Hank Steinbrenner will ruin the Yankees

BrUno0 · 04-21-08, 04:31 PM

Wasn't he the guy who said Tori's job depended on one game?

before the game even started in the middle of the play offs?

thegreatdiatchi · 04-21-08, 04:33 PM

Umm. I think the Yanks will be fine regardless of who the owner is. They are and will always be a big money ballclub until MLB finally puts down a salary cap.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-21-08, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by thegreatdiatchi

Umm. I think the Yanks will be fine regardless of who the owner is. They are and will always be a big money ballclub until MLB finally puts down a salary cap.

you dont think a bad owner can ruin a franchise?

mofome · 04-21-08, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

This guy just doesnt have the "touch" good ol' Georgey boy did. Hank is a total power hungrary moron and will ruin the yankee greatness slowly...

Any thoughts?

Then again, the only times the yanks won were when 'good ol' georgey boy' was suspended by the league.

SBR Lou · 04-21-08, 04:44 PM

A guy made a good point on Mike & The Mad Dog today..

Joba SHOULD start.. What's the sense having him in the bullpen when you're down 6-0..?? What's his value to the organization?

If the kid is so talented, and he definitely is, it's a waste only utilizing him to secure a small lead seeing as how our starting pitcher rotation is NOT taking us to the playoffs unless we outscore our opponents by 6 runs a game..

mofome · 04-21-08, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by crazyl

A guy made a good point on Mike & The Mad Dog today..

Joba SHOULD start.. What's the sense having him in the bullpen when you're down 6-0..?? What's his value to the organization?

If the kid is so talented, and he definitely is, it's a waste only utilizing him to secure a small lead seeing as how our starting pitcher rotation is NOT taking us to the playoffs unless we outscore our opponents by 6 runs a game..

That point is made all the time. Of course you want your best pitchers pitching as many quality innings as possible.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-21-08, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by crazyl

A guy made a good point on Mike & The Mad Dog today..

Joba SHOULD start.. What's the sense having him in the bullpen when you're down 6-0..?? What's his value to the organization?

If the kid is so talented, and he definitely is, it's a waste only utilizing him to secure a small lead seeing as how our starting pitcher rotation is NOT taking us to the playoffs unless we outscore our opponents by 6 runs a game..

I have to disagree with ya pal...I think cashman is finally doing the right thing...hes building up the younger guys...joba is no diffrent...Is he a great pitcher? YES...but they are looking for the long run...keep him as a setup man and see what happens...also, he could become a starter and then totally bomb out...then where would you go from there?

SBR Lou · 04-21-08, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

I have to disagree with ya pal...I think cashman is finally doing the right thing...hes building up the younger guys...joba is no diffrent...Is he a great pitcher? YES...but they are looking for the long run...keep him as a setup man and see what happens...also, he could become a starter and then totally bomb out...then where would you go from there?

What's the point of having him pitch an inning or two with the lead, when our starting pitchers aside from Wong and Pettitte are going to get knocked out of the game more often than not..??

We need another starter, if he is as great as I think he is, he's more valuable helping us maintain a lead than he is saving one late in game. We already have our closer, let the bullpen step up for relief and let Joba start. Joba, Wong, Pettite, and hope our young starters can deliver. Mussina is a lost cause... Tired of his ass.

Our offense will be there, but it is NOT good enough to bail our starters out all year... Our starters and even most of our bullpen sucks... Need all the quality starters we can get.

thegreatdiatchi · 04-21-08, 05:15 PM

The Yanks need an endless flow of pitching prospects (sort of what Detroit had for a while there). That will be the only way the pitching woes are fixed long-term. However, I consider the team at a low-point now. Once the engine goes on again they will make it to the playoffs only to burn out - once again because of their pitching.

rjt721 · 04-21-08, 05:16 PM

Do you Yankee fans really want the likes of Hawkins and/or Bruney replacing Joba in the 8th inning role? As the pen is presently constituted, a Yanks lead through 7 and the game's basically over.

Moving Joba this season would be a huge mistake (as such, I hope it happens). They would have to send him down to the minors for a few weeks, at which time NYY would have a hole in both the back of the pen and the rotation.

It's pretty simple for the Yankees - if they continue to get nothing from Hughes and Kennedy, they aren't going anywhere whether Joba's in the pen or the rotation.

SBR Lou · 04-21-08, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by rjt721

It's pretty simple for the Yankees - if they continue to get nothing from Hughes and Kennedy, they aren't going anywhere whether Joba's in the pen or the rotation.

Agree, but it would be nice to at least have the confidence that a guy besides Wong or Pettite can go out there and put the Yankees in a position to win, maybe only giving up a couple runs...

I don't have that confidence for Mussina, Hughes, or Kennedy... And as far as the bullpen is concerned, I don't have much confidence there either. I think if they intend to use Joba as a starter, they should at least make that decision sooner rather than later.

element1286 · 04-21-08, 05:29 PM

It would be best if the Yankees would pitch Joba for 2-4 innings at a time twice per week. That would allow him to contribute to the team, protect his arm, and still allow hit to take spot starts with limited pitch counts when necessary. The Twins did the same thing with Santana for a couple of years. He is going to be a starter in the long run.

ChuteBoxe · 04-21-08, 05:38 PM

Even if Joba starts we need a solid set-up man. Who gets that job? Do you waste Ohlendorf (our only decent LR)? Do you waste Hughes or Kennedy in that spot? Do you trust in Brian Bruney or LaTroy Hawkins? Or do you package someone to bring in a set-up man?

mofome · 04-21-08, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by ChuteBoxe

Even if Joba starts we need a solid set-up man. Who gets that job? Do you waste Ohlendorf (our only decent LR)? Do you waste Hughes or Kennedy in that spot? Do you trust in Brian Bruney or LaTroy Hawkins? Or do you package someone to bring in a set-up man?

kennedy at set up man may be the worst idea ive ever heard of. let BB take the job.

element1286 · 04-21-08, 05:46 PM

Maybe the Yankees just need to ride out their young guys, and not try to win now. If they let Hughes and Chamberlain develop they could have something special. They are not going to win the World Series. It would be stupid for the Yankees to sacrifice any of the future to make a run with a mediocre team.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-21-08, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by element1286

It would be best if the Yankees would pitch Joba for 2-4 innings at a time twice per week. That would allow him to contribute to the team, protect his arm, and still allow hit to take spot starts with limited pitch counts when necessary. The Twins did the same thing with Santana for a couple of years. He is going to be a starter in the long run.

JBC77 · 04-21-08, 06:09 PM

Lets give the guy more than six months before we make a call on his ability. The Yankees seem to finally understand that youth is an economically sound way to proceed. Talent wise as well as price. This is a concept the "old man" could never grasp.