List one thing obama has done wrong.

[Hotdiggity11]

Answer my question, how did the almighty RR do in 2010? I've already pointed out why +155 a year and a half before an election when the GOP candidates are currently way behind is a stupid idea. Answer my question already Mr. 24 months in a year.

[The Madcap]

Here is what the Republicans have done since they got in control. They campaign on creating jobs but as soon as they got their fools to vote for them this is what they have been up to. Great job Put them back in . Surprised gay marriage isn't in there or some gun nonsense for the mentally weak.

Top 6 things Republicans consider more important than job creation
By Sahil Kapur from Rawstory.com
March 22, 2011 @ 8:46 am

WASHINGTON – Republicans won dramatic victories last November by promising to mitigate high unemployment. "This coming election is about one issue: jobs," to-be Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said [1] weeks before election day. "It's about jobs that were promised to the American people by the current administration, and were never delivered."

But in the three months since taking over the House and expanding their voices in the Senate, Republicans have yet to pass a jobs-focused bill, instead prioritizing numerous social and cultural issues that are unrelated to job creation -- and have little or no chance of becoming policy.

Here are six such legislative goals they've been hard at work on.

1) Curtailing Abortion Rights

A top priority for Republicans, H.R. 3, "The No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act" is on its way to passage [2] in the House after successfully maneuvering through the Judiciary [3] and Ways And Means Committees.

Though the GOP stripped out some of its most controversial provisions -- such as denying exemptions to a woman even in cases of rape, incest and when her life is in danger [4] -- the measure raises costs for businesses by eliminating tax deductions on employee health insurance plans that cover abortion.

2) Defunding Planned Parenthood

The House last month approved a measure [5] 240-185, sponsored by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), to cut off all $317 million in Title X funding for Planned Parenthood and all other health care providers that offer abortions.

Under the law, Title X money cannot be used for abortion, so -- beyond the shot across Planned Parenthood's bow -- Republicans effectively voted to strip funding [6] enjoyed by mostly low-income women for medical services like cancer screenings, breast exams and HIV tests.

3) Defunding NPR

In the wake of James O'Keefe's highly edited video sting that defamed National Public Radio executives, House Republicans last week called an emergency session to push through legislation that eliminates taxpayer funds to the radio-based news agency. It passed 228-192 [7] on a partisan vote, winning over no Democrats and losing 7 Republicans.

4) Investigating American Muslims

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King (R-NY) held a controversial hearing two weeks ago about the extent of radicalization within the American Muslim community. Though even critics admitted [8] that the xenophobic undertones were relatively mild compared to what they expected, the hearings had their fair share of bizarre statements [9].

5) Declaring English As America's Official Language

Liberating Americans from ever needing to learn another language, Republicans this month introduced [10] the "English Language Unity Act," which would declare English as the official language of the U.S.

The bill declares that "all citizens should be able to read and understand generally the English language text of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the laws of the United States made in pursuance of the Constitution."

6) Reaffirming The "In God We Trust" Motto

The House Judiciary Committee last week approved a GOP resolution [11] reaffirming the motto of the United States as "In God We Trust" -- you know, just in case people forgot what America was all about.
__________________

Thor,

do you know what the "hopper" is?

I'm guessing you don't.

Well if you did, you'd know that at any given time there are dozens of bills being discussed in congress at any given time. And dozens more on deck. Some laws have more legs than others. These laws appear to you to have been a priority, when in reality, they are what were ready to go.

Think about it like cooking dinner. Say the main course is steak. And for sides you've got baked potatoes and corn on the cob. Well you're going to toss them potatoes in the oven and the corn on the grill long before the steak. But eventually, after you've seasoned/marinated your steak, and it's had time to soak up some flavor, well then you toss it on the grill and bring it off right when the potatoes are coming out of the oven. And your dinner is ready to go.

Legislation is quite similar. Some things take a long time to prepare, but cook fast. Other's prepare easy, but take a long time to cook.

The GOP's plans for the economy are not the sorts of things that they are going to just toss out on the floor just to get things rolling. They need to marinate. They need to figure out what they can do, and where they are votes short. Writing/passing legislation ain't like microwaving a TV dinner. It's more like simmering a stew, or slow grilling a steak, waiting for everything to be just right before it's time to sit down and eat.

[statnerds]

Answer my question, how did the almighty RR do in 2010? I've already pointed out why +155 a year and a half before an election when the GOP candidates are currently way behind is a stupid idea. Answer my question already Mr. 24 months in a year.

