Do rich white people ever go to jail?

[SoV]

If a rich person makes his fortune fraudulently and then gets convicted in court and loses everything when he goes to jail is he considered a rich person or a poor person?

You and your questions

Also, conviction does not have much to do with colour, wealth etc. Just the facts on which the case is based.

[Chimneyfish]

You're assuming that everyone in the country commits crimes equally, so it would only make sense for everyone to be equally represented in jails and prisons. That's just not true. The fact of the matter is that some types of people are much more likely to commit a crime than other types of people. Take rich people and poor people, for example; the average black NBA millionaire is much less likely to be a criminal than the average black poor person. It's kind of ridiculous to assume that everybody acts exactly the same and every type of culture produces an equal number of criminals.

It's also dumb when people use prison race statistics alone to conclude that the system must be racist. "Blacks are 50% of the prison population but only 13% of the US population, therefore every judge and jury is racist!" Yet why doesn't anyone ever use that same reasoning to criticize the prison system for being sexist against men? Because everyone acknowledges the fact that men are disproportionally represented in prison because men commit a disproportional amount of the crime.

Also- are you really saying that Roethlisberger should have been sent to prison based solely on public opinion, despite never having been charged with a crime? What should the DA have done when it didn't have any evidence against him? Just plow right on ahead with the trial out of fear that they might come off racist since he's white?

[pavyracer]

the average black NBA millionaire is much less likely to be a criminal than the average black poor person?

But if you subtract pro athletes or ex pro athletes, rappers, musicians or actors how many black persons are millionaires? I'm talking about someone who became a millionaire by starting his own business from scratch. Not many and these guys probably will not committ crimes.

[Chimneyfish]

I didn't see anything you wrote in this thread, I was responding to bettilimbroke999's original post. My point was just that there'e less rich people in prison than poor people because rich people commit less crimes.

[ab1183]

Well first off there aint that many rich black ppl, 2ndly they got years in prison hard to call that a slap on the wrist except for Arenas who was basically found guilty of nothing

Also yes OJ was found innocent so hes living the good life playing golf right now, man those blacks that get off are lucky

OJ is in prison for felony kidnapping, armed robbery and a bunch of other shit.

[bettilimbroke999]

OJ is in prison for felony kidnapping, armed robbery and a bunch of other shit.

I know I was being sarcastic, the one rich black guy that got off immediately got setup and sent to prison for 33 years for trying to get his stolen football memorabilia back which probably wouldve gotten him about a month normally (double jeopardy anyone?)

[Dutch]

It's not a race thing. Plenty of white trash idiots get locked up every day. It's about being dumb as shit. Rich people aren't the ones sticking up liquor stores on camera or shooting someone and then rolling around with the murder weapon still in their car. Rich people aren't known for being dumb. They're not going to do risky illegal stuff out of desperation either.

[Chimneyfish]

(double jeopardy anyone?)

What does double jeopardy have to do with it?

[ttwarrior1]

more rich whites go to jail then rich blacks so this post is a FAIL

[EmpireMaker]

Okay obviously if the entire reason for your wealth is crime you will probably go to jail (Madoff, Enron, mafia), I was really referring to ppl who were legitimately rich outside of their crimes and then separately committed crimes which sent them to jail, not ppl who were sent to prison for the crimes that made them rich.

I see guys like Gilbert Arenas, Vick, Burress, OJ (though he temporarily was free he ended up getting like 30 years for trying to get his stolen football stuff back ) getting tossed in jail for years but meanwhile Sheen is openly buying literally briefcases of cocaine bricks and beating the shit/shooting/threatening to kill ex gfs/wives and never serving an hour, Robert Downey was arrested like 600 times and got rehab, Rothlisberger I mean lets face it this guy is a legit rapist not like Kobe who had to pay the biggest whore in Colorado millions to be quiet after she came up to his room to **** and then claimed rape even though they found like 10 different guys semen in her hole.

The law enforcement in this country might as well where a white hood, since Im white I dont mind it of course but the justice system is ****** for blacks.

