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I like the way BOS is doing business now. Nothing but positive for me for almost a year.
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350z- "At this moment is not "we", they are a new company. No one from the past is still there.
It is hard to digest, but it is the reality of the place today..
That is all I can say about them..
(not everybody is able to purchase the MVP books for $27.000.000)"Comment -
Once again the people that play there love BoS but the Assclowns that don't play there know more about them.Comment -
good thing that SBR doesnt listen to those shills, when making their ratings...Comment -
Once again mods of watchdog sites play there but they aren't a good book. LMAO Name one problem that's ever occured under the current management. Look into a book before you make ignorant statements.Comment -
It doesn't surprise me at all that the three stooges disagree with me.Comment -
I think that Shrink also plays there.Comment -
RX is no watchdog site lol... the mods there promote every shit book that pays them.
But of course, everyone should listen to stuff like "so what yeah they stiffed some people, but hey thats soo long ago and they are all very good people now! Give them a chance!".
I say **** them all, rogues are rogues.
They pay people now? GREAT! They understood the sportsbook basic rules, lets all play there! Forget Pinnacle & Co.!Comment -
Village Idiot- Players are the ones that love BoS. The only RX employee I quoted is Fishhead. BoS has 1200 Super Bowl props and huge bonuses for the Super Bowl. If you are playing a prop there's no reason not to look at BoS.Comment -
Village Idiot- How many books are as well funded as BoS?Comment -
yeah players like you love BoS...what a great help *lmao*
This is really funny, but on the other hand its kinda bad too - for the newbies that fall for this shit. AK posted at TOW that BetonStars is a solid book that never had any payout problems yesterday or so - i wonder why watchdog sites tolerate shit like that in their forums lol...OOPS! TOW is no real watchdog, damn i almost forgot.Comment -
I could care less about what AK thinks and that has nothing to do with me.
I know that BoS is a top book. You don't play there, you know nothing about the owners, you can't name one player that the current management has stiffed and you have no idea of their financial status.
I know I'm hoping for a miracle here but can you make one imtelligent reason on why posters shouldn't play there.
Odds that Quarm has an intelligent response.
Yes +800
No -1000Comment -
Quarm- Pull your head out of your ass and you can see what's been going on for the past 2 years. How the hell do you breath like that?Comment -
hmm let me think...because top books like pinny, oly etc. never stiffed players?
Cause i think its safer to trust a honest person, than a thief who was arrested for 10 years and now says "i did read a lot about god and stuff, im a good man now" ?
Odds that raiders gets paid by BoS for arguing with everyone who doesnt agree they are good: -10000
No no no...raiders is honest, and BoS is a top bookie now, guaranteed safety and quality: +8500Comment -
Quarm- I just cashed that NO ticket, thanks. If you are going to win at this game you need many outs. BoS has bets that Pinny doesn't have and better odds at times. The reason you lose is because you don't have enough outs. If you have BoS you'll greatly increase your odds of winning. It really doesn't matter if you want to donate week after week.Comment -
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Mods- I think I deleted all links but delete if I missed some.
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Raiders if you were consistant with your opinions you wouldn't have to scream. You take money now from tej Kholi's book and you know he is the biggest serial thief this industry has ever seen. So then when you try to make a point on BOS, or any other book, people have to ask themself is this Raiders the shill for Tej/Royal, RichCoast ect., or is this Raiders the guy who might just have some insight.
It would involve you turning your back on some free dirty money. But if you ever want to be seen with a clean and professional opinion you will have to stop shilling for the industry scum.Comment -
John- The only reason I'm screaming is that Mudcat had to join in and say that there are many stiff jobs. You know that the stiff job occured 8 years ago. You also know that Mudcat is lying and Quarm is just clueless.
I did take Royal on today. I'm not 100% sold on Royal. I know they will pay anyone that asks me for help but I also know that there's a good chance of slow pays. I'm not saying that Royal is a top book. I'm saying you will get paid.
BoS is a different animal. They are a top book and you know it. What happened 8 years ago has nothing to do with today.Comment -
I think it all comes down to your own personal "betting morality".
If you choose not to play there in solidarity with and support of the BW beard that got stiffed a few years back, then that's fine.
But if you base your decision on "What are my chances of getting paid and having few problems going into the future?", then they're probably worth a shot, as I think your chances of having any major problems in the future are slim if you're a $1,000 per game or less player.Comment -
Good post Hali.Comment -
Hali- I do agree with player solidarity but I take the ownership into consideration on this. I want no part of any book that APEX Robbie is involved in even if he goes in partners with a book that has a great record.
On the other hand if a new owner would have jumped in and bought APEX from Robbie I would consider playing there based on the owner and the time elapsed since the last no pay.Comment -
I concur 100% on what Raiders says about Royal, and I think that SBR has them appropriately rated. I've not seen Raiders say anything other than this about Royal since I've been here. Obviously, getting paid by Royal is like pulling teeth, but the fact that they do continuouly pay at least shows me they are making an attempt at legitimacy.Originally posted by raiders72001
As for BoS, I've not used them yet although I receive a continuous stream of promotion material from them and I suspect I will sign up soon. I don't see Raiders as "shilling" for them simply by opining that they should be upgraded.Comment -
good thing that raiders has enough weirdos on the forums who support his shitComment -
sharp post isetcapComment -
I do admit BOS has a lot of better odds than most sportbooks for underdogs better than Pinnacle that I have notice sometimes. I really did need those extra odds last week when I voided three times with a push. I am allways tempted to sign up with them however I really do not want the BS that surrounds them until BOS pays everyone in the past that they stiffed maybe then I will put some money with them.Originally posted by raiders72001Comment -
datek- I respect that opinion.Comment -
I disagree with Raiders in this matter...I think the C- is just the correct rating for them, till they prove we can trust them...
