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  • Cloak & Dagger
    SBR MVP
    • 11-15-07
    • 4781

    #1
    Info about CW grading.....Look Here
    well kids....here I am again looking out for you the player with some real good information about how these guys operate

    lets say you did a parlay YESTERDAY.....2 teams

    and you lost....as in the first team lost

    but the second team was oh say...a NBA game on sunday

    DID YOU KNOW CW WILL LEAVE THE BET AS PENDING UNTIL THE GAME ON SUNDAY IS COMPLETE

    EVEN THOUGH THE PARLAY IS ALREADY A LOSER


    hmm

    no other book in the history of gambling would do this....any book rated that ive played offshore for the last 10 years takes down a losing parlay as soon as 1 team loses in that said parlay.....and WOULD NEVER keep it as pending

    the reason why CW does this....is....to cut your limits down if you wish to be that team

    let me explain.....they keep it as pending so whatever amount you bet on that losing parlay....goes tword money that they see as already being wagered on the game....therefore if you bet say the max $50 on the losing parlay....you now have $50 pending on the other game until it goes final....EVEN THOUGH THE TICKET IS A LOSER



    straight bush league......

    any feedback from non touts about this particular issue is welcomed here in this thread

    how can a losing ticket still show as pending???
  • Shark79
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-19-07
    • 11211

    #2
    Crazyl and Pimike should be here ... in ... lets say ... 5 mins
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    • Cloak & Dagger
      SBR MVP
      • 11-15-07
      • 4781

      #3
      Originally posted by Shark79
      Crazyl and Pimike should be here ... in ... lets say ... 5 mins
      lmfao...what...to tell us this is a A+ book

      or to lie some more??

      have you ever heard of a book keeping a losing parlay bet as "pending?"
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      • Shark79
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-19-07
        • 11211

        #4
        Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
        lmfao...what...to tell us this is a A+ book

        or to lie some more??

        have you ever heard of a book keeping a losing parlay bet as "pending?"
        Never ... but hey .. only an A++ book could/would
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        • Cloak & Dagger
          SBR MVP
          • 11-15-07
          • 4781

          #5
          Originally posted by Shark79
          Never ... but hey .. only an A++ book could/would
          A++++++++++ baby
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            They do not seem to know what they are doing
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            • Cloak & Dagger
              SBR MVP
              • 11-15-07
              • 4781

              #7
              Originally posted by jjgold
              They do not seem to know what they are doing
              straight out the coaches mouth boys

              stay AWAY
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              • SBR Lou
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 08-02-07
                • 37863

                #8


                If you don't want to play there, don't.

                I really don't care. They've paid me twice now. And others. It's a little strange how someone who rips them with every waking moment he's online continues to play there, but then again shot taking is what some people like to do.
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                • robmpink
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-09-07
                  • 13205

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                  well kids....here I am again looking out for you the player with some real good information about how these guys operate

                  lets say you did a parlay YESTERDAY.....2 teams

                  and you lost....as in the first team lost

                  but the second team was oh say...a NBA game on sunday

                  DID YOU KNOW CW WILL LEAVE THE BET AS PENDING UNTIL THE GAME ON SUNDAY IS COMPLETE

                  EVEN THOUGH THE PARLAY IS ALREADY A LOSER


                  hmm

                  no other book in the history of gambling would do this....any book rated that ive played offshore for the last 10 years takes down a losing parlay as soon as 1 team loses in that said parlay.....and WOULD NEVER keep it as pending

                  the reason why CW does this....is....to cut your limits down if you wish to be that team

                  let me explain.....they keep it as pending so whatever amount you bet on that losing parlay....goes tword money that they see as already being wagered on the game....therefore if you bet say the max $50 on the losing parlay....you now have $50 pending on the other game until it goes final....EVEN THOUGH THE TICKET IS A LOSER



                  straight bush league......

                  any feedback from non touts about this particular issue is welcomed here in this thread

                  how can a losing ticket still show as pending???

                  I wonder how I was able to get a max straight bet in last week then do a max bet parlay with the same team in it?

                  Since you seem to be talking out of your ass I bet the max on the over in the Mets game. Then I did a max wager parlay with the over in the Mets game and Boston.


                  Next time ask the book before you speculate. This way you won't look like such a fool.