3 of these 4 used guns
How many times did Micheal Jackson get away with illegal perscription drugs and inappropriate contact with young boys ? Souldn't he have been locked up for a large number of years?
OJ got away with double murder

[bettilimbroke999]

What does double jeopardy have to do with it?

So basically you are found innocent of murder but the next time you jaywalk you're given a 33 year sentence, Im not saying he didnt deserve to be found guilty of course he did but still in this country if you're found innocent you're innocent, its hard to believe getting off for the double murder didnt drastically increase his punishment for stealing back football cards or whatever the joke charge was

[Chimneyfish]

That's not what double jeopardy means. Double jeopardy involves being charged twice on the same count- not two completely different cases over 10 years apart from each other. Being found not guilty in one trial doesn't mean you get a pass to never be convicted of another crime again.

I realize that you're exaggerating when you say jaywalking, but his charges were a lot more serious that just some little infraction. He was convicted of multiple felonies for things like kidnapping and assault with a deadly weapon. Some of those felony convictions carry mandatory minimums, and all together they added up to a maximum of life. A 33 year sentence with the possibility of parole in just nine years doesn't seem unfairly harsh compared to life in prison.

[sharpcat]

Who did Vick, Burress, Arenas, etc etc etc murder or rob? Had Kobe not paid the biggest whore in the state millions bc he was one of 10 guys whose semen was found inside of her during the rape test (the other 9 that day she apparently was in love with she just came up to Kobes hotel room to discuss politics) hed prolly have gotten a couple years

Vick murdered dozens of innocent animals because they failed to produce him profits in his dog fighting ring.

Burress and arenas Did not rob anybody but I now see why you are confused, you obviously know nothing about the law. POSSESSION OF ILLEGAL/CONCEALED FIREARMS WITHOUT A PERMIT IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE AND CARRIES A MANDATORY 5 YEAR SENTENCE. When you are stupid/irresponsible enough to shoot yourself in the leg while carrying an illegal concealed firearm in a night club than you most definately should serve more jail time than someone like Charlie Sheen or Robert Downey who are no threat to anybody but themselves.

What if it was your sister/brother that burress accidentally shot? There is a reason that there is a lengthy procedure to get a permit to carry firearms and there is a reason that these firearms must be registered, there is no reason to carry around a concealed unregistered firearm unless you feel that you may kill someone and will therefore need an unregistered weapon to dump in the river.

Absolutely no comparison between crimes involving illegal weapons that can end someones life in a second and 2 guys with substance abuse problems. Any crime involving a firearm becomes a violent crime, violent crimes result in lengthy prison sentences.

If you want to start a "white man trying to hold the black man down" rant try to find something more comparable, which in the 30 years I've been listening to this BS I have yet to hear.

[sharpcat]

So basically you are found innocent of murder but the next time you jaywalk you're given a 33 year sentence, Im not saying he didnt deserve to be found guilty of course he did but still in this country if you're found innocent you're innocent, its hard to believe getting off for the double murder didnt drastically increase his punishment for stealing back football cards or whatever the joke charge was

If you are waving a firearm in peoples faces and holding people hostage while jaywalking, then yes you will likely go to jail for 33 years for "jaywalking".

AGAIN FIREARMS!!!!!!!!!!!

[mikejamm]

In the grand scheme of things, it's really all about economics. Blacks and low income minorities are more likely to commit crimes because of less job opportunities, declining schools, and governments inability and selfishness to do what's right to help advance our ever increasing numbers of families falling way below the poverty level. When a rich person black, white or whatever commits a crime you only hear about it because they are just that, rich. And most of these idiots are just plain stupid, like OJ or Jason Williams, but if you have money, even rich idiots can "buy" their way out of it by hiring at team of lawyers, which white people seem to be very good at! So yes, rich white people do sometimes go to jail, just not for very long. All these judges, who were once lawyers know how the big money game is played.