IMHO there are a few bookies from C- to C+ which are far better than them, such as:
BetAndWin C, Expekt C-, Gamebookers C+, Nordicbet C, Sportingbet C, BetByInternet C-,Comment -
If you're gambling just for the fun of it then having a few good books is more than enough.Originally posted by raiders72001
If you're investing in an attempt to earn a return, then you can never have enough good books.
I do feel that books should have to pay a price in terms of their rating based on their past. Even if everyone in management is completely new, there are reasons they chose to hold onto the
name they are using and they must take the good with the bad. I'm not so sure that the C- is an improper rating. Like I said, I have not used them. Having said that, the C- also does not scare me away from them because I know exactly why they have that rating and I feel well-appraised of their current situation.Comment -
Good thread.
You know you have the guys like JC who honestly belives that if you stiff someone in this business you are a stiff and never worthy of a decent grade.
BOS was run by a thug like many of the Costa Rican books were. This thug cheated and stiffed players and their present and future rating MUST consider that. But if they have improved then their SBR rating should reflect that.Comment -
If I felt a book—in this case the NASA or BetOnSports books—offered me higher reward than risk, I would play there. It doesn’t follow, however, that I believe they deserve a higher rating on a site like this.
I don’t think that’s hypocritical or inconsistent. Let me explain why.
These books have a long history of shady and sometimes blatantly dishonest behavior. Not just in the two most publicized cases from many years ago, but in many lesser cases—some of which hit the forums and some of which didn’t—they’ve buried unfair rules in their fine print, offered bizarre interpretations of rules to fit their purposes, lied about bonuses, slow paid, and occasionally no paid—in the most celebrated case flat out stiffing a customer of six figures. They’ve been the paradigm case of a so-called sh*t book.
And I don’t buy the defense of “Well, we don’t do that any more, and in fact we’ve even hired a bunch of new managers,” especially when it comes from website people taking their money to promote them. Let them first make good as best they can on the money they stole. You don’t leave the ranks of sh*t books by proclaiming “We’ve decided not to be a sh*t book any more, starting now” as if you can wipe the slate clean of past misdeeds.
Now, from the fact that I don’t think they deserve an upgrade, does it follow that I would never play at one of their books and would never recommend anyone else do so? Actually no. For whereas normally you “punish” an establishment by withholding your business from it, in the case of a sportsbook where you are playing because your expected value is positive, you actually “punish” it precisely the opposite way.
A customer who stands to win more than he loses isn’t doing a sportsbook any favors by giving it his business.
So my hope would be that sharps, bonus whores, etc. who are playing with positive expected value use the BetOnSports books if the rewards happen to outweigh the risks (which, given what people are saying, maybe they do at this point.) But I don’t think a sh*t book deserves the customers they want, the customers they stand to make money off of. I’d much rather see “recreational” players (i.e., customers that bet at negative expected value long term) go to Olympic, WSEX and the various honorable, top of the line books that deserve the profits that recreational players bring.
Sites like this obviously influence as many or more “recreational” players as sharps, thus I don’t like to see such a site do anything to encourage business for an operation like BetOnSports.
If you’re a recreational player that manages to bring your skills up to where you shift into the sharp category, then by all means take money from any book you want, including BetOnSports. But as long as you’re a net donator to sportsbooks, please make your donation to the honorable books that are actually assets to the industry.
(I understand that if losing players are discouraged from playing at the less honorable books, it can mean those books fail and whatever moneymaking opportunities there were for sharps there disappear with them, but I’m fine with that. If some third-tier book can no longer offer me opportunities where the risk/reward is in my favor because they no longer rip off enough suckers to do so, then so be it. I can live without them.)Comment -
This is not TLD's first rodeo. That's a very strong post on BetOnSports.
TLD's advice to "punish" a book like BOS should be taken carefully. TLD is probably sharp enough to take advantage of opportunities such as soft lines, slow lines, grinding a bonus ect. But for the rest of us mere mortals be careful.Comment -
Here's the meat of the post. If you want to win play at BoS. If you know you are going to lose and don't even want to try to win then play only at Pinny, Oly and/or CRIS. Personally, I'll go for the win.If you’re a recreational player that manages to bring your skills up to where you shift into the sharp category, then by all means take money from any book you want, including BetOnSports. But as long as you’re a net donator to sportsbooks, please make your donation to the honorable books that are actually assets to the industry.Comment -
It was a strong post by TLD. Many of his points go way back in time under different management. As far as a rating goes, there's no way that BoS deserves a C- rating. The only fault that I've recently seen is the 50/50 rule. Since this rule doesn't apply to me I don't even know if it's exists and if it does exist can someone tell me the ruling if you do play more than 50% props.Comment -
Well no, if I had meant “Play at BetOnSports if you prefer to win and play at Olympic if you prefer to lose” I would have said that.
What I did say, and what I do mean, is if you’re in the fraction of 1% of players who consistently bet only when they have a positive expected value, and if you can find a bet at a sh*t book like BetOnSports that has positive expected value (remembering to factor in the risk of being stiffed or otherwise mistreated), then it’s fine to have BetOnSports as one of your books. (The second “if” is a particularly big one. I don’t play at any of that family at books at present and don’t know that I will in the future, precisely because I’m not yet convinced the reward outweighs the risk.)
Furthermore, if you own and/or are shilling on a site that does not cater exclusively to such players, then by taking money to steer the general public to BetOnSports you’re doing a disservice to your readers and the industry.Comment -
How many books are as financially sound as BoS? What problems have occured since the change of management?Comment
