New Year's Thought: The US IS the greatest country ever

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  • the woodpile
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    • 11-24-10
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    #1
    New Year's Thought: The US IS the greatest country ever


    When the likes of Marco Rubio, the new Republican senator from Florida, say this is the greatest country ever, sophisticated opinion-makers cluck and roll their eyes. What a noxious tea-party nostrum. How chauvinistic. What hubris.


    Yet, what other countries deserve this designation? For the sake of convenience, start at 1648, when the Peace of Westphalia ratified the modern system of nation-states. And grade on power, prosperity and goodness.


    Is Spain the greatest ever? It had a nice run a couple of hundred years ago based on plundering the New World of its gold and silver. By 1800, it was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Today, it teeters on bankruptcy.


    Is France? Its model of centralizing monarchy in the 17th century was extremely influential, and admirable — if you like elaborate court ritual, religious persecution and expansionistic wars. It gave the world the template for modern ideological madness in the French Revolution and for the modern tyrant in Napoleon. After the debacle of World War II, it recovered to a power of middling rank. If there’s no doubting the greatness of the French, their history comes with the implicit admonition: “Do not try this at home.”


    Germany? In the 18th and 19th centuries, it was a cultural jewel. And one of the most talented statesmen ever, Bismarck, forged a nation that became an industrial behemoth. It also had an illiberal heart. Germany today is an anchor of democratic Europe, but with a hellish black mark against it that will last for all time.


    Russia? By the beginning of the 20th century, a decrepit autocracy sat atop a mass of misery. Then, things went south. The communists murdered and enslaved many millions across seven decades. Russia remains an important, if vastly diminished, power, governed by a prickly, grasping kleptocracy.


    Britain? Getting warmer. It invented the rights that are the bedrock of liberal democracy. More than most European powers, it lived by Adam Smith’s formula for prosperity: “peace, easy taxes, and a tolerable administration of justice.” From a tiny island, it came to govern an enormous extent of the globe in a relatively benign colonialism. It was a bulwark against the dictatorships of the Continent, from Napoleon, to the Kaiser, to Hitler. And it spawned the countries that have made the English-speaking world a synonym for good governance and liberty: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and America.


    Which brings us to the U.S. We had the advantage of jumping off from the achievement of the British. We founded our nation upon self-evident truths about the rights of man, even if our conduct hasn’t always matched them. We pushed aside Spain and Mexico in muscling across the continent, but brought order and liberty in our wake. Our treatment of the Indians was appalling, but par for the course in the context of the time. It took centuries of mistreatment of blacks before we finally heeded our own ideals.


    The positive side of the ledger, though, is immense: We got constitutional government to work on a scale no one had thought possible; made ourselves a haven of liberty for the world’s peoples; and created a fluid, open society. We amassed unbelievable wealth, and spread it widely. Internationally, we wielded our overwhelming military and industrial power as a benevolent hegemon. We led the coalitions against the ideological empires of the 20th century and protected the global commons. We remain the world’s sole superpower, looked to by most of the world as a leader distinctly better than any of the alternatives.


    Our greatness is simply a fact. Only the churlish or malevolent can deny it, or even get irked at its assertion. When a Marco Rubio talks of the greatness of America, it’s not bumptious self-congratulation. Our greatness comes with the responsibility to preserve our traditional dynamism and status as a robust middle-class society. To paraphrase the Benjamin Franklin of lore, we have the greatest country ever — if we can keep it.
  • THEGREAT30
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-04-08
    • 8970

    #2
    US is one of the worse countries going
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    • BeatingBaseball
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 06-30-09
      • 904

      #3
      The United States of America is the greatest nation in human history.

      - you are just figuring this out?
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      • nosniboR11
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-02-08
        • 10042

        #4
        USA, we honor all challenges
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        • pronk
          Restricted User
          • 11-22-08
          • 6887

          #5
          Ever?
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82842

            #6
            Roman Empire was the greatest country ever.
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            • Emily_Haines
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-14-09
              • 15917

              #7
              Too bad most of the Nazi's are dead because they would be envious of how this country is currently being run.
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              • the woodpile
                Restricted User
                • 11-24-10
                • 52

                #8
                Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                Too bad most of the Nazi's are dead because they would be envious of how this country is currently being run.
                A moolie is in charge.

                You are such a racist.
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                • stealthyburrito
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 05-12-09
                  • 21562

                  #9
                  interesting criteria.

                  the germans could have been the greatest if it wasn't for that rough patch from ~1910-1945.
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                  • Emily_Haines
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 04-14-09
                    • 15917

                    #10
                    USA is fast becoming a full blown police state where the citizens have no rights.