                  (Play) [Pending: $75.00] Parlay (ML): 2 teams. Risking $75.00, to win $117.45. Ticket Id:xxxxx
                  Major League Baseball | National League
                  Total over 7½ -125 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB]
                  American League
                  BOS -235 [Both] on TEX [L Mendoza -R] - BOS [D Matsuzak -R] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB]
                  Fri, Apr 18 5:32PM
                  2. [Pending] $187.50 (Play) [Pending: $187.50] Straight bet. Risking $187.50, to win $150.00. Ticket Id:xxxxx
                  Major League Baseball | National League
                  Total over 7½ -125 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB]
                  Fri, Apr 18 5:04PM
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                  • Cloak & Dagger
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-15-07
                    • 4781

                    #10
                    Originally posted by crazyl


                    If you don't want to play there, don't.

                    I really don't care. They've paid me twice now. And others. It's a little strange how someone who rips them with every waking moment he's online continues to play there, but then again shot taking is what some people like to do.
                    as a 'player' there...I just want to warn people about their lying employees AND their bush league tactics

                    bias tout opinions hold no water....

                    you bashed bookmaker last night....you think they would keep a losing parlay bet as "pending?"

                    L-O-L
                    Originally posted by robmpink
                    I wonder how I was able to get a max straight bet in last week then do a max bet parlay with the same team in it?

                    Since you seem to be talking out of your ass I bet the max on the over in the Mets game. Then I did a max wager parlay with the over in the Mets game and Boston.


                    Next time ask the book before you speculate. This way you won't look like such a fool.
                    tsk tsk.....guess its time to post a screenshot....which ghost are YOU?
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                    • SBR Lou
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                      • 08-02-07
                      • 37863

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                      tsk tsk.....guess its time to post a screenshot....which ghost are YOU?
                      Listen, this is getting completely childish.

                      Some people play at CW. They aren't employees. Some people actually have positive feedback so far. Get over it?

                      Honestly, sometimes I wish I wouldn't have posted any feedback because people like you just bitch and moan all day for seemingly no reason. You're a guy that's PLAYING THERE, but every single goddamn day has another complaint of how he won't send ID if he wins, won't pay if he loses etc. That's fine, be happy with yourself, I don't care about you. Stiff if you want, go you! You're the man.
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                      • robmpink
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                        • 01-09-07
                        • 13205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                        as a 'player' there...I just want to warn people about their lying employees AND their bush league tactics

                        bias tout opinions hold no water....

                        you bashed bookmaker last night....you think they would keep a losing parlay bet as "pending?"

                        L-O-L

                        tsk tsk.....guess its time to post a screenshot....which ghost are YOU?


                        I guess you speculated since you only have $50 left in the $1,000 credit. You didn't actually try it.

                        Loser
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                        • robmpink
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-09-07
                          • 13205

                          #13
                          I quote Joke&Bagger "the reason why CW does this....is....to cut your limits down if you wish to be that team

                          let me explain.....they keep it as pending so whatever amount you bet on that losing parlay....goes tword money that they see as already being wagered on the game....therefore if you bet say the max $50 on the losing parlay....you now have $50 pending on the other game until it goes final....EVEN THOUGH THE TICKET IS A LOSER."



                          Joke&Bagger, anymore points you want to make? You seemed to be on top of this one.
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                          • pimike
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                            • 03-23-08
                            • 37140

                            #14



                            I'm afraid the light will never work with pilsbury the dough boy

                            What a pedifile
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                            • Cloak & Dagger
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-15-07
                              • 4781

                              #15
                              dont ever question my creditbility.....call me a "stiff" some more....and ill expose every liar/tout/shill/and every ghost that CW has sent on these boards to lie and scam

                              fall back clown
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                              • diamond
                                SBR MVP
                                • 02-09-06
                                • 3636

                                #16
                                CW sucks..but still, I can name a few that does the same, at least among european bookies.
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                                • SBR Lou
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                                  • 08-02-07
                                  • 37863

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                  dont ever question my creditbility.....call me a "stiff" some more....and ill expose every liar/tout/shill/and every ghost that CW has sent on these boards to lie and scam

                                  fall back clown
                                  Funny how you blanked out your balance there. Let me guess, you owe $400?

                                  That would make your obsession so much more understandable. You don't want to pay, so every single hour you have another knock on them. Even though they've paid every poster that's stated he plays there, you will find another gripe with them.

