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  • Always_Over
    SBR High Roller
    • 11-22-07
    • 167

    #1
    Online Casino Blackjack
    Does anyone win consistently in online casino's?

    What about these blackjack strategies?

    They say the Assume dealer has a 10, never bust(rarely hit past 11 or 12) and the play the dealers style
    are very bad strategies and you should follow these charts.

    Founded in 1998, our basic blackjack strategy engine generates optimal strategy charts for 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 decks. Allows custom filters for variations too


    but frankly I did better when I assume the dealer has a 10 and rarely bust.

    I had a system, where I assumed the computer has to make it possible to win 45% of the time, otherwise no one would play.
    So I alternate between 1-3 hands, and I switch up my style, sometimes hit a 12-15 sometimes stand.
    Mainly would bet low until the cpu won a few in a row, then I would bet high for a few hands, win 3 out of 4 hands and go back to low. I kept doing this, if the CPU starts getting 20's, facing 10's alot, I would bet low till it snaps out of its streak, then go high. This worked for me. I turned 200 into 900 and 200 into 730.

    Two things screwed me up. One, trouble quiting while I am ahead. If I dropped down 100 dollars, instead of stopping, Being tired instead of stopping, I would lose patience, get mad and try to "win it back real quick" by betting 150 dollar hands! LOL This ate my bankroll "real quick".

    The other thing is I lost 5 hands in a row, I assumed the CPU would never let me lose 6 in a row, so I bet real big, 7, 8...
    Lost 8 in a row...killed my bankroll...

    So it shot a hole in my system, which worked, for the most part.
    I think if the CPU is on a win streak, hitting face 10's all the time, you have to stay low until you see it snap out of it. And not predict that it might.

    What do you think?
    Does anyone win in online black jack Consitently?
    Do you really think, BJ and theGreek, profile you to beat you, or do they play straight up????
  • gm2022
    SBR MVP
    • 02-28-08
    • 4128

    #2
    Originally posted by Always_Over
    Does anyone win consistently in online casino's?

    What about these blackjack strategies?

    They say the Assume dealer has a 10, never bust(rarely hit past 11 or 12) and the play the dealers style
    are very bad strategies and you should follow these charts.

    Founded in 1998, our basic blackjack strategy engine generates optimal strategy charts for 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 decks. Allows custom filters for variations too


    but frankly I did better when I assume the dealer has a 10 and rarely bust.

    I had a system, where I assumed the computer has to make it possible to win 45% of the time, otherwise no one would play.
    So I alternate between 1-3 hands, and I switch up my style, sometimes hit a 12-15 sometimes stand.
    Mainly would bet low until the cpu won a few in a row, then I would bet high for a few hands, win 3 out of 4 hands and go back to low. I kept doing this, if the CPU starts getting 20's, facing 10's alot, I would bet low till it snaps out of its streak, then go high. This worked for me. I turned 200 into 900 and 200 into 730.

    Two things screwed me up. One, trouble quiting while I am ahead. If I dropped down 100 dollars, instead of stopping, Being tired instead of stopping, I would lose patience, get mad and try to "win it back real quick" by betting 150 dollar hands! LOL This ate my bankroll "real quick".

    The other thing is I lost 5 hands in a row, I assumed the CPU would never let me lose 6 in a row, so I bet real big, 7, 8...
    Lost 8 in a row...killed my bankroll...

    So it shot a hole in my system, which worked, for the most part.
    I think if the CPU is on a win streak, hitting face 10's all the time, you have to stay low until you see it snap out of it. And not predict that it might.

    What do you think?
    Does anyone win in online black jack Consitently?
    Do you really think, BJ and theGreek, profile you to beat you, or do they play straight up????
    Anyone who wins will give it back, no one over time is ever up online. I wouldnt go as far as to say its rigged, but man u gets some bad beats. I love to play free online black jack while doing something else. Im at 20,000 free money started with 500. But they do that so you think with real money you have a shot.
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    • Always_Over
      SBR High Roller
      • 11-22-07
      • 167

      #3
      "But they do that so you think with real money you have a shot."

      Wouldnt that mean its rigged?
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      • gm2022
        SBR MVP
        • 02-28-08
        • 4128

        #4
        Originally posted by Always_Over
        "But they do that so you think with real money you have a shot."

        Wouldnt that mean its rigged?
        No, if you have to understand this, the longer you play any table game at a casino online ect, the house benfits, big money is won fas and quick not like poker where u can play hours upon hours. Rigged isnt the right word favorite is more like it. Also Im sure they can rig the Play Money Maybe? I dont know for sher but if they could why wouldnt let everyone win(in play money) to get them to try real money. Wouldnt you?
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        • gm2022
          SBR MVP
          • 02-28-08
          • 4128

          #5
          Also like poker I think everyone has to have the cards run off a certain program? If every online casino actually does it I dunno? But thats what I know they ARE SUPPOSE TO DO
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          • Always_Over
            SBR High Roller
            • 11-22-07
            • 167

            #6
            I guess they can set the odds in your favor with play money, pretty easily.