                    Mandatory DUI Checkpoint Blood Tests Coming to Florida

                    USA is a disgrace to the rest of the civilized world
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                    • BeatingBaseball
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 06-30-09
                      • 904

                      #11
                      Originally posted by stealthyburrito
                      interesting criteria.

                      the germans could have been the greatest if it wasn't for that rough patch from ~1910-1945.
                      Yeah...and the Cubs could have been the greatest baseball team if it wasn't for that rough patch from 1909-2010.
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                      • stealthyburrito
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                        • 05-12-09
                        • 21562

                        #12
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                        • rem sleep
                          SBR MVP
                          • 10-04-10
                          • 1238

                          #13
                          In some ways yes, in some ways no.
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                          • RonPaul2008
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                            • 06-08-07
                            • 6741

                            #14
                            Marco Rubio is just another Neocon.
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                            • jnickell100
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                              • 11-11-09
                              • 4305

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                              USA is fast becoming a full blown police state where the citizens have no rights. Mandatory DUI Checkpoint Blood Tests Coming to Florida USA is a disgrace to the rest of the civilized world
                              Youre so right. People think we are free here but we are not more free than Canada, England and other European Countries.
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                              • bradthebloke
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                                • 07-26-09
                                • 3175

                                #16
                                australia, china?
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                                • BeatingBaseball
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 06-30-09
                                  • 904

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by RonPaul2008
                                  Marco Rubio is just another Neocon.
                                  If you don't know or understand the definition of a word - it's a good idea to avoid the use of it.

                                  If you check out the meaning of the word neocon - you should then realize it is not a term which characterizes Marco Rubio.
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                                  • ACoochy
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 08-19-09
                                    • 13949

                                    #18
                                    A country that per capita has 3x more debt than ireland and its supposed to be the greatest on earth??? Ha, nice joke....Seriously though with the decline of true democracy in the USA where exactly is the country headed....
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                                    • RonPaul2008
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                                      • 06-08-07
                                      • 6741

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BeatingBaseball
                                      If you don't know or understand the definition of a word - it's a good idea to avoid the use of it.

                                      If you check out the meaning of the word neocon - you should then realize it is not a term which characterizes Marco Rubio.
                                      He is indeed a Neocon...

                                      Warmonger - check
                                      Supports Patriot Act - Check
                                      Supported Cap & Trade Type Bill in Florida - Check (yes I know, now he is supposedly against Cap and Trade)
                                      Thinks prostitution Should Be A Crime - Check
                                      Thinks a person's sexuality should keep them out of the Military - Check
                                      Thinks persons of the same gender shouldn't have the same right to government marriage as other people-check
                                      Thinks the federal government should subsidize/tax incentivize energy efficient items and other types of goods and services - check
                                      Drug Warrior - Check
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                                      • BeatingBaseball
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 06-30-09
                                        • 904

                                        #20
                                        You have no idea what a neocon is. You think it refers to traditional conservatism - but conservatism is not neo (new).

                                        Neo-cons are former liberals with roots in the far left - primarily the Jewish far left. Many of the original neo-cons were Trotskyites - like the patriarch of the neo-con movement, Irving Kristol. The neocons split with the Dems in the late 60's when they realized that the George McGovern Dems would not only wimp out in Viet Nam - but would not fight for anything else either - including Israel. They thus crossed over and pretended to be Republicans because they knew the Republicans were the only ones who had the balls to defend Israel.

                                        Get your terms straight. Traditional conservatives are not neo-cons. And Rubio is not a former leftist whose top priority is the defense of Israel.

                                        If someone who did not know the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist were to call Ron Paul an anarchist, they would be just as wrong as you are here. And, to anyone who knew the difference, they would look just as foolish.
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                                        • crustyme
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                                          • 09-29-10
                                          • 16896

                                          #21
                                          used to be a great country til neo-cons destroyed it.
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                                          • Emily_Haines
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                                            • 04-14-09
                                            • 15917

                                            #22
                                            The 8 years under Clinton where the best years most Americans have seen. Stock market at all time high. Lot's of technological break troughs and plenty of jobs. And to think it took a Neocon piece of shit just 8 years to destroy it all.
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                                            • BeatingBaseball
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 06-30-09
                                              • 904

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                              The 8 years under Clinton where the best years most Americans have seen. Stock market at all time high. Lot's of technological break troughs and plenty of jobs. And to think it took a Neocon piece of shit just 8 years to destroy it all.
                                              Maybe you should have voted for Hillary instead of The Chocolate Chavez.
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                                              • shari91
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                                                • 02-23-10
                                                • 32661

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by BeatingBaseball
                                                Yeah...and the Cubs could have been the greatest baseball team if it wasn't for that rough patch from 1909-2010.
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                                                • milwaukee mike
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 08-22-07
                                                  • 26914

                                                  #25
                                                  here we go with neocon this, and neocon that
                                                  perhaps you should be more concerned with the entire cabinet/fed reserve/etc who are all dual citizens of israel than you should be whether people are quasi conservative or quasi liberal

                                                  this country hasn't been great since jfk - he's the last one that actually had any balls and had the us treasury print money (look on your current bills, they all say federal reserve note, how much more proof than that do you need for who runs the country?)
                                                  now all we do is run up debt that we'll never be able to repay, ship jobs overseas, and attack innocent people all over the world just to steal their oil, produce heroin, and protect israel
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                                                  • ACoochy
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-19-09
                                                    • 13949

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                    The 8 years under Clinton where the best years most Americans have seen. Stock market at all time high. Lot's of technological break troughs and plenty of jobs. And to think it took a Neocon piece of shit just 8 years to destroy it all.
                                                    To be fair though many of the deregulations of the market that concluded with the crash of 08 were bought in by the Clinton Administration....Not knocking as i agree with you in that Clinton was a charismatic leaders leader, just providing a little balance...GL
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                                                    • VegasInsider
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                                                      • 12-12-10
                                                      • 14593

                                                      #27
                                                      'Merica

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