1. Name 1 thing, just 1, obama did wrong. 2+ years and you can't come up with 1 thing?

2. Mathematically prove 155 being a fair value line. Not +155. If the line is 165/145 we are assuming a no-vig fair value line of 155.

See the problem with libs is that they attack people and spread lies. They will lose any debate because their positions are based in theory, not reality. Much like Media Matters declaring war on Fox News and promising to "sabotage" them. They cannot debate the ideas presented by Fox News, so they must attack the people. They cannot win in the arena of ideas, so the must resort to attempting to silence opposition.

Libs want to believe Israel is evil and not Islam. But one of those two flew two planes into buildings killing 3,000 Americans, stabbed a 3 month old baby to death and celebrated it in the streets, beheaded a journalist (Daniel Pearl) and a hippie tree hugger (Nick Berg) on videotape, and has waged war on Christianity since it's inception. The other one Israel.

Energy independence? libs outlaw drilling here, with barry banning it in the Gulf of Mexico, but then they turn around and give Brazil a fukkton of money to drill off their coast?

You want everyone to use less electricity, but then you push electric cars?

Libs are for Blacks and Women, unless it is Clarence Thomas or Sarah Palin.

You have no all encompassing, rational philosophy concerning life and constantly fail to recognize that actions present consequences.

[The Madcap]

You see a guy that is as delusional as you would be the real problem the country is facing today. The guy got dealt the biggest pile of shit in our history.

Yes let's talk delusional.

How about delusional hyperbole. Such as "the biggest pile of shit in our history."

I'm pretty sure Andrew Johnson got dealt a bigger pile of shit.

And Herbert Hoover.

And FDR.

And Truman.

And Nixon.


What Obama got dealt is probably somewhere between Eisnehower and Ford.

[wiffle]

If the line is 165/145 we are assuming a no-vig fair value line of 155.

you can assume that, but i will assume a no vig line of +/- 153

[Thor4140]

Thor,

do you know what the "hopper" is?

I'm guessing you don't.

Well if you did, you'd know that at any given time there are dozens of bills being discussed in congress at any given time. And dozens more on deck. Some laws have more legs than others. These laws appear to you to have been a priority, when in reality, they are what were ready to go.

Think about it like cooking dinner. Say the main course is steak. And for sides you've got baked potatoes and corn on the cob. Well you're going to toss them potatoes in the oven and the corn on the grill long before the steak. But eventually, after you've seasoned/marinated your steak, and it's had time to soak up some flavor, well then you toss it on the grill and bring it off right when the potatoes are coming out of the oven. And your dinner is ready to go.

Legislation is quite similar. Some things take a long time to prepare, but cook fast. Other's prepare easy, but take a long time to cook.

The GOP's plans for the economy are not the sorts of things that they are going to just toss out on the floor just to get things rolling. They need to marinate. They need to figure out what they can do, and where they are votes short. Writing/passing legislation ain't like microwaving a TV dinner. It's more like simmering a stew, or slow grilling a steak, waiting for everything to be just right before it's time to sit down and eat.

Are u kidding me with this post. Seriously really? The GOP has had the same old tired ideas they have had for decades and will have the same ones again. Trickle down economics which only help one group of people and that is it. If it wasn't for the weakness of the other party these shit bags would be taken out back and shot.

[The Madcap]

The GOP has had the same old tired ideas they have had for decades and will have the same ones again.

You liberals see so much, and yet realize so very little.

First you bash the GOP for not focusing on the economy, and then you bash them for not having any new ideas, without even considering the possibility that in order for their economic approach to succeed they have to figure out a new way to sell their ideas.

So many see it like you do, that the GOP has had the "same old tired ideas they have had for decades." Hence why they've got to marinate that steak, spice it up a bit differently, before they throw it on the grill. And why they might go ahead and bake their potatoes and cook their corn until everything is in place for the main course.

Things take time Thor. Policy windows are often small and narrow, and you can't just jam something through just to get it done. The people will revolt. A lesson Obama and the Dems are learning the hard way because of the shameless nature with which they passed health care reform.

Whatever the GOP has in store, they know, (or at least they should know by now,) if they are rash and clumsy about it, it will fail. They need time to massage some shoulders and scratch some backs. And once they've gotten everybody comfortable, then they will go about trying to pass some serious economic legislation.

They could be buying their time till 2012. Wouldn't blame them. They only have the House right now. Serious economic reforms will require control of the Senate as well. If they can't get that, whatever they want to impose will get shot down.

[Thor4140]

You liberals see so much, and yet realize so very little.