                                  The fact that you continue to play there makes one realize you're just some shot taking troll who has no intention to pay.
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                                  • robmpink
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                                    • 01-09-07
                                    • 13205

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                    dont ever question my creditbility.....call me a "stiff" some more....and ill expose every liar/tout/shill/and every ghost that CW has sent on these boards to lie and scam

                                    fall back clown


                                    Dude, bet the last $50 you have of credit on the over in the Mets game. Oh, go hump a goat flameboy!
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                                    • Cloak & Dagger
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-15-07
                                      • 4781

                                      #19
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                                      • Cloak & Dagger
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-15-07
                                        • 4781

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by crazyl
                                        Funny how you blanked out your balance there. Let me guess, you owe $400?

                                        That would make your obsession so much more understandable. You don't want to pay, so every single hour you have another knock on them. Even though they've paid every poster that's stated he plays there, you will find another gripe with them.

                                        The fact that you continue to play there makes one realize you're just some shot taking troll who has no intention to pay.
                                        I never received ONE RED CENT from CW

                                        not ONE

                                        so if you want to call me a "stiff" thats ok

                                        Ill continue to expose liars/scammers/touts...and all of the above

                                        and for your information im down about $100 in monopoly cash
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                                        • SBR Lou
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                                          • 08-02-07
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by diamond
                                          CW sucks..but still, I can name a few that does the same, at least among european bookies.
                                          Please don't take anything he says seriously.

                                          The only time I had a parlay which was a loser that wasn't graded automatically it corrected itself within an hour or so. It's not a "trick" to restrict your action, it's just their software hiccuping at times. The good thing is, if there is ever a bug or problem to report, their live chat answers within 10 seconds and quickly corrects any problem. They will have growing pains only being open two months, but they pay promptly and are courteous.

                                          As I said the other day, they even offer debit cards for w/d's now, it'll work like your own regular ATM card, you set the pin yourself and they'll transfer funds to you when you want a payout. That is convenience.
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                                          • SBR Lou
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                                            • 08-02-07
                                            • 37863

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                            I never received ONE RED CENT from CW

                                            not ONE

                                            so if you want to call me a "stiff" thats ok

                                            Ill continue to expose liars/scammer/touts...and all of the above
                                            YOU never cashed out from them.....

                                            Why would they pay you?

                                            Get up to 400 and they'll pay you, but remember, you refuse to send your ID?
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                                            • robmpink
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                                              • 01-09-07
                                              • 13205

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                              dont ever question my creditbility.....call me a "stiff" some more....and ill expose every liar/tout/shill/and every ghost that CW has sent on these boards to lie and scam

                                              fall back clown
                                              I didn't know it was Daddyhumper. Go back to the RX so more people could call you a stiff.


                                              Do yourself a favor and make something of your worthless life. Sign a waiver to donate your organs then do everyone a favor and kill yourself.
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                                              • Cloak & Dagger
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-15-07
                                                • 4781

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by crazyl
                                                Please don't take anything he says seriously.

                                                The only time I had a parlay which was a loser that wasn't graded automatically it corrected itself within a few hours. It's not a "trick" to restrict your action, it's just their software hiccuping at times. The good thing is, if there is ever a bug or problem to report, their live chat answers within 10 seconds and quickly corrects any problem. They will have growing pains only being open two months, but they pay promptly and are courteous.

                                                As I said the other day, they even offer debit cards for w/d's now, it'll work like your own regular ATM card, you set the pin yourself and they'll transfer funds to you when you want a payout. That is convenience.
                                                BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAH

                                                OMG

                                                MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHA

                                                thats it...im done in this thread...I wont post in this thread anymore

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                                                • Cloak & Dagger
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-15-07
                                                  • 4781

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by crazyl
                                                  YOU never cashed out from them.....

                                                  Why would they pay you?

                                                  Get up to 400 and they'll pay you, but remember, you refuse to send your ID?
                                                  I WILL NEVER SEND THEM MY ID....NEVER

                                                  im done here...keep touting on your friday
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                                                  • SBR Lou
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                                                    • 08-02-07
                                                    • 37863

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                                    I WILL NEVER SEND THEM MY ID....NEVER
                                                    Exactly. Because you have absolutely no intention of paying them. You didn't blank out your balance because you're up there, you blanked it out because you don't want your credibility shot.

