Mathy is sharp

ronald · 08-09-10, 11:55 AM

Are we to believe that Mathy did not hedge the other side? Mathy is not that dumb.

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 11:58 AM

or maybe that mathy spent 14k to get 8k in winning tickets..

but we only see the winners. there must be some losers too.. where are the losing tickets..

jjgold · 08-09-10, 12:05 PM

Mathy what are you up to?

SlickFazzer · 08-09-10, 12:08 PM

Mathy has the talent go gamble professionally. An underrated expert in small volume betting sports.

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by ronald

Are we to believe that Mathy did not hedge the other side? Mathy is not that dumb.

ronald how do you hedge a tie according to Pro-Line rules (any game that reaches extra innings or ends in a 1 run differential)? ronald... you have a lot to learn. Sometimes I think you're scared of money.

Nicky, you're right, I have a big stack of losing tickets and there's nothing I can do to prove that the winnings are larger than the losses. Nicky when are you going to start booking on the forum again? I am looking forward to busting you again.

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 12:12 PM

ronald hedging is almost always -EV

SlickFazzer · 08-09-10, 12:16 PM

In the past Mathy has put out some analysis of chess match-ups that were the best
in the industry.

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

Nicky when are you going to start booking on the forum again? I am looking forward to busting you again.

mathy buddy, you won a total of 11$ off me.. mathy, i bet 15k a game..

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 12:24 PM

Nicky,

I would love to bet real cash on your MLB props.

15k? Is that 8k on one side and 7k on the other, or 9 and 6, etc.?

rfr3sh · 08-09-10, 12:29 PM

mathy give me a winner guy

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by rfr3sh

mathy give me a winner guy

Order some sports betting books from Amazon

rfr3sh · 08-09-10, 12:37 PM

mathy I have 1 lol...mathy what are you doing today lets go to CNE

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 12:43 PM

refresh, last time I was there I got enough of the old chinese crowd to last me a lifetime

rfr3sh · 08-09-10, 12:46 PM

mathy guy there is no e inbetween rf in my name

Holtgetsback · 08-09-10, 12:46 PM

was a nice game to hedge.....

mathy what did you make on that game???? $150 big ones?????

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 12:56 PM

mathy, i don't know your age or how old you are now.. but today is not the right time to play pro line anymore.. back in the early 90's.. pro line used to make the 7 day schedule of NHL and NBA games and did not move them. you'd have games like UTAH total 221.5.. and real total was 191.. they had like 9 games off by 15 pts or more.. we'd take those 9 games and box them all over.. i did ok with that.. i had friends that made half a million on this.. then it was gone.. PRO LINE had no clue back then.

Here in Quebec, we have mise o jeu.. i swear to god, back in the early 90's.. it was similar.. not as good as PRO LINE of course... but they'd put up cubs totals up like 7.5 the day before.. and the wind would be gusting out and total is 16.5 by game time. i'd box them all with cubs ov 7.5 with like 9 other games that were off.. all i had to do was win cubs ov and i do well.. i was playing like 7k a day in tickets.. 70x $100 parlays.. (which is not really that much) all with cubs ov 7.5..this happened very often....and game would end 11-8...this lasted for about 2 summers. then they took cubs games all off the board since.. I can say that i was the reason Mise O jeu stopped taking cubs totals.. now that lottery sucks.. not worth it anymore.. if a game is off by 1 pt in nba, they take game off the board.

Those were the days my friend.. when no one really knew anything about booking.. now everyone is well informed.. now lotteries have hardly anymore value to even take the time to look at..

statnerds · 08-09-10, 01:24 PM

it has been my experience that the sharpest guys are always the ones claiming so. the ones winning the most money are the ones that say they do...

now this Nicky guy on the other hand...

years ago it was my privilege to sit at a bar with Ed and Billy, two small time pros, on several Sundays during NFL. taught me many things. one that always stuck with me was:

the sharp bettor never reveals what he played, what he won, what he lost. everything close to the vest. if you want to be a pro, start by fukking acting like one.

