No more Soccer Parlays in SBR Book?

**chachi** · 11-13-10, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by ThaddeusB

Could you please explain what kind of parlays you are talking about? If it was a side and total on the same game, then yes that potentially exploitable. However, if you are talking about parlaying bets on unrelated games the only way parlaying them would hurt the book (in the long run) is if the original lines are bad.

Yeah ... this ... all I ever did were ML parlays

**JOHON8** · 11-13-10, 02:22 PM

If you're gonna remove parlaying soccer, at least give us something in return.

For example, give us better lines. Too many times do I see a PK instead of a +0.5 line when the +0.5 line is the right one.

**chachi** · 11-13-10, 02:37 PM

case in point ... have a pair of 3 and 4 way parlays on tonight ... risking 25 twice chasing 1250 and 750 on ncaa dogs

with those, the book will 'wear' 2,000 points risk to take 50 off me.

the book 'refuses to consider wearing' only 400-500 points risk to take say off 100 or 150 from me with the odds sometimes offered on the soccer

**pavyracer** · 11-13-10, 03:57 PM

What they are doing is basically telling you to bet the other sports which you are not familiar with and lose your points there. They do not want to be paying you points because you know what you are doing. This will backfire if soccer posters don't post anymore and leave the site.

**JOHON8** · 11-13-10, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

What they are doing is basically telling you to bet the other sports which you are not familiar with and lose your points there. They do not want to be paying you points because you know what you are doing. This will backfire if soccer posters don't post anymore and leave the site.

Honestly all the work we've been doing to help this soccer community grow, and SBR doesn't do much to help. Soccer is a massive market, more than all american sports put together, I don't understand why SBR in general doesn't want an online community like this growing.

There's always other forums online, but an American forum witha strong soccer community is a powerful thing because the English language is what brings the online community together.

**pavyracer** · 11-13-10, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by JOHON8

Honestly all the work we've been doing to help this soccer community grow, and SBR doesn't do much to help. Soccer is a massive market, more than all american sports put together, I don't understand why SBR in general doesn't want an online community like this growing.

There's always other forums online, but an American forum witha strong soccer community is a powerful thing because the English language is what brings the online community together.

I was here in the early days like 3 years ago and I will start a soccer thread on a Saturday and the thread will be on first page for 2 weeks with no replies. I suppose SBR wants to save some points and lose the soccer community in the process. Most of the time I do not understand their decisions so it wouldn't surprise me that they are doing bonehead moves.

**Arsenal** · 11-14-10, 04:10 AM

rip off 40 cent juice wasn't enough for soccer for SBR so they took parlays away as well. Unreal

**Blue_Chips** · 11-14-10, 04:17 AM

It's not any fun playing the soccer games without the parlays. I don't understand why they removed the parlays.

**Slainte** · 11-14-10, 05:13 AM

Wow this is true

Shame on you SBR, at least add more leagues.

**Duff85** · 11-14-10, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Lou

Sorry guys. The kind of soccer parlays the SBR Book was accepting you wouldn't find at more than 1 in 20 sportsbooks.

It was indeed a nice points cash cow, but remember that the SBR Book is not a Pinnacle Sports. We are recreational, but you can still bet 500 points on any soccer match straight, and up to 2000 points on major sports. Not bad for a rec shop.

Dang why did I never test the correlated parlays on the handicap and total lmfao.

**Duff85** · 11-14-10, 05:31 AM

Would love to see the Australian A League, Japaense J League, Korean K League and any of the other Asian Leagues so there are overnight degenerate betting options for the Americans and more prime time options for those over this side of the world.

**trixtrix** · 11-15-10, 07:58 PM

i apologize for ruining it for the rest of you, lou is right, that was an unfair cash cow to the book

**ThaddeusB** · 11-15-10, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by trixtrix

i apologize for ruining it for the rest of you, lou is right, that was an unfair cash cow to the book

Just out of curiosity, what kind of parlays were you exploiting the book on? I assume they were correlated in some fashion, but could you be more specific?

Thanks!

**Squirrel** · 11-15-10, 08:24 PM

Wow I missed all the action, whats go'in down here?

**trixtrix** · 11-15-10, 08:24 PM

lou can answer that if he wants, i didn't realize that there were a thread outing big winners every day lol, otherwise i would've kept it more on the down low and avoided drawing attention to myself, i guess it was amazing easy to retrace my bets

**chachi** · 11-16-10, 05:07 AM

boooo .....

**noties** · 11-16-10, 05:13 AM

if they are going to take soccer parlays away then add more leagues

**Smogs** · 11-16-10, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by JOHON8

If you're gonna remove parlaying soccer, at least give us something in return.