                                                    Like I said, nobody cares. If you are going to stiff, wonderful. You wouldn't be the 1st on this forum. No need to bash 24-7, they are paying people. The funny thing is if they stopped paying people, I would agree with you. However you have it made up in your mind just because you owe them money that they are not legit...
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                                                    • pokernut9999
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 07-25-07
                                                      • 12757

                                                      #27
                                                      . [Pending] $115.00 (Play) [Pending: $115.00] Straight bet. Risking $115.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52324
                                                      Major League Baseball | National League
                                                      PHI -115 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB 5 Innings]
                                                      Fri, Apr 18 6:02PM
                                                      2. [Pending] $170.00 (Play) [Pending: $170.00] Straight bet. Risking $170.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                      Major League Baseball | National League
                                                      ARI -170 [Both] on SDG [G Maddux -R] - ARI [D Haren -R] [Fri, Apr 18 9:40PM] [MLB]
                                                      Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                      3. [Pending] $135.00 (Play) [Pending: $135.00] Straight bet. Risking $135.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                      Major League Baseball | National League
                                                      Los -135 [Both] on Los [D Lowe -R] - ATL [J Bennett-R] [Fri, Apr 18 7:35PM] [MLB]
                                                      Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                      4. [Pending] $125.00 (Play) [Pending: $125.00] Straight bet. Risking $125.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                      Major League Baseball | National League
                                                      MIL -125 [Both] on MIL [B Sheets -R] - CIN [B Arroyo -R] [Fri, Apr 18 7:10PM] [MLB]
                                                      Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                      5. [Pending] $105.00 (Play) [Pending: $105.00] Straight bet. Risking $105.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                      Major League Baseball | National League
                                                      PHI -105 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB]

                                                      I just bet the max on a game and 1st 5 is that not allowed ?
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                                                      • Cloak & Dagger
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-15-07
                                                        • 4781

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by crazyl
                                                        Exactly. Because you have absolutely no intention of paying them. You didn't blank out your balance because you're up there, you blanked it out because you don't want your credibility shot.

                                                        Like I said, nobody cares. If you are going to stiff, wonderful. You wouldn't be the 1st on this forum. No need to bash 24-7, they are paying people. The funny thing is if they stopped paying people, I would agree with you. However you have it made up in your mind just because you owe them money that they are not legit...
                                                        ok one more response crazytout.....

                                                        HOW CAN YOU STIFF SOMEONE WHEN NO MONEY EVER CHANGED HANDS????

                                                        lmfao....Im not sending them my ID....so they dont have to worry about paying me...its a kill carlo bonus...and lazerwager just shut down today

                                                        and how could I be down $400 but still be able to play after wed??...hmm???

                                                        anyhow....scurry along now little rodent.....and take your CW employees with you
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                                                        • diamond
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 02-09-06
                                                          • 3636

                                                          #29
                                                          Crazyl..I just decided not to use them, and honestly think wagering on credit is not a good idea. Anyway, its not uncommon that bets are pending until the whole bet is graded..One big European bookie does it, Expekt.
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                                                          • SBR Lou
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                                                            • 08-02-07
                                                            • 37863

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                                            ok one more response crazytout.....

                                                            HOW CAN YOU STIFF SOMEONE WHEN NO MONEY EVER CHANGED HANDS????

                                                            lmfao....Im not sending them my ID....so they dont have to worry about paying me...its a kill carlo bonus...and lazerwager just shut down today

                                                            and how could I be down $400 but still be able to play after wed??...hmm???

                                                            anyhow....scurry along now little rodent.....and take your CW employees with you
                                                            K, you win.

                                                            Look I am interested in making money. That's what I care about. I've posted my experiences, and that's it. You can do whatever, if you aren't interested in receiving a payout from them, I'm not sure why you continue to play there. But that's your decision, you're an adult, knock yourself out.