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by statnerds

it has been my experience that the sharpest guys are always the ones claiming so. the ones winning the most money are the ones that say they do...

now this Nicky guy on the other hand...

years ago it was my privilege to sit at a bar with Ed and Billy, two small time pros, on several Sundays during NFL. taught me many things. one that always stuck with me was:

the sharp bettor never reveals what he played, what he won, what he lost. everything close to the vest. if you want to be a pro, start by fukking acting like one.

Or throw $200 into the Greek and become a SBR certified pro

Nicky you're right. And nicky you could say the same thing about bonuses and crappy lines offshore 5-6 years ago, yet you're still betting. Just because the edge isn't as big as it was before doesn't mean the lower edge isn't worth going after.

Mr Windy City · 08-09-10, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by statnerds

it has been my experience that the sharpest guys are always the ones claiming so. the ones winning the most money are the ones that say they do...

now this Nicky guy on the other hand...

years ago it was my privilege to sit at a bar with Ed and Billy, two small time pros, on several Sundays during NFL. taught me many things. one that always stuck with me was:

the sharp bettor never reveals what he played, what he won, what he lost. everything close to the vest. if you want to be a pro, start by fukking acting like one.

solid post right here.

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by statnerds

it has been my experience that the sharpest guys are always the ones claiming so. the ones winning the most money are the ones that say they do...

now this Nicky guy on the other hand...

years ago it was my privilege to sit at a bar with Ed and Billy, two small time pros, on several Sundays during NFL. taught me many things. one that always stuck with me was:

the sharp bettor never reveals what he played, what he won, what he lost. everything close to the vest. if you want to be a pro, start by fukking acting like one.

statter, i read your post 7x and i still dont have a clue what the hell you are talking about... were you just bashing me??

betplom · 08-09-10, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

statter, i read your post 7x and i still dont have a clue what the hell you are talking about... were you just bashing me??

I believe he's saying you are not a pro.

Nicky, if you are down lifetime from gambling you can't be considered a pro, right?

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by betplom

I believe he's saying you are not a pro.

Nicky, if you are down lifetime from gambling you can't be considered a pro, right?

then he's right. i am no pro.. i am a loser. i lose over 100k in gambling each year.. i cannot win. i keep sending money to books each week and never collect.

just ask Betonline how much of a loser i am.. they love me there. i swear i have played there for 8 months, have deposited welllllllllllllllllllllll over 6 figures and i have yet to make a withdrawal once. my acct is close to 0 again there.. they love me there. i can hear them in the background laughing at me when i call there.. i have made that office what it is today. they renovated the whole office and added a new floor on acct of me. when the employees go for a piss there, they enjoy themselves more on acct of me..

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

then he's right. i am no pro.. i am a loser. i lose over 100k in gambling each year.. i cannot win. i keep sending money to books each week and never collect.

just ask Betonline how much of a loser i am.. they love me there. i swear i have played there for 8 months, have deposited welllllllllllllllllllllll over 6 figures and i have yet to make a withdrawal once. my acct is close to 0 again there.. they love me there. i can hear them in the background laughing at me when i call there.. i have made that office what it is today. they renovated the whole office and added a new floor on acct of me. when the employees go for a piss there, they enjoy themselves more on acct of me..

For those of you not in the know, Nicky is being extremely sarcastic here...

MonkeyF0cker · 08-09-10, 03:49 PM

Nicky's book does have the best lines in the world. I'll give him that.

Nothing like giving 20%+ edges to posters.

forsberg21 · 08-09-10, 03:53 PM

Mathy, what's your rationale for choosing ties? What do you look for to get an edge?

betplom · 08-09-10, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

For those of you not in the know, Nicky is being extremely sarcastic here...

Mathy, you're as bright as a 15 watt fukking lightbulb.