For example, give us better lines. Too many times do I see a PK instead of a +0.5 line when the +0.5 line is the right one.

Lou, SBR, come on guys, take away the parlays but give us better lines. The 40 cent juice or whatever it is, is a joke.
The soccer forum is by far the sharpest on SBR, just take a look at all the world cup threads that made money - when Joe Public was taking a hammering. Take a look at all the season long threads that are in profit........

Show a bit of respect and appreciation for what we contribute to the site

**latinrus** · 11-16-10, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by JOHON8

Honestly all the work we've been doing to help this soccer community grow, and SBR doesn't do much to help. Soccer is a massive market, more than all american sports put together, I don't understand why SBR in general doesn't want an online community like this growing.

There's always other forums online, but an American forum witha strong soccer community is a powerful thing because the English language is what brings the online community together.

Totally agree! And this soccer forum in fact is doing well most of times u can see decent discussions and decent arguments for different picks. This is the forum when U almost cannot see haters and where people keep this civilized.

Originally posted by pavyracer

I was here in the early days like 3 years ago and I will start a soccer thread on a Saturday and the thread will be on first page for 2 weeks with no replies. I suppose SBR wants to save some points and lose the soccer community in the process. Most of the time I do not understand their decisions so it wouldn't surprise me that they are doing bonehead moves.

wow!

At least now u can see new post everyday, people posting different games and leagues. Most of guys having some profit. And what we get? slap in the face

**Optional** · 11-16-10, 09:19 AM

That's disappointing.

Let's hope SBR reconsider.

**ararat2010** · 11-16-10, 09:36 AM

Yeah, looks like they wanted to grow this forum first (remember additional points for posts here) now they want us to stop growing )))))) And if we'll not they'll cut/ban most of us one day ))))))

**SBR Lou** · 11-16-10, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Smogs

The 40 cent juice or whatever it is, is a joke. The soccer forum is by far the sharpest on SBR, just take a look at all the world cup threads that made money - when Joe Public was taking a hammering. Take a look at all the season long threads that are in profit........ Show a bit of respect and appreciation for what we contribute to the site

Hi Smogs,

It's nothing personal. The only feed that we've been allowed to mirror is Bookmaker's, the lines are the same as they offer. We unfortunately don't create or move our own lines, and, personally if we were tasked with doing it ourselves I don't think you sharps would let the point-book stay open for too long.

The Bookmaker lineset isn't the friendliest in the world to soccer players, but you can find value if you look hard enough.

**pavyracer** · 11-16-10, 09:51 AM

Lou,

Since so many people want the soccer parlays maybe you can find a middle ground like limiting them only to two team parlays with a maximum cap for payout. There is no need to punish all the small time bettors in the soccer forum just because some greedy poster hammered the soccer parlays for a big chunk.

**SBR Lou** · 11-16-10, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Lou, Since so many people want the soccer parlays maybe you can find a middle ground like limiting them only to two team parlays with a maximum cap for payout. There is no need to punish all the small time bettors in the soccer forum just because some greedy poster hammered the soccer parlays for a big chunk.

Pavy,

I'm sure a lot of people would want correlated football parlays too, or to be able to parlay 1st halves with full game sides, but unfortunately we just can't offer that.

There's an option for disabling correlated soccer parlays that unfortunately doesn't work in this version of the software. We've followed up with the software maker to ask if it could be fixed in a later update. Until then, we have reasonable limits for soccer straight bets but the parlays aren't possible.

**noties** · 11-16-10, 10:11 AM

LOU

so you are saying sbrsportsbook offers the same soccer lines

as bookmaker everyday ?

**pavyracer** · 11-16-10, 10:34 AM

Lou,

OK I see what the problem is now. All books I know don't allow correlated parlays for soccer. Without knowing the details of the poster who took advantage of the system I'm guessing he was parlaying Asian Handicap lines with the totals for the same game.

If you ever figure out how do disable this with the software let us know so we can play parlays again. I'm pretty sure the big majority of soccer bettors here do not try to cheat.

**Kubilak** · 11-16-10, 10:46 AM

We appreciate you keeping us informed. Its nice that you talk about the changes rather than leaving us in the dark.

**trixtrix** · 11-16-10, 10:51 AM

lol @ the greedy poster comment, if it's there it's fair game, people stressing out about betting soccer parlays that were taking 500 pts MAX (equivalent of at most 100$ real money). meanwhile i lost 20k+ real money on wash last night..

go ahead and enable soccer parlays w/ 50 max limits lou, so the small time bettors can stop bitching at me. i promise i won't touch it.

btw:
1.) i didn't paraly any asian handicap
2.) i lost 5k+ the first night i parlayed them, so my net win is like 2k+ pts on those.