                                                            Just go about your day. I'm tired of the comments addressed to me all because I let people know hey, this books actually paying so far. And they're actually pretty easy to deal with. So whatever dude, do you.
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                                                            • robmpink
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-09-07
                                                              • 13205

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by pokernut9999
                                                              . [Pending] $115.00 (Play) [Pending: $115.00] Straight bet. Risking $115.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52324
                                                              Major League Baseball | National League
                                                              PHI -115 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB 5 Innings]
                                                              Fri, Apr 18 6:02PM
                                                              2. [Pending] $170.00 (Play) [Pending: $170.00] Straight bet. Risking $170.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                              Major League Baseball | National League
                                                              ARI -170 [Both] on SDG [G Maddux -R] - ARI [D Haren -R] [Fri, Apr 18 9:40PM] [MLB]
                                                              Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                              3. [Pending] $135.00 (Play) [Pending: $135.00] Straight bet. Risking $135.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                              Major League Baseball | National League
                                                              Los -135 [Both] on Los [D Lowe -R] - ATL [J Bennett-R] [Fri, Apr 18 7:35PM] [MLB]
                                                              Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                              4. [Pending] $125.00 (Play) [Pending: $125.00] Straight bet. Risking $125.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                              Major League Baseball | National League
                                                              MIL -125 [Both] on MIL [B Sheets -R] - CIN [B Arroyo -R] [Fri, Apr 18 7:10PM] [MLB]
                                                              Fri, Apr 18 4:29PM
                                                              5. [Pending] $105.00 (Play) [Pending: $105.00] Straight bet. Risking $105.00, to win $100.00. Ticket Id:52216
                                                              Major League Baseball | National League
                                                              PHI -105 [Both] on NYM [JO Santana -L] - PHI [C Hamels -L] [Fri, Apr 18 7:05PM] [MLB]

                                                              I just bet the max on a game and 1st 5 is that not allowed ?
                                                              The only thing that does make sense is if he wanted to do another parlay w/ Boston in it. It won't work. If he bet Boston straight it would work. Nonetheless, he is a tool.
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                                                              • SBR Lou
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                                                                • 08-02-07
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by diamond
                                                                Crazyl..I just decided not to use them, and honestly think wagering on credit is not a good idea. Anyway, its not uncommon that bets are pending until the whole bet is graded..One big European bookie does it, Expekt.
                                                                Yeah I hear you, when I first noticed it happen I assumed that was how it worked, but I did notice another two teamer which only one leg lost and it was graded within 2-3 minutes like normal.

                                                                Right now it's going good with them, I hope they can keep it together and maintain even with all the stiffs and shot takers which must undoubtedly sign up, some of which are in this thread. All I know is they've paid out so far, so until that stops I'll be playing there. I guess we'll see.
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                                                                • diamond
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 02-09-06
                                                                  • 3636

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I might consider them if they offer neteller or something in the future..too much hassle in my country. Probably I be a post up player anyway.
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                                                                  • wtt0315
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 01-18-07
                                                                    • 8037

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i know

                                                                    cloak,
                                                                    They did the same to me but if you go on their chat and ask them to remove the parlay they will. I have done this a few times. They told me it was a glitch.

                                                                    Originally posted by Cloak & Dagger
                                                                    well kids....here I am again looking out for you the player with some real good information about how these guys operate

                                                                    lets say you did a parlay YESTERDAY.....2 teams

                                                                    and you lost....as in the first team lost

                                                                    but the second team was oh say...a NBA game on sunday

                                                                    DID YOU KNOW CW WILL LEAVE THE BET AS PENDING UNTIL THE GAME ON SUNDAY IS COMPLETE

                                                                    EVEN THOUGH THE PARLAY IS ALREADY A LOSER


                                                                    hmm

                                                                    no other book in the history of gambling would do this....any book rated that ive played offshore for the last 10 years takes down a losing parlay as soon as 1 team loses in that said parlay.....and WOULD NEVER keep it as pending

                                                                    the reason why CW does this....is....to cut your limits down if you wish to be that team

                                                                    let me explain.....they keep it as pending so whatever amount you bet on that losing parlay....goes tword money that they see as already being wagered on the game....therefore if you bet say the max $50 on the losing parlay....you now have $50 pending on the other game until it goes final....EVEN THOUGH THE TICKET IS A LOSER



                                                                    straight bush league......

                                                                    any feedback from non touts about this particular issue is welcomed here in this thread

                                                                    how can a losing ticket still show as pending???
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                                                                    • SBR Lou
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                                                                      • 08-02-07
                                                                      • 37863

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by wtt0315
                                                                      cloak,
                                                                      They did the same to me but if you go on their chat and ask them to remove the parlay they will. I have done this a few times. They told me it was a glitch.
                                                                      Careful, any voice of reason and he will consider you an employee.

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