PS: When someone says "I swear" they mean "they lie"

I swear = I lie.

forsberg21 · 08-09-10, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

mathy, i don't know your age or how old you are now.. but today is not the right time to play pro line anymore.. back in the early 90's.. pro line used to make the 7 day schedule of NHL and NBA games and did not move them. you'd have games like UTAH total 221.5.. and real total was 191.. they had like 9 games off by 15 pts or more.. we'd take those 9 games and box them all over.. i did ok with that.. i had friends that made half a million on this.. then it was gone.. PRO LINE had no clue back then. Here in Quebec, we have mise o jeu.. i swear to god, back in the early 90's.. it was similar.. not as good as PRO LINE of course... but they'd put up cubs totals up like 7.5 the day before.. and the wind would be gusting out and total is 16.5 by game time. i'd box them all with cubs ov 7.5 with like 9 other games that were off.. all i had to do was win cubs ov and i do well.. i was playing like 7k a day in tickets.. 70x $100 parlays.. (which is not really that much) all with cubs ov 7.5..this happened very often....and game would end 11-8...this lasted for about 2 summers. then they took cubs games all off the board since.. I can say that i was the reason Mise O jeu stopped taking cubs totals.. now that lottery sucks.. not worth it anymore.. if a game is off by 1 pt in nba, they take game off the board. Those were the days my friend.. when no one really knew anything about booking.. now everyone is well informed.. now lotteries have hardly anymore value to even take the time to look at..

Nicky, remember that time when they didn't take into account the time zone difference on European soccer games? The games would be over and people were throwing as much money as they could on the results.

Nicky Santoro · 08-09-10, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by forsberg21

Nicky, remember that time when they didn't take into account the time zone difference on European soccer games? The games would be over and people were throwing as much money as they could on the results.

yes i do remember that..

mathy, i am not sarcastic..i swear i am down well over six figures at betonline. they do have great lines, but i just can't beat them if my life depended on it.

i spoke to the big head there last week named J.R. go ask him about me.. he'll tell you how much he loves me.. he even offered me a free all expense paid trip to C.R. in the nicest suite including a massage and a foot rub..

betonline is loving the nicky santoro currency..

Goat Milk · 08-09-10, 05:33 PM

but if you lost you wouldn't have posted the tickets?

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 06:20 PM

Goat, people asked me to post the tickets so I did. As others have said I could have lost $100k before that.

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by forsberg21

Mathy, what's your rationale for choosing ties? What do you look for to get an edge?

Evenly matched teams with low totals = higher chance of tie

sickler · 08-09-10, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

ronald how do you hedge a tie according to Pro-Line rules (any game that reaches extra innings or ends in a 1 run differential)? ronald... you have a lot to learn. Sometimes I think you're scared of money.

Nicky, you're right, I have a big stack of losing tickets and there's nothing I can do to prove that the winnings are larger than the losses. Nicky when are you going to start booking on the forum again? I am looking forward to busting you again.

Nice hit.

I've done the same thing, mixing it up so there's lots of losers with the winners. Two of three rotations.

Proline has tightened up so much over the years though, giving lousier odds and taking games off the board, can't pull a decent profit from them long term anymore. Nicky's right, the golden years are gone...

biggie12 · 08-09-10, 06:38 PM

This thread made me smile thanks

mathdotcom · 08-09-10, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by sickler

Nice hit.

I've done the same thing, mixing it up so there's lots of losers with the winners. Two of three rotations.

Proline has tightened up so much over the years though, giving lousier odds and taking games off the board, can't pull a decent profit from them long term anymore. Nicky's right, the golden years are gone...

There were just two types of tickets, one was Phillies to tie and one was Phillies to win. There was an edge to both. Normally I buy a bunch of tickets of the same plays. Have to maximize EV - if you mix in losers just to increase your chances of hitting you won't make anything in the long run.