First you bash the GOP for not focusing on the economy, and then you bash them for not having any new ideas, without even considering the possibility that in order for their economic approach to succeed they have to figure out a new way to sell their ideas.

So many see it like you do, that the GOP has had the "same old tired ideas they have had for decades." Hence why they've got to marinate that steak, spice it up a bit differently, before they throw it on the grill. And why they might go ahead and bake their potatoes and cook their corn until everything is in place for the main course.

Things take time Thor. Policy windows are often small and narrow, and you can't just jam something through just to get it done. The people will revolt. A lesson Obama and the Dems are learning the hard way because of the shameless nature with which they passed health care reform.

Whatever the GOP has in store, they know, (or at least they should know by now,) if they are rash and clumsy about it, it will fail. They need time to massage some shoulders and scratch some backs. And once they've gotten everybody comfortable, then they will go about trying to pass some serious economic legislation.

They could be buying their time till 2012. Wouldn't blame them. They only have the House right now. Serious economic reforms will require control of the Senate as well. If they can't get that, whatever they want to impose will get shot down.

They had six years of total control with the supreme court and their ideas are why we are in the mess to begin with u jackass. Now u say they are sitting back studying up crafting their plans. Funny guy lol, lol, oooooooooooooh, lol.

[pavyracer]

When Obama is re-elected the right wingers will be celebrating too because it will be only 4 years left until he is gone for good.

[The Madcap]

They had six years of total control with the supreme court and their ideas are why we are in the mess to begin with u jackass. Now u say they are sitting back studying up crafting their plans. Funny guy lol, lol, oooooooooooooh, lol.

You just don't get it do you?

As people change, so do the viability of political ideas. Passing any sort of major universal healthcare law in the U.S. was an absolute pipedream 10 years ago. Yet here we are. Bush's GOP is not today's GOP. What they did, and what many in charge now want to do, are completely separate issues.

But what the fuk do you know about it anyway?

Please, tell us oh wise one, how did their ideas get us in this mess? And what is this "mess" anyway? And how do you propose we get out of it?

Please, what are your answers?

Criticizing others is pointless unless you can articulate why you are right. Convince me, Thor. Please. Swing down the thunderous hammers of your wisdom upon me.

[Hotdiggity11]

1. Name 1 thing, just 1, obama did wrong. 2+ years and you can't come up with 1 thing?

2. Mathematically prove 155 being a fair value line. Not +155. If the line is 165/145 we are assuming a no-vig fair value line of 155.

See the problem with libs is that they attack people and spread lies. They will lose any debate because their positions are based in theory, not reality. Much like Media Matters declaring war on Fox News and promising to "sabotage" them. They cannot debate the ideas presented by Fox News, so they must attack the people. They cannot win in the arena of ideas, so the must resort to attempting to silence opposition.

Libs want to believe Israel is evil and not Islam. But one of those two flew two planes into buildings killing 3,000 Americans, stabbed a 3 month old baby to death and celebrated it in the streets, beheaded a journalist (Daniel Pearl) and a hippie tree hugger (Nick Berg) on videotape, and has waged war on Christianity since it's inception. The other one Israel.

Energy independence? libs outlaw drilling here, with barry banning it in the Gulf of Mexico, but then they turn around and give Brazil a fukkton of money to drill off their coast?

You want everyone to use less electricity, but then you push electric cars?

Libs are for Blacks and Women, unless it is Clarence Thomas or Sarah Palin.

You have no all encompassing, rational philosophy concerning life and constantly fail to recognize that actions present consequences.

Answer my question, how did the almighty RR do in 2010?

[Hotdiggity11]

You just don't get it do you?

As people change, so do the viability of political ideas. Passing any sort of major universal healthcare law in the U.S. was an absolute pipedream 10 years ago. Yet here we are. Bush's GOP is not today's GOP. What they did, and what many in charge now want to do, are completely separate issues.

But what the fuk do you know about it anyway?

Please, tell us oh wise one, how did their ideas get us in this mess? And what is this "mess" anyway? And how do you propose we get out of it?

Please, what are your answers?

Criticizing others is pointless unless you can articulate why you are right. Convince me, Thor. Please. Swing down the thunderous hammers of your wisdom upon me.

The GOP haven't changed since the Goldwater Era. They love big government when they are in charge, they are small government advocates when in the minority. There are a few people who are consistent such as Ron Paul but they are in a very small minority. Some may say "Well, the Tea Party has changed this" but it really hasn't. They are akin to the people who got elected during the 1994 takeover, many of the same individuals who were in charge throughout the GWB Administration 6 years later. The only things that changes are the cast of characters.