            In poker its different if you are playing other real players as opposed to you vs CPU.

            ""the longer you play any table game at a casino online ect, the house benfits""

            that said - always quit while your ahead!
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            • gm2022
              SBR MVP
              • 02-28-08
              • 4128

              #7
              that said - always quit while your ahead![/QUOTE]

              Try telling that to people who have problems lol, Id say atl east 50% off people who sit down and play Table Games have Gambling problems. Its not easy Im sure when you are always temp to playing.
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              • bettilimbroke999
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-04-08
                • 13254

                #8
                I haven't played online casino in about a year until last night. For some reason I thought I'll try to win a hundred at Pai Gow poker. Anyway I had 230 balance in my BetJamaica account, now $0 balance. I lost bout 6 or 7 $1 dollar hands in a row til I thought, #$#% I must be ready for a winning hand so I upped my bet to 50 expecting a hot streak and lost the next four lmao. Online Casinos are the equivalent of just outright theft and should never be played as they are flat out an account balance emptying program for the site, about once a year they get me when I'm really bored like last night and feel like trying to pick up some "quick money" and there are no sports to bet on, then they give me a dozen losing hands in a row and I quit for a year again so hell with it.
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                • isetcap
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-16-05
                  • 4006

                  #9
                  Sounds like you guys have it figured out.
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                  • BrentCrude
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-16-05
                    • 4665

                    #10
                    I think it's rigged.When online gambling was in it's heyday there were black jack junkies on the forums that knew everything about all the brands of software being used by casinos.They used to grade the software just like SBR grades sportsbooks.It's surprising that the dyed in the wool blackjack players on the cards forums never show up here at SBR?

                    The thing that makes me think it POSSIBLY could be legitimate is that when online casinos used to give generous bonuses and free comps,they always stated in the promotion rules that it couldn't be used for blackjack.
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                    • tacomax
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 9619

                      #11
                      I make a very good living off blackjack using my system. It is called "1-3-2-6 System". It's a pretty amazing unit system which is almost self explanatory. Whatever is your unit, you bet 1 unit in your first bet. If you win, your next bet is 3 units, if you win that one too your next bet would be 2 units and finally if you win the first three bets your last bet would be 6 units.

                      Well, you may say, what's the point? When you win 4 bets on a row, you win money anyways. But the secret lies in loosing. When you win your first and the second bets, you are up 4 units. Even if you lost the third one you are still up 2 units. And when you win your first 3 and lost the 4th one, you are even.
                      Originally posted by pags11
                      SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                      Originally posted by BuddyBear
                      I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                      Originally posted by curious
                      taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                      • robmpink
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-09-07
                        • 13205

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bettilimbroke999
                        I haven't played online casino in about a year until last night. For some reason I thought I'll try to win a hundred at Pai Gow poker. Anyway I had 230 balance in my BetJamaica account, now $0 balance. I lost bout 6 or 7 $1 dollar hands in a row til I thought, #$#% I must be ready for a winning hand so I upped my bet to 50 expecting a hot streak and lost the next four lmao. Online Casinos are the equivalent of just outright theft and should never be played as they are flat out an account balance emptying program for the site, about once a year they get me when I'm really bored like last night and feel like trying to pick up some "quick money" and there are no sports to bet on, then they give me a dozen losing hands in a row and I quit for a year again so he'll with it.

                        Sorry for your loss. On Monday request a casino loss bonus. You will get a rebate on your casino losses for the week. It isn't on their website but trust me. You have to do it on Monday though.
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                        • INVEGA MAN
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 01-30-08
                          • 6806

                          #13
                          I never will play casino games. I heard too many crazy stories where guys think they are fixed. I know books make a killing off the guys who play.
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                          • bettilimbroke999
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 02-04-08
                            • 13254

                            #14
                            Originally posted by robmpink
                            Sorry for your loss. On Monday request a casino loss bonus. You will get a rebate on your casino losses for the week. It isn't on their website but trust me. You have to do it on Monday though.
                            Thanks for the help, I'll do that. Is it like 10% cash back?
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                            • Red_Sux
                              SBR MVP
                              • 06-25-07
                              • 1262

                              #15
                              online blackjack are dangerous. i lost a lot on it.
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                              • dannyt76
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 06-29-07
                                • 779

                                #16
                                Lost way too much on online blackjack. Will never play again. Had a couple nights back to back where I lost 10-14 hands in a row. It may not be rigged, but it's pretty damn close.
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                                • VegasDave
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 01-03-07
                                  • 8056

                                  #17
                                  Alwaysover let me tell you one simple fact;

                                  Those charts are 100% accurate and using any other strategies without counting cards (obviously impossible online) is increasing the house edge.

                                  I work in a casino as a blackjack banker so I see this game 8 hours a day. The "can't lose X amount of hands in a row" theory is quite popular. And, as you learned, it will kill you.

                                  Assuming internet blackjack is legit, just like any other casino, then playing perfect strategy as those charts suggest will give the house only about a 2% edge, give or take depending on specific rules.