[pavyracer]

I didn't see anything you wrote in this thread, I was responding to bettilimbroke999's original post. My point was just that there'e less rich people in prison than poor people because rich people commit less crimes.

I was responding to your post. What I said is if you take a white millionaire and a black millionaire who earned their money by starting their own businesses and became succesful through hard work they will not committ crimes once they become successfull regardless of color.

[Flexin]

White people do not use handguns in the crimes they commit, they do not commit violent crimes. What rich blacks have gone to jail? OJ Simpson- likely murdered his wife and robbed/kidnapped some one at gun point. Michael Vick- Brutally murdered dogs who were not successful in his for profit dog fighting ring. Plexico Burress- Felony gun violation. TI/Lil Wayne/ every other Rapper- Felony gun violations. Enough with the "poor me" black guy crap I am getting soo tired of hearing this crap every day!!!!!!

White people don't use hand guns in crimes? They don't commit violent crimes? Take a quick look at Google and get back to this thread.

Well first off there aint that many rich black ppl, 2ndly they got years in prison hard to call that a slap on the wrist except for Arenas who was basically found guilty of nothing Also yes OJ was found innocent so hes living the good life playing golf right now, man those blacks that get off are lucky

There are lots of rich black people.

James

[Flexin]

I didn't see anything you wrote in this thread, I was responding to bettilimbroke999's original post. My point was just that there'e less rich people in prison than poor people because rich people commit less crimes.

The rich still commit crimes. Just different crimes. And some of the dirty crimes they pay others to do.

I know I was being sarcastic, the one rich black guy that got off immediately got setup and sent to prison for 33 years for trying to get his stolen football memorabilia back which probably wouldve gotten him about a month normally (double jeopardy anyone?)

OJ made a stupid decision when he went to get his stuff back. He is too high profile for that BS. He should have went to the police. He screwed up big time.

James

[Flexin]

Yes rich white people go to jail. Watch a show called American Greed. I watch it every now and then and it could be just the luck of the draw but with the episodes I have watched, I say 60-75% are white. And they do serve time.

James

[HenryHill]

You're an idiot. Lindsay Lohan goes to jail all the time.

I may get buried for making the following statement, but its the cold hard truth: minorities (blacks and latinos) commit the majority of crimes, and therefore are sent to prison in bigger numbers. Its not because they are black and latino, its bc they commit lots of crimes. Race has nothing to do with it.

Moron.

[Flexin]

You're an idiot. Lindsay Lohan goes to jail all the time. I may get buried for making the following statement, but its the cold hard truth: minorities (blacks and latinos) commit the majority of crimes, and therefore are sent to prison in bigger numbers. Its not because they are black and latino, its bc they commit lots of crimes. Race has nothing to do with it. Moron.

Not true. There is a report from 04 that shows that whites committed almost 1000 more murders then blacks. % wise its higher for blacks but the total is lower.

James

[bettilimbroke999]

Not true. There is a report from 04 that shows that whites committed almost 1000 more murders then blacks. % wise its higher for blacks but the total is lower.

James

Not sure where you found that report but the rate of homicide offenses per 100k population is 7x greater for blacks than for whites, meaning blacks are 7x more likely to pop a cap in yo ass than a white devil

[The Madcap]

In the grand scheme of things, it's really all about economics. Blacks and low income minorities are more likely to commit crimes because of less job opportunities, declining schools, and governments inability and selfishness to do what's right to help advance our ever increasing numbers of families falling way below the poverty level. When a rich person black, white or whatever commits a crime you only hear about it because they are just that, rich. And most of these idiots are just plain stupid, like OJ or Jason Williams, but if you have money, even rich idiots can "buy" their way out of it by hiring at team of lawyers, which white people seem to be very good at! So yes, rich white people do sometimes go to jail, just not for very long. All these judges, who were once lawyers know how the big money game is played.

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to hear what you think is "what's right to help advance our ever increasing numbers of families falling way below the poverty level."