**zpapalash** · 11-16-10, 11:06 AM

Agree with Pavy that other solution can be found instead of blocking all parlays - better to limit it someway.

Lou, hope you'll update your soft soon and enable parlays SBR can accept))

**pavyracer** · 11-16-10, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by trixtrix

lol @ the greedy poster comment, if it's there it's fair game, people stressing out about betting soccer parlays that were taking 500 pts MAX (equivalent of at most 100$ real money). meanwhile i lost 20k+ real money on wash last night..

go ahead and enable soccer parlays w/ 50 max limits lou, so the small time bettors can stop bitching at me. i promise i won't touch it.

btw:
1.) i didn't paraly any asian handicap
2.) i lost 5k+ the first night i parlayed them, so my net win is like 2k+ pts on those.

It doesn't matter how much you won or lost. The point is you forced Lou to disable the parlays because of a flow in the software and now all the small bettors can't make any parlays.

I'm not blaming Lou for doing this but since the software can't be fixed at the moment to not allow correlated parlays they had to take action and ruin a good thing for everyone else.

**BigDaddy** · 11-16-10, 11:06 AM

sbr gives free points and posters still find ways to try and take advantage.

i'm all for beating books in any way possible as we deposit our real money.

you lost 20k on wash yet you need to take advantage of sbr sportsbooks money leaks

lol

now you ruined it for the whole forum of soccer bettors.

you should donate those points to charity

at least we dont have to see a thread about SBR taking back your points as they are an A+ book IMO and A+ books dont do that sort of thing.

**vitalyo** · 11-16-10, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Lou

Hi Smogs,

It's nothing personal. The only feed that we've been allowed to mirror is Bookmaker's, the lines are the same as they offer. We unfortunately don't create or move our own lines, and, personally if we were tasked with doing it ourselves I don't think you sharps would let the point-book stay open for too long.

The Bookmaker lineset isn't the friendliest in the world to soccer players, but you can find value if you look hard enough.

Bookmaker odds suck . How ever you can find a great value on some of the games ,in some cases they pay better then a pinny . All you have to do just look ahead 2-3 days . Unlike lines on american sports, bookmaker dosn't move the lines on soccer right away . I know for the fact if there is a game in Brazil or Argentina that kicks off @14:00 or later they will not move /adjust the odds till 10:00 am gameday. So if i spot something ,i have nothing to worry till 10:00 am . So i continue monitor pinny till 10:00am . Also i calc risk /probability .
Same with over / under , a specially with Argentina where they post the line @
2 o/u (most the games) ,well 2 is the push and some of this games have tremendous values.
Recently they had Borussia Dortmund -133 ,pinny already had them @-150
and when bookmaker moved/adjusted the line ,they moved it to -190 , for -1 they were paying +120 when pinny had them + 108 so i made 2 bets at MAX 500 each money line and AH -1 . FTBorussia Dortmund2 - 0Hamburger SV .

I actually was surprised that it took SBR this long to cut these parleys off .
I took them for $750 cash 9000 points (just in 2weeks)

and i did that before .

With parleys gone , you have to be more selective with your picks and make just 2-3-4 large wagers per week .

As Lou said they post Bookmakers odds and this odds are imported (i believe in real time ).
So if you find an angle just go ahead and beat bookmaker with real cash + they offer much more leagues then SBR do. Wagering 500points vs $500 cash makes a difference .

My 2cents .

**trixtrix** · 11-16-10, 11:48 AM

yea i should donate those pts to you, you mean right? lol, thx but i'll stay exactly where i am, you can keep that poorly concealed jelousy to yourself

**BigDaddy** · 11-16-10, 11:55 AM

no you should donate them to st judes.

why in the hell would i want them?

jealous of nothing

i just call it like i see it.

beat real books with kind of stuff. no need to stick it up sbr's ass when they give you the points to begin with

thats my point.

**trixtrix** · 11-16-10, 12:04 PM

lol, that is soooo lame and illogical, hey when you use a freeplay to beat a sportsbook out of money, make sure you donate it to charity.. since you know, they're "free" to begin with so no need to stick up their bums

obv i could not have known they would've taken down the whole system instead of simply disabling those type of parlays, so how could you blame me? that's irrational fear-mongering and striking out at the closest target.

as i said, sbr is free to put back the parlays w/ 50 max limits if they so inclined, and i promise i won't touch them. the ball was never in my court so blaming it on me is just ridiculous. let's blame the teaser winners for getting teaser prices slashed at bookmaker, yea that makes a lot of sense..