                                  If you are in the least bit serious about playing blackjack memorize those charts. Play with them printed out until you get used to them. There is no "sometimes I hit sometimes I stay". There is no "oooh I made the wrong call there". 15 is ALWAYS a hit against a 10. Every single time.

                                  The beautiful thing about blackjack is its predictability. This is why charts can be made to minimize house edge; because the house's moves are always predetermined. MUST hit below soft 17, MUST stay on hard 17 or better. This is all accounted for in these charts. There is a reason why you hit 12 against a 3 but DON'T hit 13 against a 3. Mathmatically, over billions of hands, it works out to be your best move.

                                  Shady online casinos are likely rigged but I believe that reputable places (bodog etc) are legit. You hear sob stories all the time on here and everywhere... "THIS PLACE IS RIGGED! I LOSE 11 STRAIGHT HANDS!" etc etc but TRUST ME it happens ALL THE TIME with real cards. Blackjack is a VERY fast game and can be extremely vicious. You will go on very hot runs and very cold runs and you should not blame the internet for that.

                                  Simply put, if you are going to play the game there is no excuse not to play optimal strategy. Learn it and never waver from it.

                                  And remember this: No betting strategy can turn a game with a negative expected value into a positive expected value. Not-a-one.

                                  If you've found something that "works for you", great. It will only work for you short term though; in the end, without counting, you will lose. Quitting while you are ahead will not change this, either, unless you quit for good.
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                                  • LVHerbie
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-15-05
                                    • 6344

                                    #18
                                    the only way you can beat blackjack is by counting cards or by getting a bonus... the bonuses have basically tried up after the changes in the US market (and they were so often abused before that time that most places either excluded bj or gave such terrible rollovers that most weren't worth playing).. as far as counting online you can't as they "shuffle" every hand...

                                    If you want to play for entertainment thats fine but keep it small and expect to loss over the long run... I would also do some research into where you choose to play because, as with the sportsbook industry, there are alot of shady places where you won't ever see you money even if you do win....
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                                    • mugzzie
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 06-19-08
                                      • 5

                                      #19
                                      like i said before online blackjack is a slot machine called blackjack...there is no random generator..the computer calculates your winnings and loses... you will win a hand if you either stand or hit if your meant to win that hand...If it's your turn to win you can stand on two and win...same goes for all online games...do you think they set up shop so they can give you there money..I have been playing blackjack for 36 years in real live casinos,do very well too..besides i got inside info on online casinos...Cagy jack
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                                      • Willie Bee
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-14-06
                                        • 15726

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by mugzzie
                                        like i said before online blackjack is a slot machine called blackjack...there is no random generator..the computer calculates your winnings and loses... you will win a hand if you either stand or hit if your meant to win that hand...If it's your turn to win you can stand on two and win...same goes for all online games...do you think they set up shop so they can give you there money..I have been playing blackjack for 36 years in real live casinos,do very well too..besides i got inside info on online casinos...Cagy jack
                                        Welcome to SBR. Like you said before, when do you mean
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                                        • SBR Lou
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 08-02-07
                                          • 37863

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                          Welcome to SBR. Like you said before, when do you mean
                                          Maybe he had the conversation with himself. Often times I do the same thing, I assumed everyone does.
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                                          • Shark79
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-19-07
                                            • 11211

                                            #22
                                            now thats some good smak he bought
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                                            • ms61853
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 04-10-07
                                              • 731

                                              #23
                                              That link simply gives the old basic play strategy which has been around for 40 years. It's the best play assuming the online casinos are honest.

                                              I've played and hit stretches where the online dealer simply would not bust. Didn't seem honest, but maybe it was just a natural streak of bad luck.
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                                              • SBR_John
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 07-12-05
                                                • 16471

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by BrentCrude
                                                I think it's rigged.When online gambling was in it's heyday there were black jack junkies on the forums that knew everything about all the brands of software being used by casinos.They used to grade the software just like SBR grades sportsbooks.It's surprising that the dyed in the wool blackjack players on the cards forums never show up here at SBR?

                                                The thing that makes me think it POSSIBLY could be legitimate is that when online casinos used to give generous bonuses and free comps,they always stated in the promotion rules that it couldn't be used for blackjack.
                                                We will have a site that tests all the online casinos for fair play by the end of the year. The one I trust the most is the BlueChip casino which is carried by Pinnacle and Betonline.
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                                                • icemantbi
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 07-18-07
                                                  • 944

                                                  #25
                                                  Playing Poker online is OK, but playing any casino game online, you are just throwing your money away. I guess I just have good fortitude, but not once have I been tempted to try any casino games at my book (Pinnacle). Then again, I live in an area that boasts 3 casinos within 20 miles of each other (one just a 10 minute drive away) so I get to play live casino games anytime. Even then, though, unless I'm going to see a concert at the casino or other live event, I rarely go. Anyways, you would never know if the online software was rigged, so why try?
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                                                  • VegasDave
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 01-03-07
                                                    • 8056

                                                    #26
                                                    Haha I was just about to respond to this until I realized it was an old thread and I already had
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