Cause the way I see it, there are three reasons and three reasons only why a person doesn't have a job:

1) They don't want one
2) They don't need one
3) They don't believe they should have to have one

And that's it. And none of those thoughts can be changed by anybody but themselves.

And "declining schools" decline because of the students. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, how great the teachers you hire, how small the class sizes are, how advanced and accessible your teaching technology is, none of this will ever matter, nor will improvements in these areas ever solve the so called "achievement gap" as long as the students who are behind have guardians who continually fail to instill in them the values of those students who succeed. It is no coincidence that the students who care about learning are those who learn. It is no coincidence that the students who respect their classmates and teachers succeed. It is no coincidence that the students who have no respect for education also have no respect for their teachers or school property. It is no coincidence that these are the schools in "decline." If a child is not reared to carry himself with dignity, and to grant the same to others, success in the classroom will never be found.

This social justice argument is just another bullshit excuse for pansies afraid to call a spade a spade and throw deserving criminals behind bars. Every major city has poor whites, poor blacks, and poor Hispanics. And just about every major city has some ethnic gang like MS-13, or the Crips and Bloods. But how many white gangs are out there? They can't be found. Know why? Because we don't tolerate that bullshit. And that's why you can only find them way the hell out in the middle of nowhere like Idaho, Montana, and Arkansas. Yes poor people are more likely to commit crime. But people who commit crimes do so not because they are poor, but for the same reasons they are poor. They are degenerate **** ups unwilling to accept that moving up in the world takes hard work and sacrifice.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Rich, White people only go to jail when they try to rip off other Rich, White people.

[Flexin]

Not sure where you found that report but the rate of homicide offenses per 100k population is 7x greater for blacks than for whites, meaning blacks are 7x more likely to pop a cap in yo ass than a white devil

First of all your looking at 1976-2005. I said 2004. And yes as a percentage of the population it was higher in blacks but as far as a total amount of murders it was higher in whites. 5053 for whites, 4887 for blacks.

James

[Flexin]

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to hear what you think is "what's right to help advance our ever increasing numbers of families falling way below the poverty level." Cause the way I see it, there are three reasons and three reasons only why a person doesn't have a job: 1) They don't want one 2) They don't need one 3) They don't believe they should have to have one And that's it. And none of those thoughts can be changed by anybody but themselves. And "declining schools" decline because of the students. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, how great the teachers you hire, how small the class sizes are, how advanced and accessible your teaching technology is, none of this will ever matter, nor will improvements in these areas ever solve the so called "achievement gap" as long as the students who are behind have guardians who continually fail to instill in them the values of those students who succeed. It is no coincidence that the students who care about learning are those who learn. It is no coincidence that the students who respect their classmates and teachers succeed. It is no coincidence that the students who have no respect for education also have no respect for their teachers or school property. It is no coincidence that these are the schools in "decline." If a child is not reared to carry himself with dignity, and to grant the same to others, success in the classroom will never be found. This social justice argument is just another bullshit excuse for pansies afraid to call a spade a spade and throw deserving criminals behind bars. Every major city has poor whites, poor blacks, and poor Hispanics. And just about every major city has some ethnic gang like MS-13, or the Crips and Bloods. But how many white gangs are out there? They can't be found. Know why? Because we don't tolerate that bullshit. And that's why you can only find them way the hell out in the middle of nowhere like Idaho, Montana, and Arkansas. Yes poor people are more likely to commit crime. But people who commit crimes do so not because they are poor, but for the same reasons they are poor. They are degenerate **** ups unwilling to accept that moving up in the world takes hard work and sacrifice.

Your joking about there not being white gangs right? Have you ever heard of a little gang called the Hells Angels? You might not of if you live under a rock. nazi low riders? There are white gangs and as someone pointed out on another site, all the first gangs were white.

James

[Chimneyfish]

I was responding to your post. What I said is if you take a white millionaire and a black millionaire who earned their money by starting their own businesses and became succesful through hard work they will not committ crimes once they become successfull regardless of color.

Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing here.

[PRiiMO]

i just plead to 6yrs in the canadian federal penitentiary and im white

[bettilimbroke999]

First of all your looking at 1976-2005. I said 2004. And yes as a percentage of the population it was higher in blacks but as far as a total amount of murders it was higher in whites. 5053 for whites, 4887 for blacks.

James

No one cares about the # all anyone cares about is %, if theres 7x as many white ppl as black but the # of murders committed by each group is the same that means blacks have to commit homicides at 7x the rate to make up for having 1/7th the population of whites

[Chimneyfish]

The rich still commit crimes. Just different crimes. And some of the dirty crimes they pay others to do.

Who said otherwise? I pointed out the fact that rich people commit less crimes than poor people. That's not the same as saying "No rich people are criminals" or "All poor people are criminals."

[Flexin]

No one cares about the # all anyone cares about is %, if theres 7x as many white ppl as black but the # of murders committed by each group is the same that means blacks have to commit homicides at 7x the rate to make up for having 1/7th the population of whites

I'm sure the 5053 families of the of the victims are relived that even though there family members were killed by someone that is white its a small percentage of the white population. I'm sure it makes them feel better.

James

[The Madcap]

Your joking about there not being white gangs right? Have you ever heard of a little gang called the Hells Angels? You might not of if you live under a rock. nazi low riders? There are white gangs and as someone pointed out on another site, all the first gangs were white.

James

Jesus H. Christ you ask a lot of questions for somebody that apparently can't fukking read.

And how many of those first white gangs are still around?

I've probably traveled to 75-80% of the hundred largest cities in America, and never once have I had a concierge warn me to be on the lookout for Hells Angels or neo-nazis. You know why? Because we ran those fukkers out of town.

I never denied their existence shit for brains. Of course they exist. But WHERE do they exist? Not in New York City. Not in Detroit. Not in Los Angeles. Not in Chicago. They exist in bum fuk no where because good people stood up to them and said get the fuk out. We had the cops beat them and kick them and stomp them into submission years ago so they'd stop robbing our stores and kidnapping our daughters. And they've never come back. But we don't do that to MS-13 or the Crips or Bloods. Know why? Because of politically correct pussies like you who would rather argue some minute irrelevant fuking detail to appease the race whores than stand up and tell those fukheads there's no excuse for killing and robbing people.

[Tree Rollins]

Rich people in general can get off for almost anything. OJ cut off two peoples heads and got away with it.

[Flexin]

Here is an interesting fact from 04.

White murder against...
White 3123
Blacks 228
Other race 42
Unknown 34

Black murder against...
White 522
Blacks 2784
Other race 23
Unknown 15

James

[Flexin]

Jesus H. Christ you ask a lot of questions for somebody that apparently can't fukking read. And how many of those first white gangs are still around? I've probably traveled to 75-80% of the hundred largest cities in America, and never once have I had a concierge warn me to be on the lookout for Hells Angels or neo-nazis. You know why? Because we ran those fukkers out of town. I never denied their existence shit for brains. Of course they exist. But WHERE do they exist? Not in New York City. Not in Detroit. Not in Los Angeles. Not in Chicago. They exist in bum fuk no where because good people stood up to them and said get the fuk out. We had the cops beat them and kick them and stomp them into submission years ago so they'd stop robbing our stores and kidnapping our daughters. And they've never come back. But we don't do that to MS-13 or the Crips or Bloods. Know why? Because of politically correct pussies like you who would rather argue some minute irrelevant fuking detail to appease the race whores than stand up and tell those fukheads there's no excuse for killing and robbing people.

Who can't read? You can't read if you think I care what color a gang member is. They all need to go down, white, black, Asian and what ever. So you are very wrong there. And I feel the cops trying to take them down should have as much fire power or more then the gangs they are trying to take down. You don't know me.

And when did you kick them out he motorcycle gangs? Yesterday? Members of the Pagan motorcycle gang was arrested for trying to take out the Hells Angels last September, in New York.

James